“He was on the other side of the court, screaming: ‘Good shot, Kev!’” Durant said, shaking his head in delight. “I’m thinking, this guy’s an All-American type of teammate right there.”
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|13 hours 35 min ago||You are right in that IF||
You are right in that IF everything else were running as it should, then this incident wouldn't have become such a shit-storm. That's not the point. Herbstreit & Howard are making the same mistake.
The Morris incident, while very important on its own, is also a symptom of larger problems of leadership and organization in the football program and athletic department.
Students and alumni treated as customers & gouged for money rather than valued members of the Michigan family.
Questionable search practice for Hoke. (search may have been rigged, best people for the job not offered, etc...)
Suspicion, reports and observations of inappropriate involvement of Brandon in micromanaging the football program ((Hoke is more of a figurehead?)
Lies and obfuscation rather than truth and transparency in dealing with the concussion issue.
Policies resulting in lack of interest in game attendance.
Zero player development
Mounting player injuries
No observable leadership on or off the field...
A lot of this stuff is difficult to fully define, but we know it all smells rotten...We know something is deeply wrong in the athletic department. The Morris incident is just the most recent, most egregious and easiest to define.
|2 days 13 hours ago||it's simple||
"We always knew what the right thing to do was, so we just did it. And we slept well at night! Really, it was that simple"
― Bo Schembechler,
“Every coach, every executive, every leader: They all know right from wrong. Even those Enron guys. When someone uncovers a scandal in their company, I don't think they can say, "I didn't know that was going on." They're just saying they're too dumb to do their job! And if they really are too dumb, then why are they getting paid millions of dollars to do it? They know what's going on.”
|4 weeks 3 days ago||consensus We really have||
We really have been universally panned from the pre-season rags, national & local sports radio hosts, sports writers, etc... No respect.
FYI, I was listening to the Gophers pre-game on Thursday, and the crew picked Michigan to be the 6th best in the conference also.
I don't know how this is all going to play out, but MAN do we have A LOT OF TALLENT on this TEAM!
|7 weeks 3 days ago||are you ready for||
the surprise all yellow uniforms with blue shoes for the final ND night game? Surely Sparty and the Ducks will be going all out with crazy uniforms that same night. Might he too much for Adidas to resist.
|7 weeks 4 days ago||B I could do without the||
I could do without the stripes on the numbers. I think they'd look much better solid.
Was there a season where Michigan had blue pants for the away uniforms?
For some reason I seem to recall a story where players requested to wear blue tops and pants for the bowl game?
|8 weeks 6 days ago||Brady's job shouldn't be in question.||
The past two seasons have played out just as they should have given the transition and lack of players in certain positions, lack of upperclassmen, RR's odd recruiting practices which we are still paying for, majority of talent in the underclasses, etc... Having a different couch probably wouldn’t have mattered at all. It could have even been worse.
Hoke is recruiting like a madman and recruiting accounts for at least 80% of success in college ball. The future is bright.
|10 weeks 3 days ago||Bimbo's Octagon||
I stumbled upon one of the remaining origional Bimbo's up on a lake in northern Minnesota while camping this past weekend! It's the very same pizza & started by the same man who owned the Ann Arbor locations. Still delicious after all these years! :)
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|14 weeks 5 days ago||Sounds perfect. Down-hill||
Sounds perfect. Down-hill running!
Could make a great HUGE FB or big TE with speed.
|45 weeks 4 days ago||MACRAO||
They can transfer in. I did and nearly all of my credits did transfer via MACRAO.
Problem is only one CC in the state has a football program.
Out of state CC's aren't covered by MACRAO.
|45 weeks 4 days ago||Grand Rapids CC||
Save for players from Grand Rapids CC. Most/All credits would transfer due to in-state agreement between CC's and state universities. GRCC is the only CC in the state with a football team I think.
|47 weeks 2 days ago||The shock has started to wear||
The shock has started to wear off.
yes, we are a spoiled fan-base.
no, the sky is not falling.
As others here have pointed out, RR neglected to recruit many offensive linemen in his final two years, and many of those he did were busts. That give us our present underclassmen musical-chairs o-line.
What should be the results when an underclassmen line goes up against one of the better defenses in the nation? Just what we saw yesterday...
|47 weeks 3 days ago||The most obvious answer tends||
The most obvious answer tends to be the correct one...so youth it is.
So, we’re probably 2 years out form having a decent OL built from the existing players and incoming recruits...
The coaches need to seriously look at bringing in some JC or grad-transfer OL talent to shore things up & buy time for the youth to develop without getting their confidence blow to crap!
The argument against JC transfers has been that they tend to lose too many credits when transferring into Michigan. That would not be the case if they came from GRCC because ofThe MACRAO Transfer Agreement.
If we did find a couple gems-in-the-rough at GRCC, they would in effect replace a couple busts from the earlier classes & allow us to redshirt more of the incoming class.
|47 weeks 3 days ago||victory formation?||
|47 weeks 3 days ago||on what point(s)?||
on what point(s)?
|47 weeks 3 days ago||also||
Hoke was looking for a transfer QB over the spring/summer so why not OL?
|47 weeks 3 days ago||I loved the scripted opening||
I loved the scripted opening drive too! Gave me hope and makes me wonder what could be with time and talent on the line.
|47 weeks 3 days ago||Few if any, but I can’t||
Few if any, but I can’t recall such a clear youth problem in the OL over the past 40 years either. Also it’s a different era & I don’t see why the football program shouldn’t look at grad & JC transfers if it makes strategic sense. The U of M student body includes many transfers. There is no reason that the football program shouldn’t also if warranted.
|47 weeks 3 days ago||transfers||
Just to be clear, I am not “apologizing for Borges” & I don’t see how that has anything to do with the content of my post.
Now, if you want to know what grade I would give Borges, it would be an incomplete because as of yet, I have no clue what his end goals are with this team because most of what has been tried just doesn’t work or has been some horrid chimera with Rich-Rod’s head, Hoke’s body and Denards dreads.
I also have no idea what offensive theory he’s trying to apply. It looks like we have a bunch of plays but no coherent offensive system to speak of.
As others have posted, with such bad blocking / pass protection, not much would work...
I’d really like to see what Borges could do with a good line and a QB capable of running his system. Denard wasn’t that guy. Devin may be, but the line sucks. It’s hard for me to feel confident judging Borges one way or another right now.
My point above stands though. The coaches should have seen this youth problem (if that is what it is) coming even two years ago and should have planned for it by bringing in a few good OL transfers to shore things up.
|47 weeks 3 days ago||transfers||
The staff should have had the foresight to see this coming and gone after a couple good transfers or grad-transfers on the OL. Such a shame we are wasting another year when we do have a fantastic QB and good skilled position players.
I know Michigan’s football program likes to think they are above taking transfers, but it’s needed. If they have a couple open scholarships at the end of this recruiting process, I hope they do go out and get some experienced players for 2014.
|49 weeks 6 days ago||i agree.||
Borges is widely known as a college WCO guru of sorts.
WCO uses the short passing game to set up the run & deep ball.
The idea of running into a stacked line goes against all principles of WCO.
Given the choice between running his complex WCO system and running the ball up the middle for 1 yard gains, he’d clearly choose WCO.
From that we can take he doesn’t have a choice.
A) Michigan lacks the personnel to run WCO
i) the OL can’t block well enough to run WCO
ii) Gardener doesn’t run WCO well
B) Hoke is telling him to “establish the run at all costs”.
i) because he believes it will help the OL grow-up.
ii) he wants to run a power-variant of the WCO.
iii) we’re not playing to win. we’re playing to win next year.
iv) all of the above.
C) The coaches are incompetent
Of all of these, “C” is the one that appears to be surely false.
Brady did very well at Ball State & SDSU. Borges has a long track record of success also.
|50 weeks 1 day ago||i just don't understand.||
i just don't understand.
When Hoke was hired, he gave a lot of talk about manball & I took it mostly as window dressing for the old guard.
Hoke & Borges didn't run a power O at SDSU. I don't believe Borges has ever coached a power O either. It's not his style. His roots are n WCO.
"establishing the run" is anathema to WCO.
WCO is about taking what the D gives you. 30 to 40 passes a game, short ball control passing peppered with some run and some deep ball.
I was operating under the idea that the end goal was to install an updated WCO at Michigan.
If Hoke really want's to be be Michigan 1972 or Wisconsin 2002, then why Borges at OC?
|50 weeks 3 days ago||great point about the o-line||
I have a hard time knowing where to point or if anyone is really to blame.
With the state of the o-line, there might not be much that can be done with this team.
I *think* we have some good up-and-coming skill position players, and I don't think Gardener is a bad QB by any means, though he is trying to force some things. ..
If the OL can't block, then there isn't much Borges or any other coach can do.
Still, shocking we could put up 40 points when we can't block.
|50 weeks 3 days ago||M 42 PSU 20||
M 42 PSU 20
|50 weeks 5 days ago||word is||
they have been trying some new medication and in the short term, that may have caused the seizure. Hope is that if they give the medication some time and he gets some rest & limits his coaching duties, he'll be OK.
|51 weeks 2 days ago||quite a bit.||
Mostly it’s about instilling the habit of going to games or coming to understand the excitement of being at such an event.
Also, how to enjoy the event as opposed to sitting at home and watching it on TV.
All I keep hearing is that the students would rather drink and hit on each other at parties...that tells me they don’t understand HOW to go to games and enjoy them.
|51 weeks 2 days ago||?||
and that’s different than 10, 20, 30 years ago how?
|51 weeks 2 days ago||I agree to a point.||
I like the idea of letting students sell their own tickets if they want to miss a game. I used to often pick up a spare student section ticket back in the day for face value on the walk from campus. I don’t know why the athletic department would be afraid of that...
I think the problem may have started about 10 years ago when costs started to make big-time college football less of a family friendly event. Families couldn’t afford to maintain blocks of 4 tickets...kids as a result didn’t get exposed to Michigan Football first hand as those of us did back in the 70‘s.
Part of the solution may be to cut the student section by 75% or more and take those seats to create an affordable “family section” specifically for fans with school-age kids.
Teach them young how to attend games. Hell, take it a step further and start a family tailgating area with free parking up on north campus and bus them down to the games. Have the Glee Clubs (men and women) teach the kids Michigan songs at the location.
It might take 10 years to fix however...
|51 weeks 2 days ago||I don't know if I'd go that far but it sure was a good time. :)||
I will say that Moeller was a man before his time in many ways. Had he not had the Thunderbird problem, Michigan might have developed a very innovative O rather that putrid Lloydball...
One small factor, some students did scalp their tickets if they didn’t want to go to the game back then. Mostly it was small-scale and not a big deal. I grew up in A2 also, so occasionally I’d make it down to campus and pick up a student ticket for face value. Now, obviously we’re not talking 1/3 to 1/2 of the student section doing that, but that practice may have inflated the attendance numbers for our era a little.
|51 weeks 2 days ago||Hardly||
In the early 90's when I was there, the student section were packed.
|51 weeks 2 days ago||I agree. It is time...sad but true.||
On TV, they couldn’t hide the shame that is our student section at times with creative camera angles...and I’m glad. Really drove the problem home.
I just hope it’s a single lost generation and not a sign of things to come.
Back around 2000, in the old Victors Valiant board community, we had a discussion about what impact increased ticket prices would have long-term. One possibility we projected was that families would stop taking their kids to games which would result in such a lost generation. Since they didn’t develop the game-going habit as kids, they wouldn’t want to go as young adults. I’m not sure if 13 years later we are starting to see that shoe drop, but it could be part of the problem. If so, then the trend will continue to get worse.