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- Schlissel / Regents don’t want to shell out the $$$ to buy-out and fire Brandon and Hoke.
- The team somehow figures things out enough to go .500 and make it to the Pizza Bowl.
- Brandon does/says enough (cuts ticket prices, eliminates the “wow factor” crap, is restricted from going to coaches meetings, is not seen or heard from on the sidelines, etc...).
- Brandon pulls in enough favors to be granted a graceful exit over the next year or so in order to save face.
|11 weeks 1 day ago||What years were you in club?||
|11 weeks 1 day ago||the 1993 song contest||
was organized by Jeff Marx (clubber and co-composer of Avenue Q)
The winner was David Cortwright’s “Memories of Michigan”. David wasn’t a music student but a Physics-Engineering major who had a great interest in sound, chaos theory, relativity and computer systems. He is also a glee-clubber. I think he went to Microsoft after graduation.
Howard Watkins, mentioned as one of the judges in the link, is an assistant conductor of The Met. If you ever listen to weekend Metropolitan Opera broadcasts, you will often hear his name mentioned.
I am not familiar with Paul Rardin’s “Michigan Remember” but it doesn’t surprise me that he wrote a Michigan song (but it may have been later than 1993 date referenced by the article.) Paul was a graduate student in the School of Music in the early 90‘s who did some wonderful arrangement and composition work for the Men’s Glee Club. I think he arranged “Under the Sea”, “The William Tell Overture” and others. Rardin later became the Glee Club director, so perhaps he wrote it then?
About the Michigan Songs. Yes, many of them, but by no means all, originated as drinking songs. Most such songs came from the various drinking societies on campus which were like early fraternities. The Friars (the singing group) take their name from one of these early drinking clubs.
Many of the Michigan Songs originated from Michigan Union Operas. Many of you may know that the Michigan Union wasn’t always U of M property. It started out life as a something of a student co-op. Glee clubbers and other musical students would write, act and staff operettas and then take them on tour to help raise money for building the Union. Some of these songs do center around drinking however...The Glee Club sometimes jokingly refers to itself as a “drinking group with a singing problem”. The Friar’s Song (sing it, Carl!), When Night Falls, I’ll Ne’er Forget My College Days and Bum Army and others all come form these Michigan Union Operas. They used to be performed in front of the Union during Homecoming with men in drag playing the female parts, but sadly that tradition died out decades ago.
I have no problem with any student taking a shot at adding to the rich and living Michigan musical tradition. If the work has merit, then it will stand. I’d rather such work not be contracted out. There is so much talent on campus, there is no need.
|21 weeks 4 days ago||so if things have progressed||
so if things have progressed to the point that Michigan is negotiating a buy-out of Harbaugh's contract, doesn't that imply that Jim Harbaugh has agreed to take the Michigan job?
|22 weeks 7 hours ago||If we can't get Harbaugh||
I'd take Bo in a heartbeat. If he went 9-3 at Nebraska, then I'd expect he'd do a bit better with our talent pool.
|22 weeks 2 days ago||AD at Michigan.||
given his good relationship with Harbaugh & his a ability to recruit which might translate well to fund-raising with wealthy alumni.
|27 weeks 6 days ago||Dave Brandon just isn’t qualified for the job.||
Dave Brandon just isn’t qualified for the job. He had no experience or background as an athletic director and it shows. The same thing can be said for Martin, Goss and Roberson as well. All good men. Mostly good fund-raisers but none had backgrounds as athletic directors.
That, in large part, is how we find ourselves in this mess today.
So, was DB to someone do the right thing and get Jim Harbaugh to come home, he should still be let go and replaced by someone who really understands the job.
|28 weeks 2 days ago||Have you not been paying attention?||
The president of the university and the regents essentially have no confidence in the man and do not support his actions. You do not simply let a person you have no confidence in go ahead and chart the multi-million dollar course for your football team (read FACE OF THE UNIVERSITY) and commit 4 to 5 years to a sub-par coach (sub par because no good coach will come with Brandon is AD per many well informed sources). Because of this, Hoke and Brandon’s fates are linked.
|28 weeks 2 days ago||Mexican Standoff?||
How Brandon might stay:
At that point, you could have a real Mexican standoff.
Even if Brandon wanted to fire Hoke, he couldn’t because that act would force Schlissel / the Regents hand. They simply couldn’t allow Brandon to hire a new bad coach and risk the next 5 years of Michigan Football as well as alumni & student relations. If Brandon were to fire Hoke, it would cost him his job.
Of course, if Hoke were to stay, recruiting would continue to tank. Even if Hoke wanted to make changes to the assistant coaching staff, it would be difficult to convince anyone of quality to come to Ann Arbor given the situation. Many current players would likely transfer this off-season... The talent level on the team would really suffer which would make it that much less attractive to a new coaching staff. In short, this would be a complete disaster.
All of this must be obvious to Schlissel & the regents and I can’t believe they would want this slow death to play out over the next year or so.
|28 weeks 6 days ago||I'd go higher on the MSU point totals.||
Sparty should put up around 450 total yards and I'd guess 35 to 45 points. Even if our defense holds early, it's bound to breakdown in the second half with our inability to move the ball. We'll be lucky to break the 200 yard mark in total offense. Heck, did we even have a possession in the redzone VS PSU? Our TD was on a 43 yard pass and it looks like all our fieldgoals were longer than 30 yards. *sigh* This could be really ugly.
42 - 10 MSU
|28 weeks 6 days ago||do you think we can beat MSU||
while only scoring one TD early and maybe some field goals later in the game?
|30 weeks 3 days ago||Bo always said he didn't want||
Bo always said he didn't want to overshadow Mo and Lloyd. I believe he mainly only offered his opinion if they directly asked.
|30 weeks 5 days ago||You are right in that IF||
You are right in that IF everything else were running as it should, then this incident wouldn't have become such a shit-storm. That's not the point. Herbstreit & Howard are making the same mistake.
The Morris incident, while very important on its own, is also a symptom of larger problems of leadership and organization in the football program and athletic department.
Students and alumni treated as customers & gouged for money rather than valued members of the Michigan family.
Questionable search practice for Hoke. (search may have been rigged, best people for the job not offered, etc...)
Suspicion, reports and observations of inappropriate involvement of Brandon in micromanaging the football program ((Hoke is more of a figurehead?)
Lies and obfuscation rather than truth and transparency in dealing with the concussion issue.
Policies resulting in lack of interest in game attendance.
Zero player development
Mounting player injuries
No observable leadership on or off the field...
A lot of this stuff is difficult to fully define, but we know it all smells rotten...We know something is deeply wrong in the athletic department. The Morris incident is just the most recent, most egregious and easiest to define.
|31 weeks 6 hours ago||it's simple||
"We always knew what the right thing to do was, so we just did it. And we slept well at night! Really, it was that simple"
― Bo Schembechler,
“Every coach, every executive, every leader: They all know right from wrong. Even those Enron guys. When someone uncovers a scandal in their company, I don't think they can say, "I didn't know that was going on." They're just saying they're too dumb to do their job! And if they really are too dumb, then why are they getting paid millions of dollars to do it? They know what's going on.”
|35 weeks 20 hours ago||consensus We really have||
We really have been universally panned from the pre-season rags, national & local sports radio hosts, sports writers, etc... No respect.
FYI, I was listening to the Gophers pre-game on Thursday, and the crew picked Michigan to be the 6th best in the conference also.
I don't know how this is all going to play out, but MAN do we have A LOT OF TALLENT on this TEAM!
|38 weeks 1 day ago||are you ready for||
the surprise all yellow uniforms with blue shoes for the final ND night game? Surely Sparty and the Ducks will be going all out with crazy uniforms that same night. Might he too much for Adidas to resist.
|38 weeks 2 days ago||B I could do without the||
I could do without the stripes on the numbers. I think they'd look much better solid.
Was there a season where Michigan had blue pants for the away uniforms?
For some reason I seem to recall a story where players requested to wear blue tops and pants for the bowl game?
|39 weeks 4 days ago||Brady's job shouldn't be in question.||
The past two seasons have played out just as they should have given the transition and lack of players in certain positions, lack of upperclassmen, RR's odd recruiting practices which we are still paying for, majority of talent in the underclasses, etc... Having a different couch probably wouldn’t have mattered at all. It could have even been worse.
Hoke is recruiting like a madman and recruiting accounts for at least 80% of success in college ball. The future is bright.
|41 weeks 17 hours ago||Bimbo's Octagon||
I stumbled upon one of the remaining origional Bimbo's up on a lake in northern Minnesota while camping this past weekend! It's the very same pizza & started by the same man who owned the Ann Arbor locations. Still delicious after all these years! :)
more info & photos on Ann Arbor Townies
|45 weeks 3 days ago||Sounds perfect. Down-hill||
Sounds perfect. Down-hill running!
Could make a great HUGE FB or big TE with speed.
|1 year 24 weeks ago||MACRAO||
They can transfer in. I did and nearly all of my credits did transfer via MACRAO.
Problem is only one CC in the state has a football program.
Out of state CC's aren't covered by MACRAO.
|1 year 24 weeks ago||Grand Rapids CC||
Save for players from Grand Rapids CC. Most/All credits would transfer due to in-state agreement between CC's and state universities. GRCC is the only CC in the state with a football team I think.
|1 year 25 weeks ago||The shock has started to wear||
The shock has started to wear off.
yes, we are a spoiled fan-base.
no, the sky is not falling.
As others here have pointed out, RR neglected to recruit many offensive linemen in his final two years, and many of those he did were busts. That give us our present underclassmen musical-chairs o-line.
What should be the results when an underclassmen line goes up against one of the better defenses in the nation? Just what we saw yesterday...
|1 year 25 weeks ago||The most obvious answer tends||
The most obvious answer tends to be the correct one...so youth it is.
So, we’re probably 2 years out form having a decent OL built from the existing players and incoming recruits...
The coaches need to seriously look at bringing in some JC or grad-transfer OL talent to shore things up & buy time for the youth to develop without getting their confidence blow to crap!
The argument against JC transfers has been that they tend to lose too many credits when transferring into Michigan. That would not be the case if they came from GRCC because ofThe MACRAO Transfer Agreement.
If we did find a couple gems-in-the-rough at GRCC, they would in effect replace a couple busts from the earlier classes & allow us to redshirt more of the incoming class.
|1 year 26 weeks ago||victory formation?||
|1 year 26 weeks ago||on what point(s)?||
on what point(s)?
|1 year 26 weeks ago||also||
Hoke was looking for a transfer QB over the spring/summer so why not OL?
|1 year 26 weeks ago||I loved the scripted opening||
I loved the scripted opening drive too! Gave me hope and makes me wonder what could be with time and talent on the line.
|1 year 26 weeks ago||Few if any, but I can’t||
Few if any, but I can’t recall such a clear youth problem in the OL over the past 40 years either. Also it’s a different era & I don’t see why the football program shouldn’t look at grad & JC transfers if it makes strategic sense. The U of M student body includes many transfers. There is no reason that the football program shouldn’t also if warranted.
|1 year 26 weeks ago||transfers||
Just to be clear, I am not “apologizing for Borges” & I don’t see how that has anything to do with the content of my post.
Now, if you want to know what grade I would give Borges, it would be an incomplete because as of yet, I have no clue what his end goals are with this team because most of what has been tried just doesn’t work or has been some horrid chimera with Rich-Rod’s head, Hoke’s body and Denards dreads.
I also have no idea what offensive theory he’s trying to apply. It looks like we have a bunch of plays but no coherent offensive system to speak of.
As others have posted, with such bad blocking / pass protection, not much would work...
I’d really like to see what Borges could do with a good line and a QB capable of running his system. Denard wasn’t that guy. Devin may be, but the line sucks. It’s hard for me to feel confident judging Borges one way or another right now.
My point above stands though. The coaches should have seen this youth problem (if that is what it is) coming even two years ago and should have planned for it by bringing in a few good OL transfers to shore things up.
|1 year 26 weeks ago||transfers||
The staff should have had the foresight to see this coming and gone after a couple good transfers or grad-transfers on the OL. Such a shame we are wasting another year when we do have a fantastic QB and good skilled position players.
I know Michigan’s football program likes to think they are above taking transfers, but it’s needed. If they have a couple open scholarships at the end of this recruiting process, I hope they do go out and get some experienced players for 2014.