PSA: Personal Covid aftermath.
Dear Mr. person with no expertise.
To all the non medical internet experts on here
They can go F@#k themselves.
We have come out of the bad side of the Covid deal as my wife (52 yr old) has nodules on her lungs and reduced lung capacity. Eight weeks of constant care and we were lucky.
Just like the flu? F@#k yourself.
I need a haircut! F@#k yourself.
I saw a study... F@#k yourself.
Yea but there is..F@#k yourself.
It is not as bad as...F@#k yourself.
We need to restart the.F@#k yourself.
I read on a blog..F@#k yourself.
Your wife's PTSD of going out in public or to the Dr. is just......F@#k yourself.
So yeah. That is where I am at.
Anyway, I hope you are all staying safe and loving those you live with and those in your community.
I have emotions right now, forgive me.
Sorry to hear she's not doing well. I hope she improves and I hope your family can physically and mentally return to your normal at some point.
Appreciate it. Just tired of the noise.
Anyone else on here that has struggled or lost someone. I am here for you.
Glad to hear your wife is on the mend and hope she is soon at 100%!
Yeah, sorry for your troubles, but telling the whole world to “fuck itself” because of those problems isn’t really necessary.
Define whole world in relation to my post.
Ok, telling everyone who has a different opinion to go fuck themselves isn’t really a good look either.
I am sorry to hear about your wife. I actually lost two amazing grandparents (96 years old, both had cancer, but the disease killed them within 72 hours of symptoms appearing). But, I also feel for my friend who has an autistic son who has just seen 3 years of progress in life development undone in a single month of being isolated and off of routine. And for my friend who saved for 15 years working 60 hours a week to start a restaurant that he just decided he cannot hold onto and is not doing instacart deliveries to put food on his table. And also my own school age boys who are suffering badly from being isolated from their friends.
It’s not so one-sided.
You typed that whole thing based on different opinion? Seriously?
Go fuck yourself. Hey, this is kinda fun!
The OP isn't saying fuck you to the people you mention -- the ones struggling to make a living. Everyone feels for them. He's saying fuck you to the people who argue that the virus is "no big deal" and "will just go away" and is "a hoax." He's saying fuck you to the people who think they know more than the actual, you know, experts. Those are the people who will get others sick and killed.
If things hadn't closed down and the virus was just running rampant, your friend wouldn't have a restaurant then either.
Maybe I have a different reading than you, but the post was basically criticizing everyone who relies on pseudo-science and conspiracy-theory bullshit to justify why they want to put others in danger for small creature comforts. Obviously everyone feels for individuals who are hurting financially, emotionally, physically, etc. as a result of the lockdown. But even with these extreme measures 70k+ people are dead and about 2500-3k are expected to die daily for some indeterminate time into the future. Businesses like restaurants would have been adversely affected regardless. Parents would have voluntarily not sent their kids (parents were doing that around here even before the official closure of schools). I know it's hard at times but the "enemy" here is a virus, not how people are trying to mitigate its impact on people's lives. And in this case I don't think telling people who, for example, constantly post around here absolutely bugnuts ideas that they're stupid and part of the problem is a bad thing. I sort of doubt they are even self aware enough to notice.
Yeah, sorry for our troubles, but..F@#k yourself.
I'm sorry you went through such a terrible time and can understand your anger, especially towards those that seem to lack empathy. With time, I hope you and your wife feel better physically, psychologically, emotionally and spiritually.
Try not to let the anger consume you, it's a stage of healing from any trauma, but the sooner you can be free of it, the sooner you can move on to more pleasant experiences.
As someone who has struggled with major depressive disorder throughout my adult life, I can understand some of what you may be feeling (anger, resentment, isolation, confusion, hopelessness). It will pass and you will have brighter days in the future, and the universe is not your enemy, although it may feel that way right now.
I’m sorry you were so adversely affected. My thoughts to you and I hope she improves.
Sorry to hear that there are lasting health issues—what I've read over the past several weeks indicates this virus can create havoc all over the body even if somebody survives.
Was your wife in the ICU and/or ventilated?
No need to apologize as far as I'm concerned.
Our Dr.'s suggested home care was better for her unless she was in distress. Safer environment than a hospital for the time we were infected. We had a blood oxygen measuring (pulse) device and a nebulizer for respiratory care due to her asthma. I also performed PT similar to CF patients to help clear her lungs.
I approve of this message. The economy will recover. Everyone’s long hair won’t kill them. But you can’t get back your loved one or your health from this.
Well, there is shit you can't get back. A friend of mine was supposed to get married last month and his grandmother died and now will never see it. This shit effects everyone in some way or another. I don't wish ill on anyone else, but I don't think it's anyone's place to pass judgement on who's right and who's wrong with what they value most. Maybe someone's worried about their wife or parents health whereas someone else is worried about their job and livelihood. Both people have the right to do what's needed to protect themselves. Who are we to judge them?
I am sure it is easier to get another job, haircut, shiny rock, vs a lost or injured loved one. Slippery slope arguments included. I guess it is based on a weighted scale of value.
Point is it's not your place to evaluate what should or shouldn't be most important to other people and you shouldn't expect them to put your families needs ahead of their own.
You seem to think this is about one person vs another. Your post is about one selfish POV vs another's. But in society, people have either have a “we” point of view or a “me” point of view. We understand yours from your post.
Yes, you should expect that. That's what civilization is.
A friend of mine was supposed to get married last month and his grandmother died and now will never see it.
I'm sorry to hear this. But in the big picture, if we hadn't done this social distancing there would be probably significantly more beloved grandparents passing away than there have been.
Is this actually true?
I think a lot of grandparents are dying at home of heart attacks and strokes because they are afraid to go to the hospital.
Despite the fact that the hospitals are empty and could easily take them in.
I think a lot of grandparents are dying in nursing homes because instead of focusing our resources on protecting them, we focused on scaring everyone into thinking that anyone of any age was likely to die from this at any time.
I think we killed lots of grandparents by sending COVID19 positive patients INTO NURSING HOMES.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/24/us/nursing-homes-coronavirus.html
I think telling people to remain in apartment buildings where they live with their elderly parents and grandparents likely killed a lot of those people due to increased viral loads. Because home is where most transmissions occur.
By focusing on all of society shutdowns due to doom porn models, we likely killed off large numbers of the elderly and threw ourselves into recession when a more sensible approach would have been general social distancing of the population and a focus on protecting the elderly.
The worst part is this was apparent from the beginning. Age was the leading indicator of who this affected. But the "experts" instead focused on scare tactics instead of rationality.
ScooterTooter - please tell me that you did not go to Michigan.
I know someone who went ahead with a wedding in early March despite the risks. My 30 year old former neighbor caught the virus there and is basically a vegetable now. He was totally healthy other than being overweight, and he’s been in a medically induced coma on a ventilator for over a month. Other attendees were hospitalized with COVID-19, and at least one elderly attendee died, to my knowledge.
I realize that your friend’s grandmother had to miss a major life event, but the wedding could have been the event that killed her, or any of their friends and family. I’m not sure what your argument is—that we should be having weddings during a pandemic? Why? How is that better?
It seems to me that shutting down the economy is the price we pay for keeping people safe and not pushing the hospital system to its limit. People are going to experience hardship, but it’s nothing compared to the alternative. The measures we’ve taken so far feel draconian, but compared to what many other countries have done, they look like the bare minimum.
GOD BLESS YOU BROTHER!!!
Wow. I am sorry to hear this and hope she will be OK.
Sorry to hear this. God speed and good luck to you both.
I’m very sorry to hear this
I am hoping to clarify the lung nodules? This is not a reported finding with Covid 19. Is it nodules or is it areas of pulmonary fibrosis?
Nodules in this case involves a mass of unknown origin. Internet MD says covid all the way to cancer. I will let the Dr.'s tell us.
Also my wife and I have never smoked anything in our lives, but our parents were both chain smokers.
I’m very sorry. but this sounds like it could be something other than Covid, and Covid symptoms led to an imaging study which led to the discovery of something else.
whatever is going on, I wish your wife and your family the best and fingers crossed for a full recovery.
How do you explain that based on not knowing her previous xrays showed nothing.
How do you explain that based on not knowing her previous xrays showed nothing.
I don’t know your wife’s history.
all I know is that nodules and masses are not reported in the literature as Covid.
Actually, this is exactly what we have been seeing. Many places have been use in’s chest X-rays to see if you qualify for a COVID test as the longs are unmistakably impacted and lower O2 levels are a very clear symptom. Many patients have continued to have lung, heart and Kidney issues after the rest of the symptoms have passed. The reality is we don’t know what all the long term impacts of this disease will be, but so far this is consistent with many other patients.
You immediately want to explain this away as something else without any facts or data. It’s psychological. But it’s wrong. It’s no different then those people that want to explain that there may be more Covid positive cases than have been reported but they on the other hand don’t want to accept that there are more covid deaths than have been reported.
"there are more covid deaths than have been reported." Really? How can you possibly know that? Are you aware that the CDC has instructed medical personnel to report deaths as Covid related if there is any possibility that the virus was present? They are doing so even without any testing of the deceased. Morticians in NYC are expressing doubt that all cases are properly classified. In one case, a doubting relative had an autopsy performed and no covid was found. It is suspected that the actual cause of death was improper intubation by the nursing home. So tell us about your science based conclusion.
Couple points:
1. Do you see the irony of using an anecdote in your post, then blaming someone else for not backing up their assertion with science
2. Speaking of backing up assertions, maybe you could do it with the assertion about CDC reporting guidelines. Here is what I found with a quick search.
“I don’t think in any case are we over-estimating the deaths due to COVID-19. I think most likely we’re underestimating and in some cases we may be underestimating by a lot,” Bob Anderson, who heads the mortality statistics branch at the CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics, told us by phone. Anderson noted that medical examiners’ offices in the hard-hit state of New York are overwhelmed, and that the state has had an increase in unattended deaths in which COVID-19 was a likely factor, but no tests were available to confirm.
“We’re not asking [health care providers] to write [COVID-19] down for everyone who was possibly exposed. We’re asking only if the patient showed symptoms, and they’re reasonably certain” the patient had the disease, Anderson told us. “When the evidence tells you that COVID-19 was the likely cause of death then you should report it as the likely cause of death, whether you have a lab test or not. And medical examiners, physicians, and coroners are trained to make these determinations.”
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cdc-guidelines-covid19/
I’m gonna go out on a limb and suggest that the head of the mortality statistics branch at the CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics has a better understanding of the reporting guidelines than you do.
3. One way to look at the question is to look at excess deaths vs covid reported deaths
That seems consistent with the belief that Covid deaths are under reported.
4. Do you trust the flu death numbers? This dr explains how much less rigorous the flu death numbers are than the Covid numbers.
Eagerly awaiting your non-anecdote based argument as to why those many experts who seem to believe that if anything, Covid deaths are under reported are wrong.
Point 3: Or the deaths occurring at home are due to people not going to the hospital for other things because they are scared to do so.
People were supposed to die of other things because the hospitals were overwhelmed. Instead they are dying while hospitals are empty because they were scared into staying home.
They're going to now attribute those deaths to covid as well. Just wait.
1. I gave a specific example of a death that was incorrectly attributed to covid. Hopefully, that will lead you to question whether there might be others, rather than blindly accepting what the government tells you. If cases are being listed as covid deaths when the death is due to something else that means there is an over-counting. How's that for science?
2. The federal bureaucrat who is responsible for the innaccurate counting tells you that they are doing everything correctly. I'm shocked. If you had written that he has more incentive to mislead than I do you would have been correct. Here's a pro tip: if you make an appeal to authority, you should reference someone with credibility. Your citation to Snopes makes it likely that it's untrue. As frequently happens with Snopes they include information that shows they are wrong. They include the guidelines that tell officials to make sure everything that can possibly be counted as a covid death is counted that way: "In cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID–19 cannot be made . . . it is acceptable to report COVID–19 on a death certificate as ‘probable’ or ‘presumed.’"
3. Scooter Tooter has pointed out your error here.
4. I'm not sure why you included this non sequitur.
The experts told us 2.2 million Americans were going to die from this. When are you going to stop blindly accepting everything they say?
2.2 million would die from this IF WE DID NOTHING. Amazing how the small details left out can completely change things.
Yeah, the models are really reliable.
That's why a single model will change it's prediction of death's by 30% in a single day.
My mom is 83 and has been recovering from Covid-19 for more than two months now. She's a very "young" 83, and luckily after an absolutely miserable first couple of weeks, she had been dealing with just some lingering symptoms.
But this week she had pain in her upper side, got an inconclusive chest x-ray, an inconclusive blood test, and finally a CAT scan which showed some fluid in the lining, but they don't know exactly what it is. It seems like she'll be fine, but with this disease they don't know much of anything yet, and that's the freaking point. So yeah, I am worried.
Sorry that you and your wife are suffering through this. And I feel your "f@#k yourself" position. It seems that there are many, many people in the country who just don't give a shit about anyone else, and prefer to embrace ignorance or conspiracy theories while 2000+ Americans die every day. Very sad to see. On top of the misery inflicted by this disease, it is revealing other social illnesses.
This is what worries me most about the disease. I feel like my immediate family would probably survive, but we all have lung issues (even the kids), and the prospect of losing 50% of our lung capacity isn't very appealing.
Eat shit dude, I feel for your situation but not everybody shares the same opinions as you. We all have different circumstances for how we are dealing with this. Just take a big ol bag of shit and eat it. Every last turd. Eat them all.
I am a Michigan fan, I have endured worse than you.