Way OT: People who never dream in sleep

Submitted by NittanyFan on May 15th, 2022 at 10:07 PM

I am one of those folk - I have a healthy sleep schedule (6 hours a night only but that fully refreshes me).  But I literally can never recall dreaming even once over the last 10+ years.  It’s just off to oblivion, blackness, nothingness, until eventually I wake up.

I have mentioned this in conversations to numerous people the last few weeks - nearly everyone is shocked by this.  They all dream nightly, often vividly.

Anyway, just curious if anyone else out there is like me.  And are there any implications as regards this?  Why are we designed to dream in our sleep anyway?  (Hopefully not getting too existential with the last question)

1VaBlue1

May 15th, 2022 at 10:15 PM ^

Everybody dreams, including you.  Just because you don't remember them doesn't mean you're not dreaming.  I rarely remember mine.

Of course, the flip side of this is that you aren't sleeping well enough to get into a dream.  I think that's my problem - pretty sure apnea keeps me from sleeping very well, so I don't think I dream only because I'm not getting into that deep sleep very often.

MGoGrendel

May 16th, 2022 at 10:43 AM ^

I had sleep apnea and now sleep comfortably with a CPAP.  Highly recommend this simple treatment!! 

I have always been a deep sleeper and rarely wake up remembering any dreams.  I can't point to the last time I had one.  My nephew has VERY vivid dreams and writes them down when he wakes up.  He read one to us once and it was like a novel! 

Naked Bootlegger

May 16th, 2022 at 10:54 AM ^

I just had a consultation with a sleep specialist.   I'm always tired.  Always.   And I didn't realize how much I snored until I spied on myself overnight with a snoring app.   

I'm still confused how they define the threshold where a CPAP is recommended, but I'm jumping all over it if I "qualify".

Blue in Paradise

May 16th, 2022 at 8:56 AM ^

I took Dream Pysch at Michigan with Professor Wolowitz back in the mid-90s - very cool class.  I do remember that we learned that everyone dreams but some people remember their dreams better than others.

One tip I remember him giving us was to keep a notebook next to the bed (this was the pre-mobile device era) and to try and write any dream memories as soon as you wake up.  He told us that you often lose memories of dreams only seconds after waking up. 

When you start writing the memories, you are training your mind to better remember the dreams.  I have gotten to the point where some of dreams become "lucid" where I actually know that I am dreaming within the dream.  

1201SouthMain

May 16th, 2022 at 9:00 AM ^

I almost never dreamed for years.  I can remember dreaming when younger but nothing in 10 years plus.  I developed afib two years ago and determined I had sleep apnea.  As others have said, don't ignore sleep apnea.  I received a CPAP machine and of course wasn't a fan when I first got it.  But I listened to others who told me to stick with it and how much their CPAP changed their life. Now I am one of those people that tell you how much better I feel with my CPAP.  It is not cumbersome and I sleep like a baby!  And dream! OMG I have vivid dreams almost every night.  It is rare that I have a night where I don't dream.  

Sleep apnea has many dangerous health concerns but it also prevents you from ever hitting the REM levels needed for you to dream.  Get that checked out.  You will be glad you did.

 

L'Carpetron Do…

May 15th, 2022 at 10:15 PM ^

I've had sleep problems and they told me that typically if you're dreaming a lot, and vividly, that means you're not getting very deep sleep (I think that's the case but I'm not sure if I'm remembering that correctly).

So, it probably means you're a good sleeper, especially if 6 hours gets you plenty of rest.

L'Carpetron Do…

May 16th, 2022 at 12:57 PM ^

I was also a big snorer (a little better now but still pretty bad) and they said that is also a cause for shallow sleep and active dreaming. I basically have sleep apnea and a study determined I only sleep like 73% of the time.  I also have a thick neck and heavy chest and shoulders and narrow nostrils, all of which don't help. But, I've changed a lot of habits and I sleep much better than I used to. 

I've also had some absolutely insane sleep-walking (more like sleep-fighting) incidents. Those aren't nearly as frequent or intense anymore but they still happen from time to time and they are crazy, sometimes very scary. 

Blue@LSU

May 15th, 2022 at 10:20 PM ^

I'm just like you, Nittany. I haven't remembered any dreams for at least 10 years. Probably longer. 

But I damn sure do wake up with some solid wood every morning so they must've been pretty good dreams. I just wish I could remember them...

Oregon Wolverine

May 16th, 2022 at 5:03 PM ^

There is medical literature that suggests that THC interferes with dreams, not sleep.  There are different theories for why this is, but the one I find most interesting is that the mild psychedelic effects of MJ addresses the same the psychologic function of dreams (rebooting aspects of the brain).  Anecdotally I can draw (vape) around dinner time, and that does not interfere with my dreams, but use closer in time to bed does.  Hence, I'm not a late night toker.  

My wife has the same, but prefers not to dream because too many of hers are unpleasant, so she draws to help her sleep and not dream.

NeverPunt

May 15th, 2022 at 11:48 PM ^

I remember very few dreams - maybe once a month or so. Usually only if I’ve woken up in the morning and fallen back asleep briefly. My wife remembers virtually all her dreams in vivid detail. We have a bunch of kids so I attribute it to me simply passing out dead tired every night but I didn’t recall dreaming very much before we had kids either. I also get about 6-7 hours of sleep on average. 

Sam1863

May 16th, 2022 at 7:28 AM ^

Same here. Every once in a while I'll have a great dream. I've had one where I was playing hockey with the Detroit Red Wings in their Stanley Cup days. I got an assist on a goal by Steve Yzerman, and Brendan Shanahan congratulated me for digging the puck out of the corner and making the play. (It makes no sense because I've never played hockey in my life, but damn, what a great dream!)

But usually they're some form of fear. Not the monster-in-your-closet fear, but the smaller kind: fear of being embarrassed (showing up to school in your underwear) or fear of failing (the one where you have to take the final exam for the class you've never attended.) The stressful and worrisome kind of dream are my norm.

I asked a psychologist friend about my dreams. He said it was proof that I was even more screwed up than he thought I was.

It's always nice to get confirmation from a professional.

BlueMan80

May 16th, 2022 at 12:11 PM ^

When I traveled a lot for business, I frequently had a dream of not being able to get to my airport gate on time.  Something always caused a delay.

I also had the dreaded dream of every college student.  You forgot to go to a class all semester and realize it on the day of the final exam.

So, my dreams tend to be driven by stressors. When things are calm, I don’t seem to dream as much or at least from what I remember.

Clarence Boddicker

May 16th, 2022 at 12:46 AM ^

"And it's such a sad old feeling
All the fields are soft and green
It's memories that I'm stealing
But you're innocent when you dream
When you dream
You're innocent when you dream, when you dream
You're innocent when you dream."

kookie

May 16th, 2022 at 1:43 AM ^

I haven't dreamed since high school when I developed narcolepsy (mild case, I don't fall asleep randomly). You might want to get a sleep study.

Jonesy

May 16th, 2022 at 2:07 AM ^

I have a couple things to say on this topic.

 

1) supposedly every adult needs between 7 and 9 hours of sleep a night to be optimal and healthy, so your six hours probably is not cutting it.

2) dreams occur in REM sleep which is the second phase of sleep before the deep, restorative sleep. Nobody knows how important or what the benefits of REM sleep are. I started taking a THC gummy each night about a year ago, mostly because of the glorious sleep it gives you. However, it causes you to skip REM sleep, so I haven't dreamt in over a year...Hopefully REM sleep isn't that important, heh.

Gulogulo37

May 16th, 2022 at 8:56 AM ^

Actually we know that REM sleep is crucial. Your body will try to get REM sleep if it really needs it. I don't know about weed, it may suppress REM, but that doesn't mean it eliminates it. Alcohol is a REM suppressant. Delirium tremens and hallucinations and the fabled pink elephant all come from this. If you're literally shitfaced all the time and can't REM sleep it will essentially try dreaming in waking consciousness which is how delirium tremens develops. On another note, insomniacs are often alcoholics because it helps them pass out. I learned most of this from a really good book, The Dream Drugstore.

Another thing the book said and matches my experience is that the older you get the harder it is to remember dreams. I barely remember any dreams anymore. Nightmares were never a big problem for me but I can't remember the last time I had one.

I tried getting into lucid dreaming before but I found it a pain to write a dream diary when I want to sleep more or just woke up lol. I never did lucid dream but I had some insanely vivid dreams. And when I was making notes I could often trace my dream back quite far. So I'd wake up and remember the last bit. Write it down. Then remember how it got to that, and so on tracing my way back. It was pretty cool. Lots of other things to do to help lucid dream, like setting reminders to check with yourself if you're dreaming or even simply setting a timer to wake yourself roughly when it's time for REM and repeating to yourself you're going to lucid dream and then back to bed. I'm sure you can find stuff online, LaBerge was the expert I knew of.

Sopwith

May 16th, 2022 at 2:14 AM ^

You're almost definitely dreaming but not remembering it. That said, it's weird that if you're woken up in the middle of one that it wouldn't be in your conscious mind for a few seconds before getting deleted.

All I can say is you're missing out. I can fly in my dreams-- I just need to remember that I can do it, which isn't often but it's so fun when it happens. It started after I learned scuba diving and how to adjust your buoyancy underwater by holding more/less air in the lungs. I do the same kinda thing for dream flying. I wish I could leave a Post-it note in my dreams that says "DON'T FORGET YOU CAN FLY" and also maybe "SEE IF YOU CAN GET A DATE WITH MARGOT ROBBIE WHILE YOU'RE HERE."

 

MrWoodson

May 16th, 2022 at 2:32 AM ^

I think I read somewhere once that most serial killers say they don't dream. It wasn't a scientific study or anything. It was someone who wrote a book after interviewing a bunch of them in prison. And one of the common factors was they didn't remember their dreams. Weird, right?

543Church

May 16th, 2022 at 6:40 AM ^

I am almost 50 and I feel like I rarely dream any more.  When I was younger I would have vivid dreams and would remember them for the most part.  Now, like you, I mostly just slip off to blackness.