Gattis Head Coaching Candidacy
I saw things with the Virginia Head Coaching position have taken a turn for the worse with hiring Clemson's OC to be the new head coach. Now its sounding like Gattis is getting some momentum with Virginia in their search. Anyone with knowledge of the situation?
December 9th, 2021 at 3:34 PM ^
He gone.
December 9th, 2021 at 3:37 PM ^
I think Gattis rides it out at Michigan for 1-2 more years and waits for a bigger HC job to open up.
Wouldn't blame him if he left though.
December 9th, 2021 at 4:54 PM ^
This would be the smart thing for Coach Gattis to do. You don't want that smoke until you are ready for it and he simply doesn't have enough experience yet.
December 9th, 2021 at 6:00 PM ^
I think it's probably more about getting a better job than UVA, if he wants to ride it out. He should have an amazing offense next year at Michigan so he could improve his stock a bit more.
December 9th, 2021 at 8:05 PM ^
Next year's offense has so many returning players it would be insane to leave now.
December 9th, 2021 at 3:57 PM ^
Here's the 247 link. Seems like something is up with that school.
December 9th, 2021 at 8:54 PM ^
Tony Elliott told a Clemson site (and this is not a "source", it's a Clemson site saying "we talked to Tony Elliott and this is his quote") that he's currently deciding between UVA, Duke, and staying put.
In other words, he's probably deciding between UVA and staying put.
Gattis may be something of a fallback in case Elliott stays put, but Elliott falling through isn't a done thing yet. I think we'll know tomorrow.
December 9th, 2021 at 3:37 PM ^
UVA's coach left out of nowhere and they've now identified two top candidates that it appeared were going to get hired then it fell apart out of nowhere. What is up in Charlottesville?
December 9th, 2021 at 3:48 PM ^
Well they had that one thing a few years ago...
I'll stop right here though about the details.
December 9th, 2021 at 4:08 PM ^
All the coaches being interviewed are young and black.
December 9th, 2021 at 4:55 PM ^
Might play into why they don’t want to go there…
December 9th, 2021 at 5:09 PM ^
The AD is a black woman.
December 9th, 2021 at 5:21 PM ^
Please relate this to ww2, Stalin or hitler somehow per your usual commentary as to stay on theme and remain consistent.
thanks
December 9th, 2021 at 5:23 PM ^
I’m not the one who referenced Hitler, bub. You should try reading threads in order.
December 9th, 2021 at 5:33 PM ^
Your usual commentary devolves into some sort of fascism, socialism, dictator referencing word salad.
Was just waiting for the inevitable Salvatore hyperbolic rhetoric given something racial/political was in discussion.
December 9th, 2021 at 5:43 PM ^
I don’t think you understand what word salad or hyperbolic mean based on this classic Bo Harbaugh inane comment.
Anyways, the person I was responding to chose to reference race from his first response. Why? He then (incorrectly) links Kevin Wilson to a Hitler comment while connecting Herr Schicklgruber to white supremacy at Charlottesville. I pointed out that Nazism and white supremacy are not the same thing.
None of this is in any way related to Josh Gattis and UVA.
December 9th, 2021 at 9:07 PM ^
hE InCorrEctLy lInKs KeVin WILsOn to a HiTLEr commeNT.
Go away dude. Do some easy searching and see what the EFF I was referring to.
https://247sports.com/Article/Former-Indiana-QB-Zander-Diamont-says-coach-referenced-Hitler-119700022/
December 10th, 2021 at 2:11 PM ^
>I pointed out that Nazism and white supremacy are not the same thing.
You just dialed the temperature in this thread from 10 to fucking 100000. What could you possibly be saying here? Nazism and white supremacy are absolutely analogous to one another.
December 9th, 2021 at 5:49 PM ^
So you REALLY can’t think of a reason why an African-American would be hesitant to go to Charlottesville… nothing in the recent past?
Here’s a hint: it has nothing to do with the school or the administration itself.
December 9th, 2021 at 5:54 PM ^
Based on what I am reading on Twitter it seems the issue is has to do with facilities.
From I gather these coaches interviewed and were ready to take the job if their conditions were met.
Charlottesville is literally melting down it’s Lee statue.
December 9th, 2021 at 5:59 PM ^
Ah yes, that makes up for everything.
December 9th, 2021 at 5:27 PM ^
Virginia should hire a black coach, no one else seems to in the NCAA. As notoriously bad as the pros are for minority head coaches, college is worse.
December 9th, 2021 at 7:28 PM ^
According to this article, 16% of NCAA football head coaches are black and male. They comprise only 6.2-7.1% of the US population, so black and male head coaches are over-represented.
So, personally, I’m hoping Virginia hires a non-binary and indigenous head coach.
December 9th, 2021 at 7:33 PM ^
Um, the Black population of the U.S. is actually about...16 percent, but the true percentage is likely more because minority groups are undercounted by the census. Additionally, Black players annually account for about 60-65 percent of all players. So, yeah, Black coaches are extremely under-represented.
December 9th, 2021 at 10:38 PM ^
Only 12.4% (14.2% if you include black and another race) according to the 2020 census, so even if you include both gender, black coaches are still over-represented.
I see a lot of posters who are using diversity and equity as a way to be anti-white. That’s not what it is; it’s for creating equality of outcome in order to empower.
In this case, it would mean hiring fewer white and black males as head coaches because they’re over-represented.
December 9th, 2021 at 8:50 PM ^
Great example of how to misuse statistics. No NCAA college coaches are female so the correct number for comparison would be the combined male and female % of the population, not the 6.7% that is male.
December 9th, 2021 at 10:21 PM ^
What if I want female representation in head coaching as well?
That was very clearly implied in my post.
December 9th, 2021 at 9:04 PM ^
Lol. Way to dodge the elephant in the room re populations. Black males are also over represented as a percentage of total population as players in college and the NFL. Which funny enough, probably makes us actually underrated on staffs given our participation.
December 9th, 2021 at 11:05 PM ^
Black males are also over represented as a percentage of total population as players
As we build a more equitable society, this will also need to change.
December 9th, 2021 at 9:12 PM ^
My honest guess: Kyle Whittingham is retiring from Utah at the end of the season and will announce it after the Rose Bowl, and Bronco Mendenhall wants to finish his career there. So he leaves UVA early so they have time to hire a coach during the coach feeding frenzy. Then when Whittingham retires after the Rose Bowl, Mendenhall is ready.
December 9th, 2021 at 11:53 PM ^
Interesting theory, MIMark. Whittingham is a fantastic coach, and he finally got Utah to the Rose Bowl. He's 62, so kinda young to retire.
Would be a shame if he does retire. He's good for Utah and CFB.
December 9th, 2021 at 3:39 PM ^
Saw the same report from 247. Curious indeed.
December 9th, 2021 at 3:52 PM ^
I wonder if there's any malice here trying to project instability onto us before early signing day. Listening to his speeches, I doubt Gattis is focused on anything but recruiting and prepping for Georgia. The man cares deeply about his players and staff and head coach.
At this point, head coach for Virginia might actually be a step down from offensive coordinator at Michigan
December 9th, 2021 at 7:26 PM ^
I'd be surprised if Gattis left for Virginia of all places. Something is definitely unappealing about the job. Their coach just quit out of the blue, the Penn St co-DC (and famous former UVa player) turned them down, Tony Elliott (whose stock is a bit down after Clemson's awful offense) turned them down. They will probably end up raiding someone else's garbage and get Manny Diaz.
December 9th, 2021 at 3:40 PM ^
OP, I'm not sure what your expectations are here.
Do you think Harbaugh or Gattis is going to give you a call? Do you think anyone with inside information on a sensitive matter would respond to your post?
You must have a source for the "turn for the worse" information. Maybe you could consult that?
Also, your post is pretty snowflakey, but probably not much more than hundreds of posts from the past couple of weeks.
December 9th, 2021 at 3:43 PM ^
Yeah pls call coach Jim or Josh and respond back by eod. Thx.
youre a snowflake
December 9th, 2021 at 3:41 PM ^
They should poach Kevin Wilson... Just leave us the duck alone.
So annoyed with the constant coaching carousel bull shit. It takes the fun out of the game.
December 9th, 2021 at 3:50 PM ^
Didn't Kevin Wilson get fired for idolizing Hitler during a practice speech? What community would want that person running their football program? Ohhh....nevermind.
December 9th, 2021 at 3:57 PM ^
Hadn't heard that. I do recall the issue(s) with expecting (forcing?) injured players to work out, accusing them of being soft if they opted not to.
December 9th, 2021 at 3:58 PM ^
I don’t think that is correct.
December 9th, 2021 at 4:17 PM ^
You have much learn about Hitler vis a vis white supremacy.
Nazism isn’t interchangeable with white supremacy. Nazis murdered “white” people(Jews, Slavs, Romani). The Confederacy had a Jewish Secretary of Treasury/defense(Judah Benjamin) which would be unthinkable in Nazi Germany.
The culture that birthed Nazism is wildly different from that which birthed white supremacy. German history is not the same as British or Spanish history.
December 9th, 2021 at 4:28 PM ^
This is a crock of crap. The definition of "white" has changed over the years. It used to exclude Italians, Irish, etc.
Are they the same thing? No. But they're very much related.
December 9th, 2021 at 5:08 PM ^
This is ignorant rubbish.
Nazism comes fromGerman and Christian European history. Antisemitism being the hate de jour for damn near a thousand years. See Rhineland Massacre 1096.
White supremacy developed out of slavery in the Americas. It was first devised by the Spanish to justify enslaving indigenous and Africans.
Antisemites would take the construct of race and apply it to Jews in the 19th century.The advent of Racial antisemitism is a key moment on the road to the Holocaust.
You apparently are struggling with the fact that two different strains of hate developed in different places involving different cultures with different histories. You conflate the two because “white” people are involved in both. The problem with this is that you are applying an American conception of identity to German history which doesn’t work. Germans had very little contact with black and brown people until the 1880’s when they became involved in African colonialism. By that point whiteness had been established in the Americas for 300 years.
There were so few black people in Germany under Nazism that they Nazis didn’t even have a set policy on how to treat them.
December 9th, 2021 at 5:20 PM ^
The German colonial empire did commit what we would today call genocide against the Herero and Nama in Namibia. They also passed miscegenation laws. On the other hand, they weren't all that different from the Belgians, British and French, though these three were considerably milder.
To their credit, in Germany this genocide was unpopular and criticized in various media.
19th Century colonialism was vey unpleasant stuff.
December 9th, 2021 at 5:35 PM ^
Absolutely. I read “The Kaiser’s Holocaust”. Horrific stuff. Shark Island was a forerunner to Dachau or Sachsenhausen.
But as I noted the Holocaust has much deeper roots. It goes to the core of Christian Europe.
The history of antisemitism desperately needs to be taught in this country because Americans are completely oblivious to how long Jews have been reviled and how ingrained that hate was and is still ingrained in Christian and European culture. We still see antisemitic conspiracies even after 1000 years.
It’s from fount of iniquity that the evil of Nazism sprang.
December 9th, 2021 at 6:44 PM ^
Wrong. Nazism flows from eugenics, the science of race which was prominent and accepted as valid in America through WWII. This is why today's American white supremacist believes in an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory (white replacement) that didn't exist among antebellum Southern slavers, while Hitler killed Black people in his death camps too. Yes, anti-Semitism has existed for hundreds of years in the Christian world (dating back to the Spanish Inquisition at least) prior to the Nazis, but eugenicists incorporated hate for Jewish people (as non-European and racially indeterminate) into their race theories, which Hitler was far more inspired by than the Protocols of the Elders of Zion or the findings of the Inquisition. I'm teaching a class on all this next semester.
December 9th, 2021 at 9:55 PM ^
Actually, in a way you're both right. But neither of your stories is complete.
Eugenics was involved in the 'how' anti-semitism manifested itself in the Nazi world view; but traditional anti-semitism was one of the 'whys' (among others) that it found fertile ground among the German population. However, there were other 'whys'.
The development in the late 19th Century of the ethnic nation-state in Central and Eastern Europe played a role as well. German defeat in WWI played a role, and the interwar period saw tremendous ethnic tension between Poles, Hungarians, Ukrainians, Romanians, and Lithuanians over who legitimately should have certain territory. The disputes centered on which languages were to be taught in schools, and who lived in the area that was originally part of the Habsburg Empire the longest, and the list goes on ad infinitum. Hungary and Romania nearly went to war over this, for example. There were ethnic population exchanges/expulsions between Balkan countries (as well as Greece) and Turkey. In Germany this manifested as the idea of the Volkish community, the Volksgemeinschaft, for ethnic Germans only, and not for other Northern Europeans.
And jealousy/fear of missing out on economic success played a role; to some Germans (because the Jewish population tended to be more educated), Jews seemed to be taking over professions. There were long lines at warehouses at times during the war, and lots of action at auctions for property left behind by the dispossessed after they were sent to their deaths.
I've only scratched the surface. There were an awful lot of strange ideas in Nazism, and it's a pretty long list.
I'd suggest that there isn't one answer that wraps up this very complicated question; there was a confluence of reasons, so it might be best to take a more nuanced view. Poland passed anti-semitic laws before Germany did, for example. Anti-semitism in the interwar period and WWII was a very toxic brew, and it's very difficult to point to any one fact and say, "Aha, that's the reason!"
December 10th, 2021 at 7:51 AM ^
Solid post.
December 9th, 2021 at 10:39 PM ^
I know it’s hard to compare the relative brutality of European colonial practices, but i thought Belgium had a reputation for being among the worst. Not my area of expertise though.
December 10th, 2021 at 12:54 AM ^
You're right. I'm not sure it was as bad as what happened in German Namibia, but it's very possible.