dragonchild

October 27th, 2022 at 12:30 PM ^

To be clear:

This is not punishment.  It is education.  It should happen, with or without the "glitch".

If you think this is punishment, you should probably ask yourself what is wrong with you.

bluewave720

October 27th, 2022 at 1:04 PM ^

Went when I was in high school and will never forget it. 

We had a survivor speak to our group.  It was tragic and riveting.  There were a couple of families in our same slot that listened with our group.  A man with a German accent was there with his ~6 year old son.  After it was over, the guy started crying really hard and his kid got a little antsy/concerned.   The survivor who had just spoke reached into his pocket and pulled out some candy for the kid.  Bent down (slowly) and helped him open it up.  He told the kid to give his dad a hug to help him feel better.  Outside of things that directly involve my family, that was one of the most moving experiences of my life. 

goblu330

October 27th, 2022 at 12:47 PM ^

They didn't.  This is out there, now.  Will probably be a GameDay segment and everything.  Too bad.  This is supposed to be a fun week for all of the players and fans.  This was an unfortunate turn.  For competitive reasons I hope the team can turn inward and focus for the game because this story is not going away.

wolpherine2000

October 27th, 2022 at 1:30 PM ^

I surely hope they do think about it. The tweet was inappropriate whether it was unintended or not, and both his statement and the action by the University are necessary, as is any publicity that this gets on Saturday.

There is some pretty batshit antisemitic stuff out there in the mainstream and it takes assertive public action and commitment to stop it.

LB

October 27th, 2022 at 3:34 PM ^

A 19 year old reweeted something from a cultural figure without putting a lot of thought into it. This is an opportunity. 100+ young men as well as some of the other people around the program will lean about something they may well not have known much about. When they leave Michigan they will all interact with people, sharing their values. It is impossible to know what good may come of it. I'll also wager that many of them will pay more attention to what they are sharing.

 

dragonchild

October 27th, 2022 at 12:50 PM ^

You know, you could be 100% correct on Acker's motivations and your take would still be full of shit, because your point boils down to the idea that going to a museum is inherently empty and pointless.  Which I mean, a lot of Americans agree with you, but I reject that, precisely because it leads to, well, dumb kids retweeting antisemitic poison and assholes acting like it's no big deal.  Ignorance begets ignorance.

Anyway, I'm sure the museum staff would love to hear they're just pawn in a corporate-style PR operation.  I'm sure that's a cromulent take on how they spend their time.

True Blue Grit

October 27th, 2022 at 1:23 PM ^

Agree 100% about the value of museums.  I've recently gone to both the Museum of the American Indian and the Museum of African American History in Washington D.C., and I don't know how anyone with eyes and who read even a portion of what they saw, could come out of either without being deeply moved by the horrible things inflicted on these people.  That's how you obtain empathy and understanding, and dissolve ignorance.  I'm not saying someone couldn't go to one of these museums and still walk out ignorant.  But, their chances are far better than just hearing about the history in a class or reading a magazine. 

arjungg

October 27th, 2022 at 1:34 PM ^

I certainly didnt mean to imply that going to a museum is inherently pointless. Im sure you gain something anytime you go to any musuem. 

Im saying doing this now, at this moment, is 100% PR move. Would this trip ever happen if there wasnt a tweet? Did the whole team suddenly require a holocaust refresher? 

It will be educational but it is PR. Both can be true.

charblue.

October 27th, 2022 at 6:33 PM ^

Maybe you'd appreciate this historical reminder and public relations heads-up. One of the heroes of the Holocaust is a Michigan graduate, Raoul Gustaf Wallenberg.  And this hero is remembered by name and memorial at the university and in the largest Holocaust Memorial Museum in America, in Washington, DC which is located on a street named after him. 

His role during the Holocaust was recently recounted as part of Ken Burns documentary, US and the Holocaust. Interestingly, Ken attended and graduated from Pioneer High School in Ann Arbor in 1971 while his father taught at Michigan. Burns made his first foray into the documentary film world using an 8 mm camera he got for his 17th birthday to film a documentary on an Ann Arbor factory. Burns eventually turned down a reduced tuition opportunity at Michigan to attend school at Hampshire College in Amherst, Mass. 

A Swedish architect, businessman and diplomat, Wallenberg helped save thousands of Jews in German occupied Hungary by issuing protective passports and documents and sheltered Jews in buildings designated in Swedish territory.

Wallenberg studied architecture at Michigan in 1931-1935. Upon returning to Sweden, he discovered that his American degree didn't permit him to practice as an architect in his home country. Wallenberg is believed to have died in a Russian prison at 39, five years after he initially disappeared on Jan. 17, 1945, and apparently picked up for suspicion of espionage by the Red Army, four months before the end of World War II. The circumstances and  details of his death in a Soviet prison remain speculative as do his alleged ties to US intelligence. 

Some have estimated that Wallenberg had a hand in rescuing some 100,000 Jewish survivors of the Holocaust, although historians believe that number to be overly inflated and that he is likely responsible for the rescue of 4,500. Wallenberg has received numerous memorials, monuments and honors for his humanitarian efforts including being named an honorary citizen of Canada, Israel, Hungary, Australia and the United States, one of only two people ever accorded that honor in this country. 

Jordan2323

October 27th, 2022 at 12:51 PM ^

I’m deleting original post because I should know better than to comment on anything sensitive. It was more of a shot at the sports media and their obsession with anything Michigan related. It wasn’t meant to make light of the situation, just more to point out that if this was a MSU player, for example,  or somewhere else irrelevant,  it wouldn’t get any attention whatsoever. I apologize if I offended anyone or if I seemed to make light of it. 

King Tot

October 27th, 2022 at 3:46 PM ^

It probably depends on the school and class. The textbook we use in my class has one page of information about the holocaust.* That is not sufficient.  

I provide each student with a victim of the holocaust, made available online by the Holocaust Museum in DC. They all share out what is happening to their individual for 4 days, I lecture shortly, and then we watch a segment of the film The Pianist (recommended by my Holocaust professor although it does not involve the camps). It is probably the historical event I spend the most time and effort on but that is my choice to do so. Students also read Night the following year in English.

Michigan State Standards is as follows:

7.2.6 Case Studies of Genocide – analyze the development, enactment, and consequences of, as well as the international community’s responses to, the Holocaust (or Shoah), Armenian Genocide, and at least one other genocide.

There is also an obscure and unenforced law stating Michigan teachers must teach 6 hours of Genocide history.

*I do not use the textbook in my class

oriental andrew

October 27th, 2022 at 3:54 PM ^

Just because someone taught it doesn't mean it was learned and understood. When you have loud prominent characters spouting out incoherent misinformation, someone who is young, idealistic, and in many ways still naive can easily make a mistake like this because they don't understand the full context. 

The offense is that he retweeted something from a (in)famous guy with a loud voice. Maybe he didn't fully understand it, maybe he didn't think enough about it before hitting retweet, maybe he thought he was retweeting something else. I don't know, but I also think we need to take things at face value and let the adults in the room do what they need to do without armchair quarterbacking this to death. 

I would also state that Jews (and really any minority group, including European immigrants) have had a difficult time in this country, some moreso than others. Jews have a long history in the US of facing discrimination. So do Asians. So do Latinos. Depending on where/when you lived, so did the Irish, Germans, Polish, and others. 

The bigger issue is with people like Kanye West, Alex Jones, etc. who know just enough to be dangerous, twist the truth with their skewed outlooks on the world, have an outsized platform from which to spew their nonsense, and the influence they have on those who don't (and maybe should) know better. 

LB

October 27th, 2022 at 6:06 PM ^

I spent the Cuban Missile Crisis years in a small house directly under the flight path of the B52's leaving and returning from Tinker AFB, at the time the largest SAC Base in the world. I would sneak out of bed and hide around the corner listening to my dad and a few of the older NCO's he knew talk. I first heard of The Holocaust there. I don't recall learning anything about it in school. Of course, that was grade school in the southern part of Oklahoma. Maybe a change in locales was the answer.

Fast forward a few years - Jr. HIgh in Long Island. I think there might be a small Jewish population on LI I  knew more then, I was an avid reader and a history buff. My best friend had an aunt who had survived a camp as a young woman, she wore a tattoo. I still don't recall learning a lot about it in school.

OK, maybe high school. I graduated from Birmingham Seaholm, I believe there may have been a few Jewish people around, our running back being one of them. I had a fantastic history teacher and while we touched on it, we did not learn that much about the Holocaust.

I have to say I am impressed with your experience. It must have been one hell of a school.

 

charblue.

October 27th, 2022 at 6:47 PM ^

The Zekelman Holocaust Center in Farmington Hills is a remarkable museum. I have made it a regular stop whenever I travel to Michigan. And Donovan Edwards should be familiar with it since it's located near where he went to high school.

Michigan has unique ties to the Holocaust and they are actually honored and celebrated on campus. I don't really care about this latest controversy. But it opens the door for education on a subject that deserves a great deal more understanding, appreciation and historical recognition for the echoes to current events which compel our attention today.

Anything that provides a renewable lesson of never forgetting what our history has wrought and tries to teach us is worth connecting to no matter how we relate to it. 

kehnonymous

October 27th, 2022 at 1:05 PM ^

You dont need to go to a museum to be educated about the most well known genocide of all time.

I would counter that assertion with *waves hands wildly in (Kan)ye's direction*  There's a whole nasty undercurrent of people who actively or ignorantly deny the history of anti-Semitism.  There was a full page ad in the Michigan Daily in 1991 questioning the veracity of Holocaust death totals.  There is a literal fucking Holocaust denier who protests outside an Ann Arbor synagogue every week.  

So, if you want to say that a team trip to a Holocaust museum is virtue signalling, then you do you boo, but that's infinitely preferable to vice signaling or inaction, which is why we're in the state we're in right now.  I'm sure many of the team already knows the basic facts and more or less feels the correct* way about this, but if even one player learns something he didn't and teaches that to an ignorant friend or family member, then why shouldn't the team do this?

* Not debating the definition of correct here, for obvious reasons

Bo Harbaugh

October 27th, 2022 at 1:30 PM ^

I think this is great for educational purposes regardless of what prompted it.

It think that obsessing over a retweet by a 19 year old is pretty absurd.  

Had Donovan wrote what was initially tweeted, I'd be much more concerned about his beliefs or what sort of info he is plugged into.  

A 19 year old that happens to like Kanye West, retweeting some Kanye hate and anti-semitism is indeed bad.  Given that he is a high profile representative of the university makes it much worse. 

But again, there's a bunch of folks, especially adolescents and teens, that just retweet stuff from - actors, musicians, influencers - they like without reading what is actually being said or understanding it.  When that person is 19, it's understandable and forgivable, and in this case, will be a very public and embarrassing learning lesson for DE. 

The team learning about the horrors of the Holocaust, anti-semitism and racism and hate in general is a good thing. Edwards and the team learning the history here as well as being more careful with social media is also a good thing.  

If after that, they have hate or misinformation in their heart, then it's on them.  

Durham Blue

October 27th, 2022 at 2:15 PM ^

Good points.  And education for the entire team and not just singling Donovan out is a great idea and stresses the team, the team, the team.  Also because the football players spend a lot of time with each and probably have a ton of conversations and they can also share similar beliefs as a result.  Nip the whole thing in the bud.

1989 UM GRAD

October 27th, 2022 at 2:01 PM ^

The comments on this issue - including "arjungg's" - are so disheartening.

Jews make up about 2% of the U.S. population but are the target of the greatest number of religious hate crimes.   Again, the group that makes up only 2% of the U.S. population is the most-targeted religious group in the U.S.

Holocaust awareness is on a continual decline...as it recedes in to history.

The youngest Holocaust survivors are in their mid 80's.  Within five or ten years, there will be no one left to provide live testimony of what they saw and experienced.

Until you know what it's like to walk in a Jew's shoes - and this one here had a giant swastika painted on the side of his house when he was young - you should shut the fuck up.  

HollywoodHokeHogan

October 27th, 2022 at 3:46 PM ^

Museums exists to help people become better educated in various respects.  The fact that you don't need one to become educated in some sense of the word doesn't mean going to one isn't educational.  You could be an expert in Holocaust studies and still learn from going to the Zekelman center.  I wish I could neg this infinitely.
 

steeltownblue

October 27th, 2022 at 2:47 PM ^

About a dozen years ago I got a chance to go to Yad Vashem, the world holocaust remembrance center in Jerusalem. I'm not Jewish, nor did I lose any family members in the Holocaust that I know of.  Without question, it was one of the single most moving experiences I have ever had. More than a decade later I still reflect on that visit and get teared up at the thought of it. It might sound like a strange recommendation, but if you are ever in Jerusalem you should visit it. Absolutely a life-altering experience in my opinion.

1989 UM GRAD

October 27th, 2022 at 3:33 PM ^

It is not a strange recommendation.

I was most recently in Israel about five years ago...with a group of 11 families from our synagogue.  Mostly adults in their late 40's/early 50's and their teen children.

Four of the families had adults who were descendants of Holocaust survivors.  Two were grandchildren and two were children of Holocaust survivors.  

Yad Vashem was of course on the itinerary.

The first thing you see when you enter the museum is a video playing up on the wall.  it features clips of victims and survivors in the pre-war era...enjoying simpler, happier times.  As we were watching the video, the father of one of our traveling companions shows up on the wall.  He was shown as a toddler and had passed away a few years before the trip.  Our companion screamed, "it's my dad."  Took us all - including the tour guide - quite a bit of time to regain our composure.  

McGreenB

October 27th, 2022 at 12:31 PM ^

Should also make the team watch the new Ken Burns' The US and the Holocaust. One because it was great. Also, its important to remember the consequences of not speaking up against anti-semetic BS.