Myths and Half-Truths: An In-Depth Look at Michigan's Recruiting Process from someone in the Industry

Submitted by umgoblue11 on January 13th, 2020 at 12:28 PM

I’ve been waiting to do this diary till the offseason to fill the gap and to write something a little bit more substantial. I have experience in the college and pro football ranks, and this has given me the ability to look under the hood of college football.

These experiences have led to me get to know players, coaches, and support staff. And because I know them I’ve gotten to hear the unfiltered version—there are some reporters that get the scoop, but they usually get the sanitized version. All of this is to say I am not an insider, nor do I pretend to be one. I view an insider like Sam Webb or others to be the ones to hear it first or to break details—my knowledge is different, I am not going to be able to tell you who was taking reps at practice, but it’s something I still think the Mgo faithful would find interesting to hear. For those who care, my background has been vetted by Seth: https://mgoblog.com/content/fall-football-bits-just-wanted-you-face-me-so-she-could-get-behind-you

If you have any questions or myths or any other specific musings on recruitments you want me to answer, post below and I will respond. We can use this diary post as a sort of Q&A/AMA if you'd like.

The Sabanization of Recruiting

I wanted to tackle the idea of Michigan’s recruiting since comments made by Wiltfong and after signing day to shed some light on what exactly goes down in recruiting. I will say as I have in other posts that his comments were far off base, and it reeked more of negative recruiting that Michigan always must deal with.

To give folks some history, recruiting departments exploded after Nick Saban brought the pro model of scouting to the college ranks. You can read some articles on it, but the gist is that Saban brought in a huge support staff to focus on recruiting. Saban has a very specific set of characteristics he recruits for—look at the Alabama DL and you can see that the heights/weights are all very similar. He doesn’t really make exceptions as that is the process he’s always talking about.

One of these key guys in this process was Ed Marinowitz; he came from that world and then left to go to the pros in scouting and then came back. He’s now working for CAA as an agent for coaches. Saban had an army of young college kids and recent grads working crazy hours to help break-down film and act as quasi-scouts. A lot of the current recruiting departments are built off this model because those guys have fanned out all over the country. Look at the top recruiting rankings and you will see UGA, A&M, Oregon, etc. all led by former Saban disciples. It’s because they have taken his system and applied it to their schools.

Michigan’s Recruiting Department

Almost every big school has a player personnel department that consists of student interns, football staffers, and is led by a Director of Player Personnel. Michigan has this run by Sean McGee and Tom Gamble. Tom Gamble is a former GM and has more experience identifying talent than anyone else in the country. Sean McGee is one of the most respected guys in the industry and his experience in the Naval Academy serve him well for this role in keeping everything organized. Underneath that is the Director of Recruiting Matt Dudek, who’s title I think causes some fans to misunderstand his role and creates some angst amongst fans when we don’t sign a class full of 4/5 stars. He is not the only guy in charge of recruiting. That is a team-effort from Sean and Tom and Matt and other support staff. What he really focuses on is contacting guys and being the point-person anytime they are on campus. By all accounts he is very good at this—he is not setting Michigan’s recruiting board and deciding who to target. He gets marching orders and does his best to sell them when they get on campus. There are also a few other recruiting staffers who help on campus and in the ID’ing process of the prospects.

The department's job is to sift through thousands of players and cut-up films for the coaching staffs to look at. Think of it as a funnel-- thousands of names go in and only a few hundred names come out. Coaches then receive the cut-ups and evaluate players; from there only a dozen or so may remain that formulates their recruiting board. They do this throughout the season, hence why Michigan's board is consistently shifting, as there are different outputs always being added.

Here’s where I think the big difference in Michigan’s approach is—Michigan relies heavily on their assistant coaches to identify talent and recruit. You have seen a seismic shift in Harbaugh’s first staff to now, because I think he realized how important to have excellent coaches AND recruiters. A lot of staffs have a bunch of deadweight recruiters who don’t even look at film or hate the whole having to have constant contact with recruits. Michigan does not have that deadweight anymore.

Also, look to the age and demographic shift in Michigan’s coaching staff from older NFL-style coaches to younger, dynamic coaches who can relate to the kids and their backgrounds. What I think Wiltfong was trying to say is that Harbaugh leans more on his assistants to do this heavy lifting, whereas other staffs they have people in place to do most of the contacting and then have the assistants focus mostly on closing the deal.

Technology in Recruiting

If you walk around the coaching convention, you’re going to be bombarded by hundreds of companies that have software or tech that they are trying to sell to college staffs. I can’t tell you the efficacy of 99% of it, but I can tell you that most staffs have programs and use 3rd party folks to help cull the lists of players down. A big one that's come out in the past few years uses track times and data to help project kids and their potential I know that Michigan uses this one and focuses heavily on verified track times. Why? Because they are standardized across the nation unlike unreliable camp laser times, and they provide a great historical context. If guys are running sub 10.6 100M dash you know for a fact that dude is fast. I would imagine that with Gattis you are going to see many of our receivers as 10.6 guys. Other track data is also very useful, shot-put and discus for lineman to hurdles and long jump for other defensive players.

Other apps that I know are being used are daily alerts for when certain kids they ID’d get offered. This is usually the signal to either go back and re-look at a prospect or to have your staff put an eval together of him. OSU/PSU track every offer and every contact that we put out—they want to see who we are going after and in most cases will offer a kid after we do. A big change from the previous years is that Michigan is one of the first to offer major prospects, something that was not the case 5 years ago. Guys like Jalen Mayfield and Matt Hibner this year were guys that Michigan ID’d early before they were highly rated. Slight side note: Iowa State under Matt Campbell has one of the best recruiting departments. Go back and look at when they offer kids—it’s insane how many first offers they were to guys before they blew up.

What Happens After an Evaluation Happens?

After the recruiting department culls the list based on all those factors, the coaches review the film and ID the kids that should be offered the group comes together to decide who goes on the board and where they prioritize the recruits.

Here's the portion that fans don't see because not every offer means that they are a target of the staff. After that list is whittled down there is still a multitude of factors that go into a whether Michigan actively recruits the kid. Unfortunately, a lot of kids get dinged because of grades, Michigan has a staff with Claiborne Greene that if they like the prospect and he just needs to improve scores and is a good kid will work with them to give them advice and guidance. That's why sometimes there is the gray area of is a kid a take or not comes in. Ideally, you don't want to take a kid if he still has a lot of work in the classroom because if he doesn't do the work he has to de-commit and all the negative backlash that comes with it. Then they have due diligence on the kid's background. They look through social media and talk to HS coaching staffs. This portion dings another portion of the recruiting board, as coaches don't want to take risks on a kid if there are red flags in their past and get those red flags get brought to campus. This is where someone like MSU got into deep trouble for looking past these red flags to take certain kids.

The last portion and this is always the most heated topic amongst Michigan fans is there is a large portion of Michigan’s board that we will not pursue further-- we are not holier than though and aren’t this shining beacon and bastion of morals and integrity, but flat out if a kid or his family or handler is looking for “assurances or things of that ilk” we won’t play that game. I know this for a fact and have been told of at least a dozen of these cases from people directly involved. This post isn’t meant to detail that side of recruiting, but I can always answer questions below.

Recruiting Rankings and their Impact

For Michigan and most staffs, the answer is zilch; not even one iota. They trust their evals more than recruiting sites because they have more data and information than they do. Some coaching staffs like to use it for PR, or a scorecard, and some coaches have bonuses in their contract. Some use it as a tool to show how awesome they are to fans and keep that reputation of being a great recruiter *cough James Franklin*.

At a staff like Alabama it is such a machine that they know damn well that when they offer a kid that recruiting services will automatically bump them up. Saban doesn't care about how a recruiting service ranks a kid because if he commits to Bama, he knows they're going to almost automatically become a 4-star.

Now all of this is to say that recruiting services do generally hit on the 5-star guys because almost anyone can pick out a kid with that type of talent. I would say the best indicator of how well Michigan’s class is doing, is by how many of the kids you landed were being courted heavily by any of the Top-10 (Alabama, Auburn, A&M, UGA, Clemson, OSU, Penn State, Notre Dame, Texas, etc.). This will change based on regionality, but a guy like Braiden McGregor is a great example. Clemson, Notre Dame, and OSU all really wanted him and was a huge recruiting win for Michigan.

Today's recruiting is very different from the past decade. It's much harder for players to fall through the cracks nowadays, but it still happens. Back in the day, Tom Lemming would be a great resource because he would be talking to tons of HS coaches and know what players were getting talked up and what ones are flying under the radar. Now every program has a staff in place full of technology that has made them into professional scouting departments.

Comments

umgoblue11

January 14th, 2020 at 12:34 PM ^

I also have to mention that weather plays a huge role in recruiting. The southern schools fought very hard to keep the official visits in the fall and winter. They don't want kids up from GA to see that the weather is lovely in April and May. You'd be surprised how much that gets talked up to by coaches. Oh you don't want to go play up there, it's freezing and snowy all the time and you'll be miserable. Some coaches will send pics of the weather to recruits before they visit another northern school and say oh look you could be in this instead of the snow.

Heard it directly from Peyton Manning himself that if he would've went to his OV in Michigan in the spring/summer he may have gone there. He LOVED Michigan but he hated the weather. It was his number two school behind UT. Cutcliffe was instrumental in signing him and his brother.

Rafiki

January 14th, 2020 at 1:43 PM ^

Part of why Im still on the Harbaugh train for at least 2 more years is that at the end of every season he’s attempted to address the issues that we can all see. He hasn’t always done well (adding Frey to hep Drevno or keeping Pep when Drevno left) but he’s made some great changes (Brown, Gattis). So what changes do you think he should make with recruiting going into the offseason as what changes do you think he’s likely to make?

umgoblue11

January 14th, 2020 at 2:22 PM ^

I think the biggest takeaway is that recruiting rankings aren't really that useful. Anyone on this blog can look at the first 10 seconds of a kid's film and determine that he's one of the best players. Go look back at Stingley, go look this year at Smalls or Flowe or Ricks this year. They're obvious 5-star talents. If you can point out to me any recruiting analysts that hit on guys that aren't the 5-star and rank them higher than I'd put more credence into them. These analysts are more information guys they have sources and talk to the kids and coaches. To my knowledge no staff has hired any of these guys to join their recruiting departments.

If Michigan isn't recruiting a top guy, especially in state, there is a very specific reason for that. It's not us dropping the ball or not recruiting. There's an example of a talented in-state kid that every program wanted to take, but there were some red-flags and he went out of state. Everyone was up in arms about it and thought we dropped the ball when the kid was never an option for us. And a few analysts said the same because they had no idea about the red flags and were only hearing it from the kid.

energyblue1

January 15th, 2020 at 8:52 AM ^

I agree to a point.  On the top 25-50 players I believe it's obvious and most everyone can immediately identify them.  The next 50-300 are also very talented and you can see that as well on film and measurables of size/strength/speed and athleticism.  After that it gets much more difficult as they are missing more traits that require projection and that imho is where the evaluation becomes even more important.  Hence the Bo phrase was 1/3 was what you expected, 1/3 better and 1/3 not as good as you expected. 

This year for instance Bama, I wasn't impressed with them, just wasn't.  Their lines weren't as good, Tua made up for a lot of ill's on that team.  Yet unquestionably they have dominated recruiting like no other and they have a set system as we all know in recruiting, s&c, practice all for development.  I actually felt leaving the game we are physically getting where we need to be and if we get our recruiting balanced and development of a qb we are where they are and in some ways ahead.  I heard the bama  fans saying they were missing two key players, but on a defense that wasn't spectacular to begin with and we were missing players as well.  It wasn't only one team without players.  Right direction.  Now we need to be ahead of the game against ohio.....

And for the love of god, land dominant interior defenders.  Payne is instate, go get him. 

umgoblue11

January 14th, 2020 at 2:45 PM ^

I'm surprised this question hasn't been asked. What programs do the best job of recruiting or are the most respected by their peers. And which are the ones that they have no idea what's going on.

Most Respected

1. South Carolina

2. Washington

Most Confused

1. UCLA.....

2. Arizona

umgoblue11

January 15th, 2020 at 9:11 AM ^

Muschamp is a machine-- all he cares about is football. He doesn't have any hobbies. Doesn't ever take time off so he's built a really solid foundation there. Most SEC schools that go against them respect the hell outta what he's built and they've ID'd some really under the radar players. Obviously, he is a Saban disciple so he's replicated that model and has a huge staff of talented young guys.

umgoblue11

January 15th, 2020 at 9:18 AM ^

Here's the thing with Kelly-- his program is built on total control and "science". He tracks players' sleep, test their urine, and is generally super invasive in his approach. That stuff won't work with elite players just like it didn't work in the NFL. So he needs his guys and will only recruit his guys. Chase Young could walk through those doors and say Coach I want to play for you, but if Kelly doesn't like his vibe he'll tell him to kick rocks. It's crazy and not really conducive to building a program if all you ever take is guys vibe with. Imagine Harbaugh telling Dax Hill after he decommitted that we're good we don't want you anymore and that's what you get with Kelly.

Alumnus93

January 14th, 2020 at 3:38 PM ^

Here is a question for you....

I've read that Michigan historically did excellent in recruiting because of their famed camp, that the best players nationally would try to attend...then when Nike decided to do one,  ours slipped and we did not keep pace... maybe it was our resting on laurels, and not going all out and trying to compete with this Nike camp, that let us slide...   I'm talking from no knowledge, just what I heard....    what is your view on us slipping because our camp lost to the Nike camp?

umgoblue11

January 14th, 2020 at 3:50 PM ^

I went to that camp back in the day and man was that something. I don't know how many young backs were broken from trying to pick up Gittleson's stone. Don't forget his ideas that if you want to gain weight as a lineman to make sure to eat a pizza before bed.

Could it have played a part? Sure, I mean the allure of that camp for Michigan was getting kids from an early age up to train and want to be a Michigan player. But with the way the rules have gone over the past few years they have taken the power from the colleges and forced kids to go to these Rivals, UA, 247, Nike, Adidas camps to get the visibility. I think it's a shame. 

JFW

January 16th, 2020 at 11:38 AM ^

Gittleson. I went to a camp in '88 I think and it was super hot. He comes in and looks at us and says 'You think its hot? Yeah? Not nearly as hot as the three tours I did in Vietnam'.

He also had two guys from rival schools hold weights out in front of them while looking at each other. It was hysterical. 

umgoblue11

January 15th, 2020 at 9:21 AM ^

Touched on it above but the guys that left for the NFL (not Wheatley) and Drevno. I don't want to pile on a guy like Drevno, but when you hear some of the stories of his lack of attention to detail in recruiting it's a little frustrating. And now he's at USC doing the exact same thing--it's inexplicable to not have 3-4 highly rated guys when you're at USC.

MonkeyMan

January 14th, 2020 at 8:21 PM ^

I'm probably in too late to get an answer to these questions but I'll try anyway:

1. How does Wisconsin do so well w/o classes that are ranked nearly as high as OSU/UM?

2. Why do some coaches (like Mike Leach) ALWAYS get great QB's?

3. Can a team (like UM) get a reputation for not "developing" great recruits? Is this used in negative recruiting by rivals?

4. Does the trip to Rio matter much in a recruiting pitch?

5. How big is playing time to a recruit?

6. Do players really feel committed to one school anymore?

thanks (if you get the chance)

umgoblue11

January 15th, 2020 at 9:49 AM ^

1. Their culture is so impressive. They are going to recruit the biggest and baddest linemen and running backs. Look at what they've put in the league. They know what they are and sometimes that leads to a Rosebowl and some down years it's 9 wins. OL rankings are irrelevant IMO, if Wisco wants a guy so would I.

2. Leach is all about the system. None of his QB's have done a whole lot after (maybe besides Minshew and that's still TBD). He stresses literally 1 read on every play. It makes it so easy that all the QB has to focus on is throwing it into open space. So it's more his system and not the QB. But the issue with his system is that it's super easy to gameplan for-- you just have to out-execute them.

3.Yes and yes. Think you saw that playbook being used against us with Theo. We talk about our great TE play, but haven't had guys in the league in a long while do anything (so sad for Jake Butt and his injuries). That was hammered home to Theo when you can point to Gesicki and Jesse James.

4. For sure it's a major part of developing and enriching their experiences. Come here and we're going to give you 4 experiences that no other program is doing. Lots of families love this.

5. QB it's massive. They are always looking at depth charts. Linemen not so much. And the other positions it's a mixed bag. 

6. I think all you have to do to see how much Michigan players love Michigan is to see how much they post and still care about and are connected to the program. Michigan is a special place and really feel like it's a 40 year decision not a 4 year one.

4th phase

January 14th, 2020 at 9:21 PM ^

If you’re still answering questions here’s another one. What are your thoughts on Tank Wright? People seems down on him based on the comments on the UV. Seems like a hire that would be made solely for recruiting purposes.

umgoblue11

January 15th, 2020 at 9:08 AM ^

LSU hired a guy named Meatball that had a very similar profile to Tank. He's one of their best recruiters, before they moved him after he tore both acl's playing pickup basketball. He'll be back coaching this year. This hire needs to be:

1. Big-Time Recruiter

2. From the South or have ties there

3. Young and willing to stay on staff for a minimum of 3 years

He seems to check off all of those boxes. And if he's as beloved as I hear he is then I have no doubt that we're going to be talking about him as a crucial part of our staff next year. Plus, there's been other schools that have offered him a raise and title bump, so you know he's loyal to this staff.

4th phase

January 15th, 2020 at 11:19 AM ^

Yeah thats what I said in a comment in UV. He's really young, from Memphis and played at Arkansas, and he had a cup of coffee in the NFL. Interesting a requirement is willing to stay for 3 years, but makes sense based on your OP. 

 

So LSU hired a guy, he tore his ACLs so they kicked him off the staff and got a replacement, but now are bringing him back on? That's an interesting situation. Whats happening to the guy who had to fill in for just 1 year?

bronxblue

January 15th, 2020 at 9:54 AM ^

Great stuff.  Thanks for sharing.

Do you think the changes to NIL rights will functionally change certain schools and their ability to recruit?  Not that I think it would fundamentally change how elite schools recruit, but if there are guys Michigan won't pursue because they are asking for some under-the-table compensation, could this change the calculus?  It's obvious there are places Michigan can and should invest more heavily (the A/V stuff, larger support staff, etc.), but there's always a limited pool of potential recruits and if you're swearing off even a small percentage of them from the jump (beyond various other reasons) because of money that does hurt. 

bronxblue

January 15th, 2020 at 10:35 AM ^

Great stuff.  Thanks for sharing.

Do you think the changes to NIL rights will functionally change certain schools and their ability to recruit?  Not that I think it would fundamentally change how elite schools recruit, but if there are guys Michigan won't pursue because they are asking for some under-the-table compensation, could this change the calculus?  It's obvious there are places Michigan can and should invest more heavily (the A/V stuff, larger support staff, etc.), but there's always a limited pool of potential recruits and if you're swearing off even a small percentage of them from the jump (beyond various other reasons) because of money that does hurt. 

Section1

January 15th, 2020 at 3:25 PM ^

People need to listen to the latest Allen Trieu Steve Wiltfong podcast if you think Harbaugh doesn't need to step it up on the recruiting trail. Also said UM needs more guys in their recruiting department to help out. 

Teach_Coach_GoBlue

January 15th, 2020 at 4:34 PM ^

Yes! This is true. There's a lot of talk in my circle about if schools would start withdrawing from the MHSAA instead of just falling in line because "it's always been this way"

 

Edit: Not where I thought my reply was going to end up. *Sigh*

ChicagoBigHouse

January 16th, 2020 at 5:43 AM ^

How does it work with a player like Mustapha Muhammad who comes in highly ranked, at a position of need, and then seemingly transfers out before he has an opportunity to develop/contribute. How does the staff deal with these types of players?  Do they try to re recruit them to stay?

energyblue1

January 17th, 2020 at 8:52 AM ^

I always thought those guys were bad fit culturally, too far from home and what they like.  It's one reason in the transfer portal era the recruiting base needs to be in state and regional then reach out nationally for the big timers.  Keep the connections and always recruit the elites.  But a 3* lower rated 4* from in state or regional foot print should be the take over the recruit from another area when all things are equal or close imo.  My bigger thing is eval who has the higher ceiling and take that player, esp if they are closer to home. 

energyblue1

January 17th, 2020 at 8:52 AM ^

I always thought those guys were bad fit culturally, too far from home and what they like.  It's one reason in the transfer portal era the recruiting base needs to be in state and regional then reach out nationally for the big timers.  Keep the connections and always recruit the elites.  But a 3* lower rated 4* from in state or regional foot print should be the take over the recruit from another area when all things are equal or close imo.  My bigger thing is eval who has the higher ceiling and take that player, esp if they are closer to home. 

Gucci Mane

January 17th, 2020 at 2:24 PM ^

How would I go about getting a job in the uofm football recruiting staff ? Or anything related to the team ? 
I’m currently a uofm student. I have no specific qualifications for this. I’m thinking more of a short term job than career, but I wouldn’t rule anything out. 

WestSider

January 17th, 2020 at 2:45 PM ^

Aside from the few ass kickings UM has taken, why does it seem like we play football in halves? In other words, the UM teams under Bo and Carr seemed to get stronger in the second halves. Harbaugh's teams seem to surge in one half and lag in the other. Seems that way at least. Maybe I'm not seeing it clearly, but the lack of consistency is maddening.