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1 day 19 hours ago "No Guns" is not a core

"No Guns" is not a core value.

3 weeks 3 hours ago He'd do better if he would

He'd do better if he would get personally involved.

3 weeks 8 hours ago      

 

 

 

3 weeks 4 days ago How about if we give them the

How about if we give them the benefit of a doubt because nothing has been proven yet?

All the article says is that they are "linked" to something called a molotov cocktail, which as described, isn't a molotov cocktail. The government makes mistakes all the time and as the prosecutor of Duke's lacrosse team showed, and as the IRS is currently showing, sometimes government does things because it has malicious agents.

3 weeks 4 days ago It's considered a

It's considered a "destructive device."

3 weeks 5 days ago I'm not sure what you think

I'm not sure what you think I'm just "making up" but I disagree with several of your points.

Mallett was a very good college QB. Getting drafted higher by the NFL is irrelevant to success at the college level. Player A can be much better in college than player B and be worse in the NFL if he is less able to contend with the speed of the NFL. I do contend that Mallett behind M's OL in 2008 would be less successful than Denard Robinson, with 3 years experience as a starter, operating behind M's 2011 OL. Also, Molk proved his ability over the years but in 2008 he was far from the dominating player he became. We'll never know how Gardner would have performed if he had been been thrown into games as a starter in 2011. He surprised most people with his performance when he had to start in 2012, Maybe we would have been surprised a year earlier under different circumstances.

I don't list Kovacs as "depth." He was a vitally important starter. He excelled as a strong safety and would have started on many of M's teams. One of the great frustrations for me over the years has been watching poor tackling by M's defense. Would you rather have Shazor or Kovacs on the field when you had to have your safety make a stop?

I don't understand your point about Countess. Yes, he was a freshman but we have numerous examples of freshmen excelling at CB: Woodson and Ty Law to name a couple. The irrefutable fact is he stepped up and performed well when called to do so.

My criticism of the 2008 personnel doesn't focus on the defense. The DL and DBs were stocked with good players. But, do you really want to argue that Ezeh and Mouton consistently performed well that year? I will grant that a significant part of the problem on D lay with the coaching staff. I've never said they were great. (Although I have noted that they got much better play from Ryan Mundy and Stevie Brown than other M coaches ever did). But part of the problem with Ezeh and Mouton was mental.

Finally, I don't claim that LC, if he had stayed (along with Mallett, Boren and Arrington), would have finished 3-9. I do think he would have had a losing record. Without the cost of a transition in systems it wouldn't be as bad as 3-9, but I have no doubt that whoever coached M in 2008 was going to have a losing record.

3 weeks 6 days ago By 2011 Michigan had capable

By 2011 Michigan had capable or better players at every position and depth:

QB: The all-time leading rushing QB (a 3 year starter) and a 5* backup who is now showing that he deserved his ranking.

RB: OK, we're still weak here since Dee Hart decommitted.

OL: 4 quality starters including guys who would be All American (Lewan), a Rimington winner (Molk), All Big 10 (Omameh and honorable mention Barnum). You could have had Will Campbell at the other OT or Hyuge or Schofield. (Too bad Jake Fisher decommitted. He got playing time at Oregon).

WR: Gallon and a couple of possession receivers. It should be noted that possession receivers are more useful when there is actually an OL in front of the QB.

That's a much stronger offense than RR inherited.

On defense, as you recognize we were solid on the DL and at LB, but  you sell the DBs short. Kovacs, Countess, Woolfolk, Raymon Taylor, Floyd, Thomas Gordon and Avery give you enough backs that you aren't dead if a couple of injuries hurt.

So, yeah, you could write that but it wouldn't accurately portray the situation. A coach who didn't feel obliged to prove he could win throwing the balll in a windstorm could have done better than 11-2 with what RR left behind.

 

3 weeks 6 days ago Bo never had a losing season

Bo never had a losing season either, but he went 6-6 in 1984. That team and its schedule were much more favorable to a winning season than what Michigan had in 2008.

I assumed that Mallett and Arrington stayed and played in 2008 in reaching my conclusion. Without Mallett you're trying to win with ThreetSheridan. Good luck.

3 weeks 6 days ago I'm quite sure.

You actually sell LC a bit short. He also left 2 very good OL behind, Schilling and Boren and a couple of decent (when not injured) RBs. Let's assume Mallett and Arrington would stay (Although things written on Mgoblog about RM's relationship with the coaches and his teammates make that questionable and I think AA was going to leave since his stock was unlikely to go higher than it was after his incredible bowl performance).

So, whoever coached in 2008 was going to have an offense with two linemen, a good but immobile QB and three possession WRs. Manningham was gone in any case and Carr gets the blame for not replacing him. That offense was going to be terrible regardless whether LC stayed or Les Miles (our savior!) was the coach.

You're absolutely right that the starting DL and DBs were good (and Brandon Graham is one of the all time greats), but there was little depth and the LBs were awful.

To sum up: an awful offense combined with a defense that is at best "decent" leads to a losing season - and that assumes that Mallett stays.

No coach could have succeeded with that team.

Side note: it's amusing to see Stevie Brown listed as an asset left behind by LC. He was considered a joke on this board before RR's staff found him a position and coached him up.

4 weeks 1 day ago I mean he left behind a

I mean he left behind a smoking crater when he left. No coach could have succeeded with the team he left behind.

4 weeks 1 day ago Lloyd Carr destroyed the

Lloyd Carr destroyed the winning percentage.

4 weeks 2 days ago Credit to Buckeye Planet

They tagged this as "art schlichter's idol"

5 weeks 1 hour ago You're right about Penn

You're right about Penn State, Rutgers and Maryland recruiting NJ heavily. Michigan has pulled some great players from the state as well:

Gil Chapman, Garvie Craw, Larry Gustafson, Dwight and Ivan Hicks, Victor Hobson, Butch Woolfolk and Anthony LaLota all went to high school in NJ.

7 weeks 1 day ago Not in California.

Not in California.

7 weeks 1 day ago Great. A chance for someone

Great. A chance for someone to explain HOTTT.

Google and Bing offer nothing.

As used by Brian today: "because it's part of the college experience to show up in the second quarter with HOTTT on your ass barely able to walk."

7 weeks 1 day ago It makes a big difference.

Now we have something else to argue about.

8 weeks 6 hours ago Devin Funchess, AJ Williams,

Devin Funchess, AJ Williams, and Jake Butt disagree with you.

8 weeks 3 days ago Be careful what you wish for.

Be careful what you wish for.

9 weeks 6 days ago It's hard to root for your

It's hard to root for your team when they're not in the game.

 

If the game had been Indiana v. Alabama, I would have been rooting against Alabama harder than I would be rooting for Michigan.

10 weeks 3 days ago Apparently this has come up before.

Here's an article with citations to the rules:

http://www.rockmnation.com/2012/2/19/2810052/inside-the-ncaa-basketball-...

It was a charge.

10 weeks 4 days ago haha true.

haha true.

10 weeks 6 days ago No.

No.

11 weeks 3 hours ago Again?

Again?

11 weeks 6 hours ago JK

I wasn't seriously suggesting that consideration should be given to moving a starting LB to QB.

11 weeks 1 day ago Who was our Heisman candidate

Who was our Heisman candidate in 2009?

11 weeks 1 day ago Desmond Morgan.

Desmond Morgan.

12 weeks 1 day ago Cincinnati?

It seems to me that most people who are going to make the commitment that is required of a walk-on would want to play on Saturday.

Oh well, it's his life.

Edit: Also, a full scholarship is better than in-state tuition.

12 weeks 6 days ago The "wolf" position

Your description of the position is different than my recollection of it. The greatest at the position was Don Dufek, Jr., who was named an All American safety. I think of the position as a combination LB-safety.

13 weeks 3 hours ago Math is hard.

Math is hard.

13 weeks 2 days ago Diana Moon Glampers thanks

Diana Moon Glampers thanks you for the Vonnegut reference.

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