that competition was sweet
OT: Scouting the enemy. OSU Spring game on BTN now
Insert paying players joke here.
Even the Star Spangled Banner sounds wrong when the Buckeyes play it.
I hope it continues to rain in that dump and every person in there become wet rats.
They are already rats, so they'll just be wet. This includes my two cousins that are currently OSU students. Fuck 'em.
The Notre Dame spring game is on NBC Sports, as well. I can't believe I'm voluntarily switching back and forth between the two.
Reminds me of south park...."back to the pile"
Hopefully this is like our "unstoppable Spring game offenses."
Offense looks legitimately good at this point. I doubt they will have much trouble being at least good at the spread in their first year, unlike RR.
Obviously execution won't be close to 100% at this point, but they won't be a trainwreck at the very least. Dunn looks pretty good also.
Having Braxton Miller instead of Steven Threet probably helps.
Their offense does seem pretty solid but at the same time their pass coverage looks weak
It seems strange to me that a 2x national champ legend wants to imitate Oregon. Is his genious that he knows who to copy, or is he an innovator?
A lot of injured LBs, so a lot of inexperience over the middle.
I can save you the trouble. The OL is weak and slow, which makes the DL look fantastic even though they suck, and the DBs get lucky every once in a while because the WRs don't know the routes. Oh yeah, and they all put on bad weight.
QB's and Dunn looks solid so far...
I'll be honest, Braxton Miller scares the shit out of me. He might not have DR's top end speed, but I think he's more elusive.
I've always thought Denard's elusivity was one of the best in the nation, and a bit overshadowed by his speed. You could always count on him to make at least one guy miss, though it didn't always matter last year as he rarely got in space. Braxton is close, which in and of itself is scary, but he's not more elusive imo.
I don't think he's more elusive, but he's bigger and can break tackles more easily.
Denard is a stright blur, my friend. B. Miller is elusive, but not enough to pass/run for 1500 yards + in a single season.
Braxton just gives me the Troy Smith heebeejeebees where we can outplay them, contain them, and just about sack them for 20 yard losses, but his legs would carry him to a dodge tackle and broken play salvation 30 yards downfield. Smith was easily the most frustrating Buckeye I've ever dealt with. Just hope Miller doesn't improve his abysmal throwing.
FWIW, Meyer coached Tebow and Alex Smith who aren't quite Stafford, Rogers, or Brady. I think Miller's development as a QB is going to take a back seat to his ability to run the offense. I think he will improve, but I don't think he will lighting it up for 3000+. DG on the other hand....
is Braxton facing the 2nd team D or something? It looks way to easy
So it is a mix of 1st and 2nd teamers. Braxton is facing the Gray team Defense which includes
John Simon, Adam Bellamy, Garrett Goebel, and Steve Miller on the line
Etienne Sabino, Luke Roberts, and Josh Perry at LBs (Curtis Grant is out for preventive measures)
Bradley Roby, Corey Brown, Orhian Johnson, and Adam Griffin in the secondary
So Miller is facing an D-line with the best overall player in John Simon, a mediocre LB corp, and basically the 1st team secondary (minus Travis Howard).
Defenses aren't allowed to make contact with the QBs, so there's no real pressure. On the other hand, Braxton's not allowed to run, so I suppose it evens out.
Ryan Shazier is going to be that defense's best player, in my opinion. He's a star in the making. That he played the whole game in increasingly poor shape due to injuries really helped last season.
Just to add to Scarlatina's info.- Simon didn't really play because Urban, quote "knows what he can do", so that took away from line strength, and Perry was out with injury as well.
in the B1G.
Braxton Miller looks like he'll be alright. Not wildly off target like last year.
Miller with the exception of a single bad pass and a lack of check downs on some passes looks scary... He's going to be good now that he has good coaching.
can't handle mattison.
This might be flamebait, but Ohio State gave Mattison trouble with Jim Bollman calling the plays, and a video coordinator coaching Braxton. What do you think is going to happen when they have a competent offensive coordinator and a real QB coach?
That was an unusually good game by OSU (predictable given the rivalry), and an unusually bad game by Michigan's defense. We both know weird things like that happen in rivalry games like that, I wouldn't take much from it if I were you.
What else do I have to take away from last season?
I'll bite. What you have to take away from last season is that your program is dirty and everyone knows it.
competent O Coord? You mean the guy from ISU? he was alright, but certainly wasn't a world beater.
It was a nice game from braxton and all, but in all reality to blown plays from our D accounted for about 120 of those passing yards in that game.
N=1 studies are the most scientifically rigorous I hear.
I think Ohio fans who discount Mattison have to also consider the talent we had on defense last year. Kovacs and Heininger started their careers as walk-ons, and there were very few 4 & 5 star recruits who played significant time besides Mike Martin, Craig Roh, and Blake Countess. Last year's team and possibly this year's team are the least talented Michigan teams that Ohio may face the next decade if Hoke continues to recruit like he has the last 2 years.
An upgrade in talent is way more valuable than any offensive coordinator. Games are won with Jimmies and Joes, not X's and O's. If the talent gap between Michigan and Ohio closes, then we will see how it plays out...
Ohio fans trying to discredit Mattision are just trying to down play their own fears; his work so far speaks for itself. This is the exact thing some UM fans are doing about Meyer. It's stupid both ways.
is Mattison knows Urban and his offense better than anyone save maybe charlie strong. He is the absolute best d coordinator we could have against meyer. I, for one, am not worried.
Just about everyone on this board has made that observation including a comment below. It's probably overblown. Meyer knows Mattison's defense just as well as Mattison knows Meyer's offense. To say one has an advantage over the other is kind of illogical.
than never having coached against it in practice everyday. That is the point I'm making. He's the best guy I can think of to defend an Urban offense. And he's ours.....
What I'm saying is it still doesn't make any sense. The best guy I can think of to attack Mattison's defense is Urban. And he's theirs....
Ultimately, we will not know until Novemeber. I'm just saying I'm more confident since we have Mattison in our back pocket.
The only main difference in this argument is that Mattison had a stint in the NFL where he picked up a bunch of new things. I've never seen a Mattison D runnthe zone blitzes he is now at a previous stop. Plus there's less to 'learn' about a person's D because it's more reactionary than anything
Plus, having our D chase around Denard in practice helps.
Called a way different game against Umich last year....we will be more prepared and Braxton Miller s training wheels won't suddenly be off
Mattison came through at the end of the game, when it mattered.
Your handle alone is flamebait. OSU caught Mattison off guard by going verticle against us, unlike they had done all year. Our secondary is much improved as is our linebacking, so my hope is to contain Miller better this year.
Mattison knows Meyer's offense like the back of his hand since he was Meyer's D coordinator for a couple of years. Nice advantage
Bring heat against spead.
They don't look bad. I wouldn't be surprised to see them in Indy. The leaders division sucks. Some are predicting Purdue to have a chance to win their division.
.... What are they gonna be doing in Indy?
Seriously? Indy? Have you even paid attention to the past year?
If they buy tickets they would be there I guess. I mean other than that I'm not sure how else they would get there.
They won't be in Indy because they broke the rules for years.
I would be extremely surprised to see them in Indy.
Edit: LOL guy got demolished, I thought I was the only one commenting but once I posted 4 others had as well.
Indy has a restraining order against them.
have you been paying attention to college football for the last few months, pal?
Is their band there?
Atkinson for ND looks good.
Not sure if serious. They can't go to Indy.
Watching the ND game....it drives me crazy that their Adidas uniforms actually fit properly. Ours have always looked sloppy and loose IMO. You would think the jersey would be the same or nearly the same cut, etc.
Give them that. Not much else about them has looked good for a long time.
Sorry, I'm dumb.
Any Wisconsin fan watching just had an unpleasant flashback.
Those of us at the game has the exact same "where's the line of scrimmage" question as we did back in October.
Wow their defense looks horrible. They get pressure, but it looks like the o-line just sucks. Along with that, they leave wide receivers wide open all the time
You can extrapolate nothing team-wise out of a spring game where 1's and 2's are mixed, the QB can't run and they are (probably) running watered down schemes on both sides. The only things you can really get out of it would take a close film breakdown of assignments when you know what they should be doing in the first place.
You are right there. I looked at a few boards last week and laughed about what people had to say about us. This is a practice and with less intensity than normal.
Miller is probably an All Big-10 type player at some point in his career. Maybe not this year, but next year he might be the best QB in the conference. That said, Guiton is terrible. OSU can make some noise this season, but not if Miller misses any time.
Is TP driving in the 500? I know he has a rep for lovin' on some fast cars, maybe they can have an alumni reunion and compare tats and NFL prospects over a jug of milk.
Just caught a quick glimpse of someone in the crowd wearing a Michigan shirt with a big block M. That was a pleasant sight. Props to that guy.
Just saw a graphic during Urban Liar's halftime interview: 2012 #3 ranked recruiting class. What's up with that? The highest rank I've seen for them is 7-8.
Why is that considered trolling? It was a legitimate question.
EDIT: More specifically, has anyone seen them ranked that high and by what service/media outlet?
Probably because you called him Urban Liar. Take that to MLive
Because you said "Urban Liar" like one of those children on RCMB or Bucknuts. Show some class. We let our actions on the field do our trash talking for us. And yes, they were #3 on ESPN I am fairly sure.
has them at 6 and us at 7 FWIW. Not sure where that #3 is coming from...
Scout has them as the #3 class and Michigan as the #4.
for the info.
EDIT: I am S-L-O
I can't believe that I forgot about the Ohio post season ban. I should work for the bleacher report. Wisconsin should win the leaders. The legends division will be a three way race. It's unfortunate, but sparty looks like a real threat again. Some say they are the best in the B10 from top to bottom. That was a scouting report from the B10 network. They watched every team practice at least once during the spring. If Michigan can stop the run like last year then they should win the B10. The back 7 of the D is good, and the offense should be improved. It would be nice if the D could get pressure on the QB this year. The pass rush was non existent last season.
Notre Dame's quarterbacks look terrible and their defense looks worse.
Denard with 600 yards of offense this time? (In addition to Toussaint's 400, obviously.)
to Notre Dame's defense.
Just caught the very end and the announcers were talking about how the defense dominated. I'm not kidding.
OSU's OLine definitely looks vulnerable in pass protection. Hopefully we can use our smaller, quicker DLine to exploit that.
Miller is sporadic, making great throws interspersed with awful ones. He should be fine, but if he gets hurt though, they might be in trouble with Guiton.
Overall, I don't think it would be crazy to predict 8-10 wins for them this year.
We might just see them in Indy after all.
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE INELIGABLE
I heard was 81,112 despite ~40 degree and rainy weather. Columbus is getting pumped for the Urban Renewal.
thinking the same thing. If something happens to Miller it could be a long year. I remember all Denard's boo-boos a couple years back and how it impacted our offensive production. I think that's an inherant risk of spread and shred. I also wonder if their D will be able to hold up if they have to spend 40 minutes a game on-field, if the O scores too quickly.
Not flaming, but 81,000+ fans there despite rain and cold.. A lot of excitement in Columbus right now.
At first I read that as, "A lot of excrement in Columbus right now"
81,000+ fans and only 5 coolers. Yep. That's a lot of excrement. Besides what else is there to do in Ohio on a Saturday? There are only so many times you can go to the library computers and look up porn.
81,112 is record for spring game attendance title, but let me know when they have the largest crowd watching a regular season college game anywhere in America.