Paywalled. Well this has been an interesting couple days of recruiting.
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Paywalled. Well this has been an interesting couple days of recruiting.
If true, that would offer some explanation as to why we're going after more DBs, most notably hosting Armani Reeves for a visit
he's no longer a commit.
Yea. Yuri's coming to town
I heard it was because of grades
Was a rumor circulating that a commit might not make it in and the scout article says "mutually parting ways". Sounds like this is it. Well....Armani Reeves might visit this weekend...
There was a rivals article a few hours ago that mentioned (without names) that we were about to lose a commit because of grades.
Just wondering if we know this is for sure about grades or more about Yuri Wright and Armani Reeves visting? I can appreciate Hoke's committment rules, but that should be a two-way street.
Based on everything the coaches have said and (more importantly) done, I think it is very unlikely that they would drop a kid who is committed just because someone else rated higher is coming to visit. This is a mutual parting of ways. Armani and Yuri are visiting because the spot is now available, and not the other way around.
Except, I'm pretty sure coaches don't care about star rating...just saying.
But guys with 4/5 stars tend to have offers from the best schools, so while I don't think they care or either look for that matter, I bet more times than not .. star ratings match the coaches and their board with all the prospects.
to Drake Johnson, a minor, 3 star Michigan RB commit. The coaches have their own evaluation strategy, believe me.
And you gave one example, big deal.
Where do you think Kyle Kalis is on their board?
I am going to trust the coaching staff. I think it can be reasonably stated that the coaches know more about the recruits and how they will fit into the program better than any of us do. They also know more about whether or not the recruits are doing the things that will translate into success at Michigan, both on and off the field, than we do.
This is going to be a very good recruiting class. As for the reasons on individual recruits, I don't care if I ever know or not. If they make the cut, they make it. If they don't, they don't. I care about the ones who do.
I even care about some who don't make the cut (looking at you Demar Dorsey).
I think most people thought there was a spot for one more DB before this.
If the kid wants to come he come. Same with any of our recruits. If they want to go on a visit then they can. Just don't expect there to be an offer sitting when you get back. When you commit to some where. YOUR COMMITTED! if your visiting, all your doing is saving your spot. In hokes system, you either have a spot or you don't. You know your place. Stop this two way street crap. Reeves isn't committed to psu if he's shopping around.
The two way street comment wasn't directed towards Reeves visiting us. If Hoke expects our players to be committed to playing at the UofM, then he should be committed to them also and not tell a kid there actually won't be room in the class now that options 1 and 2 are back in the picture. I am not saying that Hoke is doing this; from what I know of Hoke, he would not seem to be a guy who won't be as committed to the kid as the kid is committed to him and UofM. I am just saying it seems odd that Standifer will no longer be joining the class so late in the game, considering I have never heard anything about his grades and it happens to coincide with the moment when two of our higher rated prospects want to come visit. I think I might be delving too deeply into this because coaches obviously do not put stock into the star rankings like we fans do; sometimes we see a prospect and his scouting reports and wonder why our coaches think so highly of him, when they clearly see something they like and have significantly more experience than we do. Just saying it seems odd.
Sometimes grades seem to be a de facto reason for any red flags. Obviously we won't know much about the inner works of recruiting and when there are as many variables in something like there is in recruiting, it is easy to see how grades can come up as a reason to stop pursuing a kid. We all know the risks entailed from pursuing kids that might not qualify (our abysmal secondary the last few years, etc.). "Grades" were the reasons we stopped pursuing Pittman and Burbridge and it seems they are going to be fine. It seems odd we don't pursue kids with grade issues that other schools are pursuing heavily, since I believe we accept at the minimum NCAA standards (normally, if there are suspicious circumstances to kids radical improvements in grades and ACT/SAT scores). I don't think Hoke would give Standifer the hook, since he has been playing well apparently, but the fact that spots are tight and higher ranked prospects are visting raises suspicions. We shouldn't turn a blind eye to things like this if they occur at UofM. We can't just criticize the SEC and TSIO and not hold ourselves to higher standards.
"considering I have never heard anything about his grades"
Which makes sense because, as a fan, you are not entitled to such knowledge because that would be a major breach in confidentiality.
Yes, the irony of it all. We are left wondering about such things when we can't legally ask and even if coaches/reporters/insiders wanted to provide us info about recruiting, they can't because it is illegal. Not saying that I want coaches to reveal us the grades of our recruits. My comment "I haven't heard" wasn't indicating that I would have such knowledge but that I would suspect if this was coming we would have heard a bit more about it through the rumor mill. Not necessarily true, since maybe no one wanted to leak anything until it was more certain that he wouldn't be able to qualify. It is just suspicious. That is all.
Let's try out your possible theory, that it is not grades. You think any coaching staff is not smart enough to dump a kid, whose hs teammate is a major recruit for next year, to possibly get some other guys.
Coach and staff have shown that they can't take border line guys no matter what, if they did, Burbridge would be in this class. I am sure they see the APR and know they have to get some solid classes before they can take chances with kids with possible grade issues.
I think it's very likely that you have the direction reversed. Rather than parting ways with Standifer because Wright and Reeves are visiting, I suspect that Wright and Reeves are visiting because the coaches knew/suspected that we would be parting ways with Standifer. (Plus, we might have taken one of those guys regardless of the numbers.)
As fans, we know very little about the timing of this stuff. When Michigan turned away Tommy Schutt, people freaked out about it, but we didn't know that a Pipkins commitment was imminent. The coaches know a lot more about these kids' situations than we do (thank God), and when we find out about something, it's often long after the coaches knew it.
Two more things about Standifer that make me think this is hardly suspicious, if at all:
(1) If Michigan actually pulled something funny here (i.e. if his grades are fine), Standifer and his HS coaches would have every reason to have a public fit about it to protect Standifer's name and college options. Maybe that's coming, but I seriously doubt it.
(2) I hadn't heard anything about Standifer's grades before, but he has had moments that caused people to raise eyebrows (more than for our other commits). For example, he said some pretty terrible and unnecessary things about his teammates at Nike's "The Opening" camp over the summer. Does this mean that his grades are bad? Absolutely not. At the same time, I can't say I was surprised to hear that he was the one having problems in school (whereas I would have been shocked if it had been Ross, Bolden, Kalis, Wilson, or almost any other commit in the class).
Ya, I tend to speculate too much or read into things too much. More evidence that nothing is amiss on Michigan's part is that hasn't affected Treadwell, and if Michigan had done something suspect, Treadwell's coach would not be pleased. Also, someone mentioned above that the coaches seemed to be planning on saving a spot for Wright anyways, regardless of the corners we have committed. I don't actually believe Hoke is doing anything questionable, as I have not seen anything from him but character and class, but just don't want to blindly turn an eye to morally apprehensible behavior by our coaches if it were occuring. Then we would be the SEC or TSIO.
Also, I don't think I got this across well, but the whole "grades" theme always seems to be a way for state that there is some red flag that might lead to trouble.
With all due respect, I am not sure how you are coming to your conclusions. AFAIK, Hoke has not released a commit to get someone better. If your theory were true, he would have already done this a while back when Standifer first committed (Reeves was rated higher).
Unless the recruit specifically says "They dumped me and I have no reason why" then I'd assume it was a mutual parting of ways. Hoke seems to have been fairly consistent in the "if you commit you have a spot". The committment, though, does not mean Hoke won't recruit other players at your same position (a la Drew Henson).
My guess is Standifer didn't like the competition developing at "his" spot and wanted to explore his options. Per Hoke's rules, that means you are no longer committed. My guess is if Standifer looks around and likes U of M better, and there is still a spot left, that he will be welcomed back.
Indignant ALL CAPS should also include proper grammar: *YOU'RE
...You can't have one without the other. :-)
If the kid wants to come he come. Same with any of our recruits. If they want to go on a visit then they can. Just don't expect there to be an offer sitting when you get back. When you commit to some where. YOUR COMMITTED! if your visiting, all your doing is saving your spot. In hokes system, you either have a spot or you don't. You know your place. Stop this two way street crap. Reeves isn't committed to psu if he's shopping around
1. Get Yuri
2. Get Armani
Countess. Wright. Reeves.
I can hope right?
Was just bout to post this same exact thing. Man it'd be nice to get Wright and Reeves.
Hope this doesn't hurt the relationship with Treadwell
That part is worrying me as well! Treadwell seems to be the real deal
Treadwell just tweeted that it wouldn't affect his choice, and also texted to me that he's "still going to look at every school the same." I get the feeling he likes Michigan a lot regardless.
all those super-credible kevin sumlin to illinois rumors must've gotten him excited about other schools
yuri time :)
Damn. I was excited about having a big corner roaming one side of the field. C'est la vie...next man up.
Yuri Wright is a big corner who is (arguably) more polished and college ready. If we land at least Wright out of the two (Wright and Reeves), I'm not too upset about this
Most reports I hear about Wright say that you can't deny his talent, but that he needs to be coached up. This includes first hand reports of people who say that he is just a better athlete than everyone else on the field and makes plays based on talent instead of fundamentals. He almost sounds like a Dorsey, where his talent can't be ignored, and his high rating is based on his ceiling instead of college readiness.
I went to Yuri's game last week. Definitely needs to be coached up. No way in Hades does he see time on defense next year ala Countess.
On to the next one.
Could mean he knows something about other DB's coming and is exploring his options.
He may be concerned about future playing time.
Just a guess.
Well...that just happened...
I thought he wad visiting this week? I may be wrong though...
You're thinking of Armani Reeves, possibly?
But on the bright side...Molk won the Rimington, yayyyy.
I feel bad for a kid if it is in fact grades that keeps him from going to a school he wants to go to. I wish him well and obviously hope that he succeeds elsewhere(as long as it's not against Michigan!)
I thought we were over doing it with bringing in 6 total DBs if Wright were to commit. If we still get him we are still set numbers wise at DB, and could potentially save a scholly for next year or add another bigtime prospect this year.
Plus, a knock on standifer was that he didn't have great speed. After seeing what happened to Cullen Christian, I don't like the idea of recruiting corners that don't have elite speed. And that's my 2 cents.
I second that!
Good luck kid. It's better for both he looks elsewhere. That way he is going to a school where he is going to qualify. Nothing worse than finding out a recruit didn't make it before summer camp starts.
ANY athlete who passes NCAA clearinghouse that a coach really wants will get into Michigan.
It may simply be that he's close enough to not passing clearinghouse and not being eligible for any DI school, and that the coaches aren't willing to risk holding the spot.
Another possibility is that Hoke has a different approach and wants kids who are academically succeeding well about NCAA clearinghouse levels, but the admissions office will not prevent a student from attending who has no crime record and who has passed clearinghouse without a bunch of fishy online classes.
The difference between UM and Alabama when it comes to admissions is that UM might take 5-10 football players who are near clearinghouse minimums (or at least, nowhere near standard, non-athlete admits), while Alabama would be willing to take 28 (though they do attract some kids who do decently in the classroom as well).
Not true. Dorsey met eligibility requirements. RichRod really wanted him. The Admissions Department denied Dorsey admissions.
According to his twitter, this won't affect Treadwell's decision.
Successful_Quon: Anthony's decision doesnt affect my choice with the school i choose
This is an unfortunate turn of events. I wish him the best of luck wherever he ends up. The good thing is that we have great options to fill his spot.
Sucks for the kid if it was b/c of grades, but good for the class. This means we can take Wright/Reeves, an OL, another WR, a TE, and still have room for Dunn if he wants in. All needs: satisfied.
This is huge, getting him on campus.
Getting him on campus will only quicken the process.
No Fly Zone
It says he doesn't have an offer from us anymore. I really hope it is grades and us not doing anything. I don't want to play Ohio's games just because they have a new master in town.
I'm still holding out for Demar Dorsey part II. 2013 that is. O LET DO IT!
Yuri the Wright man for the job
That's a Bolden statement you're making. Perhaps your Kalis a bit premature.
Yuri the Wright man for the job
Totally not intentional :(
were the first B1G team to offer him and then his recruitment lit up quickly with many other schools. He will find a new home. Wishing him all the chance best.
Standifer has been a real roller coaster. He committed right about the time we were just learning that this coaching staff was going to be recruiting at a high level, and he brought an offer list that was not particularly impressive. I wasn't sure why a mostly under-the-radar middling three star when everyone seemed to want to go blue. But then he started making plays in his senior year, got offered by Notre Dame, and made me start thinking we got in early on a 6'1" sleeper corner.
So I have grown a bit excited to see what he can bring to the team (even if his speed limits him as a corner, he is a 6'1 ballhawk who gets praised for his run support). In addition to that Michigan's top DB targets seem like icing-on-the-cake types who either seem to good to be true or are committed to another team already, and Standifer is my "oh well" fall back if those two don't work out.
And now he's "back on the market".
this news is a bummer for sure.
Damn he was my favorite recruit coming in. This guy has great size and looks promising in his video. Wish him the best of luck he's going to be a good one.
Yes I live in Brentwood suburb outside Nashville
Still haven't found a good spot to watch Michigan games. How about you?
Let's call it what it is. More than likely it's a mutually beneficial parting of ways. Michigan gets Wright or Reeves; Anthony goes to a program where he'll be higher in the pecking order.
Look, I am sick and tired of hearing how hypocritical U of M coaches are in regards to commits and those recruits who are commited and taking visits. Hoke and his staff have clearly stated that if you commit and decide to take visits you are NOT considered a commit. This same principle applies to Michigan recruits as well as those that commit to other schools(my interpretation). Thus, if an individual commits to another school and wishes to visit Michigan, then they are not truly commited. I agree with this. You need to deal with it and knock off the theory that we are hipocrites. ENOUGH ALREADY. They have stated their position and it is consistent !!!!
Chill dude. The criticism isn't about Reeves visting and Hoke poaching recruits, but that Standifer would suddenly have "grade issues" when there hasn't been any mention of them before, we have few spots remaining, and two of our higher rated prospects are visting. It hasn't been said anywhere that Standifer took visits but has grade issues, so it kind of raises questions (that probably won't get answered). The hope is that Hoke isn't demanding committment but not returning it.
Something tells me word of that would get around pretty quickly if the coaches were pulling something like that. You'd also think Standifer would be pretty quick to defend himself. If there's smoke there's usually fire. It's too bad too as I was really excited about him being in the class. Best of luck to him.
Ya, exactly. That type of thing isn't viewed to highly by other high school coaches. There is significant evidence indicating that there was no foul play here: Treadwell doesn't seem to be harboring any ill-will (one could reasonably foresee that his coach wouldn't be so high on Michigan if it just dropped another one of his kids), as someone mentioned above there probably was going to be another spot for Wright anyways, and Hoke has shown hesitancy to recruit talented guys that are academically questionable (Pittman and Burbridge). I'm probably reading too much into it, but it is just kind of a bummer to see a kid go after you get excited about seeing him suit up for the Maize and Blue. Hopefully he can sort his grades out and land somewhere that can set him up to succeed.
Um, I don't hear anyone saying that about Hoke.
we hardly knew ya...
Well that kind of stinks. Hopefully everything still turns out well with him.
With another spot open, I'd really like to take another DL, but of course, I am also okay with the five recruits the coaches pick.
Here is an idea that hasn't been thrown out too much.. If we don't have enough elite guys why don't we just not fill all 28 slots and possible let a deserving guy like T. Robinson keep his scholly or slap one onto N. Brink? He very well may be the starting SDE next year.
9 months so we'll have some open spots if we take 28 guys regardless. Also new coaches usually like to bring in as much of their guys as they possibly can right away.
Joining JT in Honolulu!
I know he really loved Michigan. You always hate see people get pushed out because of academic issues or other things. Best of luck to him.
Has he committed somewhere else? He was one that was about a commit but for whatever the reason, he didnt. Rumors were that the coaches told him no or something like that.
I think Standifer's going to be a good college football player. Unfortunately, it won't be for Michigan. It's slightly disappointing because I would like Michigan to have a big corner to match up against some of the Big Ten's good-sized wide receivers. Maybe Yuri Wright can fill that role if he commits.
Maybe he caught wind of a possible Yuri Wright Commitment?
I really think that kid would have fit in Michigan and B1G real well. He was in my top 5 on the guys we have committed now.
Please don't take this as bashing Hoke, I'm not.... I love the guy and think he will have a healthy run here in Michigan.
I have two friends who I play minor league football with that played college ball at Indiana State (They were 1 year a part) that had full rides to Ball State. Right before signing day Hoke pulled their Schollys for a potentially better player. Needless to say they are not big Hoke fans, so I get bashed a lot. I'm a Michigan fan above everything... we could have Urban Myer and I would still bleed blue.
Is this a common practice with coaches on recruiting players? Is it ethical to pull schollys because you feel player B is better than A?
Oh both players are extremely smart and graduated and one is currently in Grad school, so it probably wasn't a grade issue.
The thing I don't get is why people assume that the mutual parting of the ways is due to his grades. With respect to this kid, these assumptions should not be made. Unless someone has confirmation from him, or the coaches, it is unfair to assume this.
The kid may have excellent grades and had a change of heart and wanted to look around and because of Hoke's policy on commits, they had to part ways. Maybe instead of sneaking off to Oregon or some other school for a visit, he was upfront with the coaches about wanting to take more visits and this caused the mutual split.
My point is, we should assume its grades, and everyone making those assumptions are wrong for doing so.
Getting Yuri Wright to enroll at and succeed at Michigan might open a door to one of the top prep football programs in the country for Michigan’s coaches. Don Bosco Prep (Ramsey, NJ) is the first school to have four players from the same team invited to play in the Army All-American Bowl.
Among the other players from Bergen County New Jersey joining the Don Bosco Four in the HS All-American Bowl game is former Michigan prospect, Devin Fuller, the QB/DB from Northern Valley Regional HS (Old Tappan, NJ) who became the first player from his high school to be invited to play in the Army All-American Bowl since Newark (NJ) Mayor Cory Booker.