I thought that myself when I read that article that talked about a Data Scientist(tm)
Where would Michigan be if Les Miles was hired in 2008?
...I think the correct answer is "on probation."
Given a chance to justify it, LSU fans would gladly be rid of the Mad Hatter (not that they are overly concerned with NCAA rules or recruiting violations, imo.)
on probation. Better question is where we'd be if Carr picked an ex-UM, Bo loving NFL QB who wanted the job as QB coach over a bust QB recruit? Or again when he asked to interview for the job after Carr retired and was told by phone that we weren't interested. Harbaugh may be an arrogant dick but he'd never cheat (wouldn't need to) at UM out of principal. Miles? Well, I've already told my story on here before. He did cheat when recruiting a kid as the OL Coach. No doubt he'd do it just to do it, get that extra edge.
would still be in Michigan. If that helps.
I logged in to say Ann Arbor. So I will see your Michigan and specify Ann Arbor.
don't make me think about these things...
Well we would be pretty damn good and a weird team. However everyone would be happy since we would be wining a lot.
We'd probably enjoy the coach's press conferences a lot more.
Damn you, Kirk Herbstreit.
We wouldn't have to read this post.
Nope. The post would had said "what if we hired RR"
Michigan fans will never be happy until we are Bama. Even if we were like Oregon, people would demand to be winning the NC every year and demand to fire the coach cause they lost 1 game.
But I think folks were content last year even though it was below our unrealistic expectations.
But yea, the blue blooded programs do complain when we aren't Alabama. It's not just a M thing though
2008 may not have been as bad. We probly would've kept Mallet, and maybe some of the receivers. But out o line was still brand new. D would've been better, but I still think we'd probably have a ceiling of 8 wins that season.
After that, we may have been better but we also wouldn't have had Denard. As crappy as the last six years have been, how much fun was it watching this group of guys out there? We probably would also have loved whomever we had, but it's hard to accept that we'd like them as much as Roundtree, Molk, Kovacs and company.
I guess I'd rather look forward than "what could've been" because I've grown attached to the teams we had, if that makes sense.
I love Denard, but would trade him in a second if it meant more wins per season.
He probably would have gone 4-8 in year one.
Eh, I don't think so. He is a much better coach than RR and I don't think we would have lost so many players to transfers. Also, Les understands that defense is important.
I don't think Les Miles is a long term solution. We would not have hit rock bottom but he benefits from amazing recruits and great cordinators at LSU.
So he's Brady Hoke with a National Championship?
Yes, except for the "great coordinators" part
Les Miles has been a damn good coach for a while now. And that includes his time as an offensive coordinator.
we would never had gone 3-9 in 2008, Mallett would have stayed and played for Les, Cam Cameron would prolly be our OC right now....so yeah, much better off.
Thanks for being a great sailor Mr. Bill Martin, asshole extraordinaire.
In an ethical morass of oversigning, grayshirting, and complete disregard for the well-being athletes that make us millions of dollars. Probably would win more though.
We'd probably have Cam Cameron as our OC.
So, I've got that goin' for me, which is nice...
Would we be worse off had he fired GERG and kept RR?
And whether that guy had ever run a 3-3-5 in his life before.
Bolivia after getting hammered for recruiting violations.
yup, just like LSU. Oh, wait...
LSU isn't in the B1G.
...if Michigan went to the SEC, I'd be all for Miles or any other borderline coach that wins. It's fair game in the SEC. In the Big Ten coaches "b snitichin n shit."
So you must believe OSU will be sunk any day now under Urban Meyer!
Also, RR put the team on probation too. At least Miles would have won.
That's your difference.
We would have a damn strong football team.
Have a great day.
(dances with a mouthful of grass)
Under investigation by the NCAA
More likely we would be living the Kentucky basketball lifestyle...aka...Whoo go team...They're going to keep looking the other way, right? Right?
What's that even mean now?
Just Like OSU dodged it by not hiring Urban Meyer. Oh wait!
It was always my understanding - and I could be wrong - that the speculation that Miles had accepted an actual offer was just that. As I recall, he acknowledged that a conversation between himself and Coleman and Martin took place, but stressed that it was more of a consultation than anything else. That was after he signed the contract extension, publicly reiterating his commitment to LSU. It never seemed clear that he was part of the process or that there was in fact a process.
Yeah, it was something like this I believe.
Although, I think he was on record saying that he would accept an offer if it was made. If I remember it was an interview on ESPN or some show where he said he could never say no to Michigan.
I think he wanted the job.
Yes, there was no "botched process". Michigan never had any intention of offering Les Miles. Bill Martin wasn't taking Miles' call . . not on a sailboat, not on a hayride, not on rollerskates. No Les Miles.
Are you saying John Bacon made all that stuff up then?
In 2008 we had probably the worst roster ever. It didnt help that Mallet was homesick and Aarington and Mannigham left. Maybe the defense's would have been a little bit better, and we would have gone 5-7 or 6-6 but thats all. After that it would have gotten better, except we never would have had Denard.
Isn't this a pointless exercise? I suppose wild and reckless speculation can be fun, but, I'm not sure what we gain from this... besides maybe a bit of fun.
I think we'd have switched from turf to grass for Les though.
Maybe we could plant some grass and put it in a little cart for him on the sidelines. That might just be appealing enough for him.
It is pointless, but would you rather think about this or the state of the offense?
Grass on the field
I always think about this, too. Yeah, Les is a little crazy and does shady stuff, but the guy wins a lot. I really wanted him to be our coach after Carr and frankly, I would still take him if Harbaugh is not an option (and I don't think he ever will be because he has a hard on for the terrible NFL). MIND YOU ALL...I am still OK with Hoke's being our coach. I hope it works out for him, but if it doesn't within the next two or three seasons, he needs to be replaced. Another guy who interests me is David Shaw from Stanford, but I think he is also NFL bound some day or will stay at Stanford. He has it good there right now.