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OT: Scouting the enemy. OSU Spring game on BTN now

Title pretty much says it all. It looks like it will be a real spring game, too. Urban Meyer has apparently said that the losing team must walk home. 

Let's see what that Oregon-like offense looks like. 

 
 

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April 21st, 2012 at 1:38 PM | that competition was sweet (Score:2 Normal)
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that competition was sweet

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April 21st, 2012 at 1:50 PM | Insert paying players joke (Score:3 Normal)
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Insert paying players joke here.

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April 21st, 2012 at 1:45 PM | Even the Star Spangled Banner (Score:5 Normal)
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Even the Star Spangled Banner sounds wrong when the Buckeyes play it.

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April 21st, 2012 at 1:45 PM | Gross. (Score:4 Normal)
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Gross.

Michigan: 903–315–36 (Best in NCAA)
vs Ohio State: 58-44-6
vs Notre Dame: 23-16-1
vs MSU:  68-32-5
vs B1G: 522-197-24
vs SEC:  20-8-1
vs PAC 12: 48-24-1
vs Big 12: 10-5-1<

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April 21st, 2012 at 1:45 PM | I hope it continues to rain (Score:1 Normal)
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I hope it continues to rain in that dump and every person in there become wet rats.

When the ADept sells special jerseys and gear, you'll see my picture next to the targeted customer crowd. A sheep.....but a Blue one.....

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April 21st, 2012 at 1:48 PM | They are already rats, so (Score:5 Normal)
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They are already rats, so they'll just be wet.  This includes my two cousins that are currently OSU students. Fuck 'em.

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April 21st, 2012 at 2:27 PM | I hope the coolers don't (Score:5 Normal)
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I hope the coolers don't start overflowing from all this rain.

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April 21st, 2012 at 3:41 PM | Good point, a plunger (Score:2)
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Good point, a plunger wouldn't work in this case.

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April 21st, 2012 at 1:47 PM | fyi (Score:5 Normal)
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The Notre Dame spring game is on NBC Sports, as well. I can't believe I'm voluntarily switching back and forth between the two. 

A Møøse once bit my sister. No realli!

 

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April 21st, 2012 at 1:49 PM | The circle jerk in the O (Score:2 Normal)
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Reminds me of south park...."back to the pile"

UM vs osu 2011 bring your keys and make noise (get it keys!)

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April 21st, 2012 at 1:50 PM | Wellll....   (Score:2)
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Wellll....

 

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April 21st, 2012 at 1:51 PM | Hopefully this is like our (Score:3 Normal)
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Hopefully this is like our "unstoppable Spring game offenses."

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April 21st, 2012 at 1:54 PM | Offense looks legitimately (Score:3 Normal)
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Offense looks legitimately good at this point. I doubt they will have much trouble being at least good at the spread in their first year, unlike RR.

Obviously execution won't be close to 100% at this point, but they won't be a trainwreck at the very least. Dunn looks pretty good also.

COYS and lets go Detroit FC!

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April 21st, 2012 at 1:54 PM | Having Braxton Miller instead (Score:5 Normal)
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Having Braxton Miller instead of Steven Threet probably helps.

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April 21st, 2012 at 2:48 PM | Their offense does seem (Score:3 Normal)
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Their offense does seem pretty solid but at the same time their pass coverage looks weak

If Ann Arbor is a whore, why didn't you get in?

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April 21st, 2012 at 4:52 PM | Do they look like Oregon? (Score:2 Normal)
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It seems strange to me that a 2x national champ legend wants to imitate Oregon. Is his genious that he knows who to copy, or is he an innovator?

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April 21st, 2012 at 5:29 PM | A lot of injured LBs, so a (Score:1 Normal)
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A lot of injured LBs, so a lot of inexperience over the middle.

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April 21st, 2012 at 1:54 PM | I can save you the trouble. (Score:3 Normal)
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I can save you the trouble.  The OL is weak and slow, which makes the DL look fantastic even though they suck, and the DBs get lucky every once in a while because the WRs don't know the routes.  Oh yeah, and they all put on bad weight.

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April 21st, 2012 at 1:55 PM | QB's and Dunn looks solid so (Score:1)
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QB's and Dunn looks solid so far...

The Michigan difference...

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April 21st, 2012 at 1:56 PM | I'll be honest, Braxton (Score:3 Normal)
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I'll be honest, Braxton Miller scares the shit out of me.  He might not have DR's top end speed, but I think he's more elusive.

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April 21st, 2012 at 2:00 PM | I've always thought Denard's (Score:5 Normal)
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I've always thought Denard's elusivity was one of the best in the nation, and a bit overshadowed by his speed. You could always count on him to make at least one guy miss, though it didn't always matter last year as he rarely got in space. Braxton is close, which in and of itself is scary, but he's not more elusive imo.

COYS and lets go Detroit FC!

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April 21st, 2012 at 4:44 PM | elusivity (Score:2 Normal)
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elusiveness

“True loyalty is that quality of service that grows under adversity and expands in defeat. Any street urchin can shout applause in victory, but it takes character to stand fast in defeat. One is noise — the other, loyalty.”

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April 22nd, 2012 at 8:49 AM | Maybe I should say "general (Score:1)
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Maybe I should say "general sense of when to run" instead of elusive. Love me some Denard but it often pains me to see slower guys have such a better sense of when to just take off and get the gimme yards instead of tossing a jump ball into triple coverage. Also, I think elusive does kind of apply as Denard also tends to want to blow past everyones shoulder as opposed to angles or knowing that sometimes slowing down in the open field can throw a slower guy off balance allowing for more yards. Again, he plants and truly runs so hard it looks painful and its straight-line forward even if its right by a defenders shoulder. He thinks he can just run faster than they can react even when in front of him. Sometimes he can but very often not. Sure, he sometimes "wiggles" but its almost always been within a few yards of the LOS and before getting tackled or said plant and painful looking runs ending in a TD or more often a 10ish yard run that should have gone much further if he had that sense I clearly cannot explain well in my sleep deprived state. haha

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April 21st, 2012 at 2:29 PM | I don't think he's more (Score:5 Normal)
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I don't think he's more elusive, but he's bigger and can break tackles more easily.

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April 21st, 2012 at 2:31 PM | Denard is a stright blur, my (Score:3 Normal)
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Denard is a stright blur, my friend. B. Miller is elusive, but not enough to pass/run for 1500 yards + in a single season.

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April 21st, 2012 at 4:07 PM | this. said it all last year. (Score:1 Flamebait)
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this. said it all last year. we will grow to hate miller the way we hated Smith. not top end speed guys but smart and elusive where Denard is just plant foot and run forward really fast. I'll take speed and elusiveness over dilithium and less wiggle (or knowing when to take off for easy yards) any day. Miller will be scary good in that offense and thats not fear, just fact. glad he burned a year under a terrible staff last year.

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April 21st, 2012 at 5:57 PM | Braxton just gives me the (Score:2 Normal)
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Braxton just gives me the Troy Smith heebeejeebees where we can outplay them, contain them, and just about sack them for 20 yard losses, but his legs would carry him to a dodge tackle and broken play salvation 30 yards downfield.  Smith was easily the most frustrating Buckeye I've ever dealt with.  Just hope Miller doesn't improve his abysmal throwing.

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April 21st, 2012 at 8:02 PM | FWIW, Meyer coached Tebow and (Score:2)
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FWIW, Meyer coached Tebow and Alex Smith who aren't quite Stafford, Rogers, or Brady. I think Miller's development as a QB is going to take a back seat to his ability to run the offense. I think he will improve, but I don't think he will lighting it up for 3000+. DG on the other hand....

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April 21st, 2012 at 1:55 PM | Already about 60 (Score:5 Normal)
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Already about 60 interceptions thrown in ND's spring game

 

 

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April 21st, 2012 at 1:59 PM | is Braxton facing the 2nd (Score:2 Normal)
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is Braxton facing the 2nd team D or something? It looks way to easy

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April 21st, 2012 at 2:13 PM | They "drafted" the teams (Score:1)
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So it is a mix of 1st and 2nd teamers.  Braxton is facing the Gray team Defense which includes

John Simon, Adam Bellamy, Garrett Goebel, and Steve Miller on the line

Etienne Sabino, Luke Roberts, and Josh Perry at LBs (Curtis Grant is out for preventive measures)

Bradley Roby, Corey Brown, Orhian Johnson, and Adam Griffin in the secondary

So Miller is facing an D-line with the best overall player in John Simon, a mediocre LB corp, and basically the 1st team secondary (minus Travis Howard).

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April 21st, 2012 at 2:18 PM | Defenses aren't allowed to (Score:1)
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Defenses aren't allowed to make contact with the QBs, so there's no real pressure.   On the other hand, Braxton's not allowed to run, so I suppose it evens out. 

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April 21st, 2012 at 2:30 PM | Ryan Shazier is going to be (Score:2)
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Ryan Shazier is going to be that defense's best player, in my opinion. He's a star in the making. That he played the whole game in increasingly poor shape due to injuries really helped last season.

It's all John Navarre's fault.

 

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April 21st, 2012 at 5:32 PM | Just to add to Scarlatina's (Score:2 Normal)
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Just to add to Scarlatina's info.- Simon didn't really play because Urban, quote "knows what he can do", so that took away from line strength, and Perry was out with injury as well.

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April 21st, 2012 at 3:08 PM | the spread ain't gonna work (Score:0 Normal)
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in the B1G.

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April 21st, 2012 at 2:00 PM | Braxton Miller looks like (Score:2 Normal)
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Braxton Miller looks like he'll be alright. Not wildly off target like last year. 

Go Blue!

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April 21st, 2012 at 2:01 PM | Miller with the exception of (Score:1)
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Miller with the exception of a single bad pass and a lack of check downs on some passes looks scary... He's going to be good now that he has good coaching.

The Michigan difference...

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April 21st, 2012 at 2:03 PM | Meyer (Score:2 Normal)
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can't handle mattison.

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April 21st, 2012 at 2:16 PM | This might be flamebait, but (Score:2 Normal)
Urban Warfare
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This might be flamebait, but Ohio State gave Mattison trouble with Jim Bollman calling the plays, and a video coordinator coaching Braxton.  What do you think is going to happen when they have a competent offensive coordinator and a real QB coach?

 

 

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April 21st, 2012 at 2:19 PM | That was an unusually good (Score:5 Normal)
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That was an unusually good game by OSU (predictable given the rivalry), and an unusually bad game by Michigan's defense. We both know weird things like that happen in rivalry games like that, I wouldn't take much from it if I were you.

COYS and lets go Detroit FC!

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April 21st, 2012 at 3:43 PM | What else do I have to take (Score:4 Normal)
Urban Warfare
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What else do I have to take away from last season?

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April 21st, 2012 at 9:42 PM | Oh ok.. (Score:5 Normal)
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I'll bite. What you have to take away from last season is that your program is dirty and everyone knows it.

 
"True loyalty is that quality of service that grows under adversity and expands in defeat. Any street urchin can shout applause in victory, but it takes character to stand fast in defeat. One is nois
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April 21st, 2012 at 2:20 PM | competent O Coord? You mean (Score:3 Normal)
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competent O Coord? You mean the guy from ISU? he was alright, but certainly wasn't a world beater. 

It was a nice game from braxton and all, but in all reality to blown plays from our D accounted for about 120 of those passing yards in that game.

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April 21st, 2012 at 2:23 PM | N=1 studies are the most (Score:5 Normal)
FreddieMercuryHayes
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N=1 studies are the most scientifically rigorous I hear.

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April 21st, 2012 at 2:40 PM | We also had 2 walk ons who started on defense last year. (Score:3 Normal)
Leaders And Best
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I think Ohio fans who discount Mattison have to also consider the talent we had on defense last year.  Kovacs and Heininger started their careers as walk-ons, and there were very few 4 & 5 star recruits who played significant time besides Mike Martin, Craig Roh, and Blake Countess.  Last year's team and possibly this year's team are the least talented Michigan teams that Ohio may face the next decade if Hoke continues to recruit like he has the last 2 years.

An upgrade in talent is way more valuable than any offensive coordinator.  Games are won with Jimmies and Joes, not X's and O's.  If the talent gap between Michigan and Ohio closes, then we will see how it plays out...

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April 21st, 2012 at 2:45 PM | Ohio fans trying to discredit (Score:3 Normal)
FreddieMercuryHayes
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Ohio fans trying to discredit Mattision are just trying to down play their own fears; his work so far speaks for itself. This is the exact thing some UM fans are doing about Meyer. It's stupid both ways.

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April 21st, 2012 at 2:52 PM | The biggest thing nobody is talking about (Score:1 Normal)
gobluegier
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is Mattison knows Urban and his offense better than anyone save maybe charlie strong. He is the absolute best d coordinator we could have against meyer. I, for one, am not worried.

 

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April 21st, 2012 at 3:07 PM | Just about everyone on this (Score:2 Normal)
MichiganExile
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Just about everyone on this board has made that observation including a comment below. It's probably overblown. Meyer knows Mattison's defense just as well as Mattison knows Meyer's offense. To say one has an advantage over the other is kind of illogical.

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April 21st, 2012 at 3:19 PM | It's more of an advantage (Score:1 Normal)
gobluegier
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than never having coached against it in practice everyday. That is the point I'm making. He's the best guy I can think of to defend an Urban offense. And he's ours.....

nick

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April 21st, 2012 at 3:20 PM | What I'm saying is it still (Score:2 Normal)
MichiganExile
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What I'm saying is it still doesn't make any sense. The best guy I can think of to attack Mattison's defense is Urban. And he's theirs....

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