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The thing about RRod that upsets me (The Game)

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The thing about RRod that upsets me (The Game)

I'm sure this has probably been discussed on this board many of time, but I just wanted to add my thoughts and get yours this week before the game.

I was looking through ESPN and noticed an article about the game. http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/20233/buckeyes-prepared-for-upset-minded-michigan Now as much as I hate tOSU, I do think ol sweater vest himself is a great coach. He emphasizes the game more than anything and I respect that. His main thing when he was hired was to beat us and man have they ever.

Rich Rod has been aware of the game, but seems like it's not his main focus. I know he has bigger plans, but I think beating them should be right behind national championship. I also think that should be in the back of his head all year long, game planning for them.

I guess I just want more emotion out of him for this game and hope that maybe he will have some things up his sleeve. God I pray that this horrible streak comes to a end now, this weekend. Everyone thinks next year for sure, but this year would be even sweeter.

Hail to the Victors! Go Blue!

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November 24th, 2010 at 11:48 AM | cot dammit (Score:1)
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cot dammit

Harvard: The MICHIGAN of the East

We're not arrogant, we're just better.

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November 24th, 2010 at 12:16 PM | Do you think the Yankees will (Score:1)
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Do you think the Yankees will resign Derek Jeter?  There are some rumors now that the Yanks are telling him to shop around.

Touchdown Michigan!

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November 24th, 2010 at 11:49 AM | (No subject) (Score:1)
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http://semichigansports.com

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November 24th, 2010 at 11:51 AM | I really think there isn't (Score:1)
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I really think there isn't enough to conclude that this game isn't considered monumental to Rich Rod.

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November 24th, 2010 at 11:54 AM | actions (Score:1)
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the sweater vest made of point of saying he will beat michigan in his first address to a stadium of rabid fans

I know that may sound silly, or it may be playing to the masses but he did it

does rich rod have a similar moment?  honestly, I know its silly and I have no idea what he does behind closed doors, but as of right now he is 0-5 against our 2 biggest B10 rivals and is entering the game as an enormous underdog

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November 24th, 2010 at 12:12 PM | Rivalries (Score:1)
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Am I missing something? When did Notre Dame not become a rivalry? I keep hearing the "0-6" against our two main rivals stat. Even if they are down, I don't see how it's not relevant to include them. I know I hate those guys and it means something to me to beat them. 

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November 24th, 2010 at 12:18 PM | notre dame (Score:1)
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is a huge rivalry

but I did say B10 rivals, the ones we have to beat in order to win the B10 championship in order to get to the BCS in order to play for the national championship

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November 24th, 2010 at 12:24 PM | I know exactly what you said. (Score:1)
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I know exactly what you said. But you said it in the context of Rich Rod doesn't "get" the rivalries we have. My point is that you can't cherry-pick stats for the sake of argument. He's 2-1 against ND, which is, as you agree, a huge rivalry. So this meme that he doesn't "get" rivalries is bs. 

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November 24th, 2010 at 12:48 PM | meme (Score:1)
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there is but one true meme and its name is national championship

everything else is bs

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November 24th, 2010 at 1:01 PM | So Bo didn't get it (Score:1)
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as he had zero NCs on his resume.

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November 24th, 2010 at 1:21 PM | nice (Score:1)
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but different era

Bo understood all he could control was winning the B10 and he did (13/20)

there was not a BCS system set up, he could not control the voters and who they awarded the national championship to

“If you look at the Harris poll, two-thirds of them really don't know what they're doing. About one-third does, but two-thirds don't,”

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November 24th, 2010 at 12:54 PM | To Hell with Notre Dame. (Score:1)
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To Hell with Notre Dame.

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November 24th, 2010 at 12:31 PM | First lesson in public speaking: (Score:1)
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Know your audience.

OSU fans demand victory in The Game.  Tressell knew that, and is enough of an accomplished coach to have provided some auxiliary benefits beyond his record against Michigan.  You really think that Cooper was fired because of his 8-4 record his final season? "2-10-1" is probably a more notorious statistic in the minds of OSU fans than the number of national championships they've won.

Michigan fans don't operate in the same vacuum, and I don't need a silly little speech to remind me that our head coach is doing everything he can to win EVERY game.  What happened to Cooper will never happen here.

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November 24th, 2010 at 12:48 PM | Does Lloyd have a similar (Score:1)
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Does Lloyd have a similar moment?  Does Moeller?  How about Bo?  Nope.

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November 24th, 2010 at 1:50 PM | Bo (Score:1)
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A Bo moment ?  He lived it 365 days a year. Everybody knew how Bo felt about Ohio State and The Game, most importantly his players.

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November 24th, 2010 at 2:11 PM | 69 (Score:1)
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dude...the game that gave rebirth to michigan football

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1969_Michigan_vs._Ohio_State_football_game

To motivate his team, Schembechler had the number 50 displayed everywhere in the Michigan locker room, and taped to every player's practice uniform

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November 24th, 2010 at 11:56 AM | Yeah, but in the same sense, (Score:1)
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Yeah, but in the same sense, I haven't seen enough that he gets pumped over it also. I live in Ohio, which sucks. But everytime they show a interview with sweater vest or quotes, he is talking about the game with great emotion. Reminds me of Bo and Carr. I guess that's what I'm looking for is some old school talk.

Hail to the Victors! Go Blue!

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November 24th, 2010 at 12:44 PM | I'm having a problem (Score:1)
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I'm having a problem imagining Tressel showing "great emotion" over anything.  I don't live in Ohio so I don't see any local coverage or interviews, but from what I've seen, sweatervest is not the emotive type

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November 24th, 2010 at 12:45 PM | RichRod's not responsible for your real problem (Score:1)
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I haven't seen enough that he gets pumped over it also. I live in Ohio, which sucks.

Aaaaaaand that's why you wrote this stupid post.  I'm sorry that your coworkers and neighbors make fun of you for being a Michigan fan, but honestly dude just suck it up.  Rich Rodriguez isn't responsible for your personal emotions.

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November 24th, 2010 at 12:49 PM | sweatervest doesn't talk (Score:1)
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sweatervest doesn't talk about anything with "great emotion"

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November 24th, 2010 at 1:04 PM | Redundant (Score:1)
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"I live in Ohio, which sucks."

 

The "which sucks" part is redundant.

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November 24th, 2010 at 11:53 AM | You're right, Rodriguez (Score:1)
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You're right, Rodriguez doesn't care about the rivalry and just views this as another game.  In his entire existence as a coach in football, he has never been at a school that had a hated rival and thus will never understood what it means.  I'm sure he gameplanned more for BGSU, because he probably vowed to never lose to a MAC school ever again.

What a bum!

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November 24th, 2010 at 12:31 PM | If not for WV blowing it in (Score:1)
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If not for WV blowing it in the Backyard Brawl, he wouldn't even be at Michigan.

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Space bitches, space.

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November 24th, 2010 at 12:46 PM | Why do you think he's so (Score:1)
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Why do you think he's so insistent on having multiple QBs that can run the system?  He learned from that mistake bc when Pat White went out they were hopeless.  OTOH this year we won a game with the backup in bc the offense was still able to work.

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November 24th, 2010 at 12:48 PM | I really don't see your (Score:1)
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I really don't see your point.  Does the fact that he lost to Pitt mean that he doesn't understand our rivalry with OSU? 

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November 24th, 2010 at 1:08 PM | Not true. (Score:1)
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Given what was going at at WVU, there's no way Rod would have been back there for the 2008 season.  The Pitt game (and the reaction from the athletic department) was perhaps the last straw, but he had already decided to get out of there by that point.

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November 24th, 2010 at 4:12 PM | You are correct in that there (Score:1)
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You are correct in that there were problems between Coach Rodriguez and the WVU AD well before the Pitt game. However, if WV wins, there's no way he leaves before the national championship game. Michigan would never have waited that long and he would not be here.

Knowing a number of WV alumni, from everything I've heard they have additional consternation about him due to his seeming approach to Pitt as just another conference game.

They lost Pat White, but they still should never have lost that game. They were in trouble from the start, Pitt was just better prepared and he was outcoached.

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November 24th, 2010 at 11:51 AM | What exactly would you like (Score:1)
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What exactly would you like him to do?

I'm kind of a big deal in Bolivia.

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November 24th, 2010 at 11:51 AM | How can you judge his (Score:1)
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How can you judge his intensity anyway?

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November 24th, 2010 at 12:04 PM | He has an "It seems to me" (Score:1)
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He has an "It seems to me" detector.

You see, it seems to him that RR doesn't plan for the game all year. He would like to see more emotion out of him.

or uh, Duder, or El Duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing.

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November 24th, 2010 at 11:54 AM | (No subject) (Score:1)
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http://www.chaobell.net/newgallery/d/2110-1/14xl63c.jpg

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November 24th, 2010 at 3:09 PM | I don't know when the DERP (Score:1)
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I don't know when the DERP montage meme started, but I like it.

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November 24th, 2010 at 11:53 AM | Unless RR starts ripping heads off, (Score:1)
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I don't think we will have objective evidence that he cares about this game. UNACCEPTABLE

What would you like him to do? Swear on TV? Beat his wife? Perhaps a crown of thorns?

/s for the challenged

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November 24th, 2010 at 11:54 AM | You think he needs more emotion (Score:1)
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How about the video of him on the sidelines last week blowing a gasket, I believe after a Michigan touchdown

 
 

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November 24th, 2010 at 11:54 AM | Really? (Score:1)
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November 24th, 2010 at 11:55 AM | I love it when I arrive, (Score:1)
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and my work is already done.  Now can somebody please get me a coffee with cream?

 

 

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November 24th, 2010 at 12:01 PM | would you also like sugar? (Score:1)
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would you also like sugar?

How 'bout I punchisize your face, for free.

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November 24th, 2010 at 12:30 PM |   (Score:1)
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How 'bout I punchisize your face, for free.

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November 24th, 2010 at 11:55 AM | Sigh. I am happy, so (Score:1)
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Sigh. I am happy, so blissfully happy, that we have a coach who doesn't make idiotic, inflammatory comments a la Hope and Dantonio. 

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November 24th, 2010 at 12:52 PM | I'd also add  that it would (Score:1)
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I'd also add  that it would have been completely insane for RR to make any promises or guaranties throughout his tenure so far.  As much as I love Michigan and hate OSU, talent-wise, they're just on another level.

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November 24th, 2010 at 12:01 PM | lol. You're an idiot (Score:1)
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and a troll. 

One game does not define a coaching career.  Bo dropped a bunch of games to unranked nobodies.  I was a student listening on the radio when #1 ranked Michigan lost to Minnesota in 1977.  He did the same thing in 1976 to Purdue.

Stuff happens in football.  Deal with it.

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November 24th, 2010 at 12:30 PM | 1981 (Score:1)
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Unranked Wisconsin 21, #1 Michigan 14 in season opener.

A Brunette Girl
 
Hail to the college whose colors we wear;
Hurrah for the Yellow and Blue!
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November 24th, 2010 at 12:57 PM | upsets (Score:1)
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     I remember all three losses very well.  In our haste to restore the traditions of Michigan football, let us not forget that one of those traditions under Bo was to consistently lose our bowl game, even when we were favored.  I remember hearing every excuse from rustiness after tOSU to not being accustomed to playing on natural grass.

     The obvious response is "at least we got to the bowl games" but back then it was basically a two team conference.  PSU wasn't there, Wiscy was a doormat, and Iowa was an afterthought.

     The program was slipping in 2007 and we hit rock bottom the following year.  Am I happy with the progress thus far?  No but changing leadership at this time is asking for more uncertainty.  If we are still having this debate a year from now, I think almost everyone will agree a change is needed.

    

any bowl will do

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November 24th, 2010 at 2:05 PM | That sort of loss is (Score:1)
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That sort of loss is UNACCEPTABLE!

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November 24th, 2010 at 12:03 PM | And (Score:1)
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it was to go to the National Championship!!!

Hail to the Victors! Go Blue!

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November 24th, 2010 at 12:07 PM | Talking smuggly in an attempt (Score:1)
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Talking smugly in an attempt to incite a board meltdown.

Gotta call 'em like I see 'em.

Makin' movies, makin' music and
Fight-in'  profitgoblue Round The World!
Russell Crowe!

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November 24th, 2010 at 12:31 PM | "The Pat White injury obviously didn't help, (Score:1)
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but you simply CANNOT lose that game if you're Rod."

So by your standards, Bo Schembechler simply CANNOT lose to MSU, Iowa, Purdue, Ohio State, or Brigham Young in 1984, regardless of the fact that his starting QB was out with a broken arm. That's just a silly excuse.

Not only that, but Bo Schembechler took undefeated teams with a chance at playing for a national championship into the Ohio State game four times—1970, 1972, 1973, and 1974—and FAILED to beat Ohio State in any of them. That certainly foreshadowed something, all right. Bo clearly wasn't the right guy to coach Michigan.


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November 24th, 2010 at 1:57 PM | Some people are complete idiots (Score:1)
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In my 30 years as a Michigan fan, we've lost "critical" games every single year except 1997. I remember in particular many heart-stabbing losses to Notre Dame and USC. Through Bo, Mo, Lloyd, and RR. If this is now the standard for firing a coach, we might as well shut down the sport of college football.

"I call that Communist football. I'm so tired of it. Good, red-blooded Americans snap the ball, hand it to the guy and have a normal run game or pass game."

—Steve Szabo, Michigan linebackers coach, November 2007

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November 24th, 2010 at 11:56 AM | Epic Fail Post (Score:1)
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I agree with many of the complaints about RR, but this one really loses me.  I am going to try to respond to all of your points:

1.  " He [Vest] emphasizes the game more than anything and I respect that."

No he doesn't.  He emphasizes building a great team that competes for BCS Bowl Games annually more than anything else.  He emphasizes fundamentals over everything else.  He emphasizes great recruiting over everything else.  He emphasizes vests over everything else.  But he does not emphasize The Game "over everything else."  Does he put particular emphasis on The Game?  Hell yeah, but if you took the time to listen to RR's pressers (and the players), so does RR.  The team practices something for OSU every week.

2.  "Rich Rod has been aware of the game, but seems like it's not his main focus. "

How do you know?  And even if this is true, I wouldn't want a coach that focusses on one game at the detriment of everything else.  That would make us . . . MSU.  Maybe RR should install a countdown clock to the OSU game like Dantonio did?  We all thought that was pretty silly, no?

3.  "I think beating them should be right behind national championship. "

Um, I think that beating OSU is probably before national championship, as you cannot get to a national championship if you lose the last game of the season.  I think trying to build a national championship team should be RR's biggest priority right now.  The rest - including beating OSU - will follow.

4.  "I guess I just want more emotion out of him for this game and hope that maybe he will have some things up his sleeve."

So even if we lose, you would feel ok if RR breaks a clipboard, punches a player, loses his shit in a press conference or just shows the requisite emotion?  I personally just want to see him win the freeking game, or at least get us competitive enough to do so.  I don't care if he sits back wearing a liesure suit, smoking a pipe nodding calmly while stroking his beard while doing so, as long as we have a good team.  And, as for the "some things up his sleeve", I believe that RR has arms.  I also believe that RR will break out some new plays this week.  Why do you assume that he will not?  Do you remember what the first offensive play of last year's game was?  Look it up.

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November 24th, 2010 at 12:04 PM | Um, I think that beating OSU (Score:1)
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Um, I think that beating OSU is probably before national championship, as you cannot get to a national championship if you lose the last game of the season.*  I think trying to build a national championship team should be RR's biggest priority right now.  The rest - including beating OSU - will follow.

 

* See Nebraska 2001, Oklahoma 2003


UM 2001-2005

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