OT: Not a great look for UGA based on this Atlanta Journal Cons. article
Maybe the beat Georgia drill should be shelved. I know some things happen everywhere, but this looks like a pretty significant culture issue.
User name check out and yes I agree. All recruits should remove Georgia from their list and sign with Michigan.
Welp, subscriber content only. Anyone able to summarize?
I'm not a subscriber and I was able to read it. Basically, ever since Richt left and Smart has been coach, multiple Georgia croots and players accused of sexual assault, the program turns a blind eye (but denies it), Athens police are fanboys so the laws aren't enforced, because they're good at football, lather, rinse, repeat.
That's the Ol' Tallahassee Sherriff Shuffle.
Sherriff is the grandson of Roscoe P. Coltrane.
Sounds like a reason to keep the "Beat Georgia" part of practice around. Hell, maybe make it a longer sesssion!
If the authorities aren't going to do their job and persecute the players for their actions, then beating them on the field is the next best thing. It won't make up for any of their wrong-doings, but it will take away what they covet the most.
Idk about persecuting them, but the authorities should definitely prosecute them for their actions.
So basically Michigan State under Dantonio?
So did recruits purchase ball stretchers and go to strip clubs? Was the UGA President worried about being fired by the football coach?
They should sign Brendan Gibbons.
A few excerpts:
In a single weekend, a 16-year-old University of Georgia football recruit broke curfew, drank with potential teammates in an Athens bar and ended up in a police station, under investigation for sexual assault.
Georgia signed him, anyway.
The school’s response to Jamaal Jarrett’s misadventures during a campus visit last year illustrates how its national-champion football program rallies to support athletes accused of abusing women, an investigation by The Atlanta Journal-Constitution shows. In case after case, the newspaper found, strong on-field performance appears to excuse bad off-field behavior.
The football program’s handling of sexual and domestic violence allegations emerged in a review of dozens of court cases and police investigations. The Journal-Constitution identified 11 players during Smart’s tenure who remained with the team after women reported violent encounters to the police, to the university, or to both. In some instances, particularly those involving domestic violence, the police either filed no charges or prosecutors allowed players to plead guilty to lesser charges.
The exact number of accusations involving Georgia players is unknown. Many cases result in no police investigation, but rather are handled through a confidential campus disciplinary system.
The newspaper’s findings echo its recent report detailing how the team’s permissive culture has enabled dangerous, often lawless behavior by its players: reckless driving, street racing, drunken driving and excessive speeding, among other offenses.
When Mark Richt was Georgia’s football coach from 2001 to 2015, he routinely dismissed players accused in sexual and domestic assaults, including two in a single off-season. Some of those players went on to become key members of rival teams such as Alabama and Louisiana State. Richt also asked his wife and the wives of other coaches to speak to the team about respecting women, and he championed a rule adopted by the Southeastern Conference in 2015 that barred players who commit sexual or domestic violence from transferring between SEC schools.
But women who have alleged violent misconduct by football players during Smart’s tenure say their cases reflect the skewed priorities of the team and its coaches amid unprecedented on-field success.
The rest of it is a listing of various players arrested, generally not charged or convicted, the apparent mishandling and improprieties between the AD and local police, and witness/victim statements.
Closes with the following:
Statement by UGA Athletic Association
“The University of Georgia and Athletic Association consider any allegation of sexual assault or domestic abuse to be a very serious matter, and we take swift and appropriate action in response to allegations when warranted by law enforcement or internal investigations. This policy is applied universally across our University community to students, student-athletes, staff, and personnel. Student-athletes are subject to the exact same disciplinary process as other students, and in addition, face further athletic program disciplinary measures, which can include suspension and dismissal from the team.
“From the moment we are made aware of an allegation of sexual misconduct, we have always fully cooperated with law enforcement and the University’s Equal Opportunity Office and Office of Student Conduct. Under no circumstance would we seek to influence the outcome of an investigation or the determination of charges, as these decisions are made at the sole discretion of law enforcement and campus disciplinary bodies.
“While each circumstance is unique, for any credible allegation of sexual violence or assault by a student-athlete, we issue a preliminary suspension – at a minimum, from competition – as the matter is thoroughly and independently investigated. ...
“The University of Georgia has clear institutional policies prohibiting sexual misconduct, including established reporting protocols, and these policies are applied consistently to all students, including student-athletes.”
Bad move, dude.The people who bitch the most about the decline of journalism are the cheapskats who violate paywalls and aren't willing to pay for the journalism they consume.
First of all, who the hell is going to pay for a subscription to some random GA newspaper just so they can read one article?
Second, the fallacy with the logic that people pirating this content (music, movies, computer games, articles, etc.) represent this massive amount of lost revenue is that many (I would argue the vast majority) of these people were never going to pay for it. So it's not a situation where they're pirating something they would otherwise pay for; it's a situation where they either get it for free, or they don't get it.
Finally, we've transitioned to an environment where the vast majority of news is free to consume and supported by ad revenue, etc. (MGoBlog being one of many, many examples). I have little sympathy for outlets that don't provide a valuable enough premium service to merit sufficient paid subscriptions, and are either unwilling to use the free to consume model, or are not desirable enough to make that work. Don't bitch that people don't want to pay for your service; offer a better product, or run a better business...
BOOM!!!!!
I've been saying this all along. If it's news worthy, it will get out anyway. We are in the information age and people will tell who ever they want. It's like music, People listen for free all the time. Albeit with a lot of ads, few people pay for it anymore. It's time to re-think how you monetize your journalism. I'm not against people making money but you can't be mad at people who want to share what they know with others.
Eh, quality journalism is definitely in trouble and one of the issues is that our attention spans continue to shrink. Long form pieces that are typical of investigative journalism are expensive and takes months and even years to complete. That is difficult to do under an ad revenue model. I definitely agree with you regarding entertainment journalism like sports or movies. But important work like investigative work or local politics is going to go by the wayside I fear.
I copied/pasted 342 words out of a 3707 word article (not including the official statement from UGA in either count). That's 9% of the total article. Way back in the day, there were discussions about posting paywalled content on the board. I'd like to think that <10% of an article's content is well within ethical boundaries.
"...for any credible allegation of sexual violence or assault by a student-athlete..."
So most reports are not credible. Got it... And thanks for the refresher on Baylor's policy handling techniques.
is it taboo around these parts to suggest paywall defeaters, um, i mean, web archivers?
"archive.is" is your friend
https://archive.is/xRDzQ
Archived version.
USA Today has a little article about it. They have a fixer on the team named Gantt. Gantt has been involved in 82 arrests or instances where police have been involved in Smarts 7 years there. He has a cozy relationship with the campus police and local police and he pretty much gets many kids out of trouble or face any serious consequences. High speed racing or high speeds in general are really common going 40 plus MPH over speed limit has happened over 10 plus times and nothing seems to happen. Almost at 10 sexual assaults by football players and an incoming freshman who at 16 broke curfew got drunk and raped a woman. That recruit is enrolled right now or is enrolling for the fall Another athlete got off on 1 rape and now has a second rape case against him because George Pickens recanted what he saw when Gantt was with him in the interview with the police. Only reason it seemed to get an investigation was the death of the 2 people in the high speed race with Jalen Carter. The investigation into the university about stuff going on behind the scenes that we're getting covered up All this stuff was dug up but it had to be looked for good because many of these instances were just getting covered up. Another piece of shit coach who sells his soul to win. Why can't we ever hear about a coach who does the stuff the right way and wins? Ever dam dynasty in college football or basketball seems to have some dirty secrets when you peel back the skin. Just is sick world out there when rape or other sexual assault is no big deal if you help win games at big time football programs.
Just a summary if you don't have access to the article.
I was able to access it through Apple News by searching for "AJC", clicking on the article and then following the external link.
This whole thing is rotten and IMO indicative of so much that is wrong across society. I mean the article ends with this...
'The report certainly does not paint Georgia in a good light, and people had plenty to say about it on Twitter.'
TWITTER...
An article about wide spread sexual abuse ends with pointing to peoples reactions on TWITTER. That's not serious journalism that is creating a spectacle and mockery out of others pain.
And I have little doubt that this tribal, clubhouse, neanderthal behaviour isn't all that uncommon across big time, big money sport..
But do fans really care? Will Georgia fans call for accountability? Kirby has won back to back National Championships..he's not going anywhere. OSU fans didn't turn on Urban when he was exposed...because he won. Accountability all to often seems to be tied to win percentages.
Hope I'm wrong and this leads to some serious repercussions but I'm not holding my breath. But hey the Twitterverse is up in arms so there's that...
I thought Chris Carter offered the final word on this topic years ago:
Well isnt that just typical.
Name them one of our more significant rivals one day, be outed for cultural issues the next.
As predictable as the sun rising in the west I'd say.
You had me all the way up until "west".
Obviously you aren't in the southern hemisphere
/s
Again? Fast cars and ......
Next, you'll tell me water is indeed wet.
But what about the hamburgers bought under suspicious circumstances....
cheeseburgers get a bowl ban.
Anyone eating Cheeseburgers in a bowl should be sanctioned.
Yes, let’s bash those with allergies.
In all honesty Cheeseburgers WOULD'VE probably gotten us a bowl ban if Jimmy hadnt told the NCAA to go fuck themselves instead cooperating like we used to. We finally learned what the SEC learned years ago, the NCAA only punishes institutions that let it, the schools that defy them can do whatever they want for as long as they want.
I'm glad we finally grew a pair and stopped playing nice with those dickheads.
do we know if that issue simply went away? like all of us i think it's a sick joke compared to what they wrist slap or completely ignore, but whatever the NCAA does on these things takes a l-o-o-ng time
It has not. Warde said something to no changes from the last update a week or two ago.
This.
Why would we shelve the beat Georgia drill? If anything it should make us want to beat them harder
Beat them as hard as they (allegedly) beat their…
Ah, I won’t go there
"If anything it should make us want to beat them harder"
This chant would be a better natural fit vs. South Carolina. But I guess you have to take what you can get.
NCAA will be investigating this which should really frighten the hell out of the UGA Women's Crew Team.
I think you meant...
Southwestern Georgia State Community College's Junior Varsity Women's Crew Team.
That NCAA investigation will scare the crap out of the NCAA, it won't bother UGA...
My favorite part of all of this was when Georgia held a moment of silence, or something, at their spring game for one of the victims, then ESPN.com thought that was special enough to put onto their front page. Isn't that called sports washing? I'm sure that big production was extra special for the victim's family and friends.
That program feels like the 1980s Miami and 2000s Florida program to me.
They've been talking about potential culture issues with the UGA program down here in Atlanta local radio fairly consistently over the last few months, but because it was primarily confined to just a handful of guys (Jalen Carter drag-racing, Stetson Bennett pulling the "do you know who I am" card to the police, etc.), I figured it was ultimately going to be a big ol' nothing burger for the program in the grand scheme, and the wheels would just keep on turning. Could be chalked up to regrettable, but isolated instances that "don't reflect the true values of the program," or some other such thing.
Now I'm not so sure.
Honestly, though, at the rate Kirby is winning, he's near untouchable. The worst that'll happen to him, unless he's directly implicated in working to cover these things up, is he's going to have to answer questions about it in press conferences more than he wants to. And he'll have hand-crafted responses from UGA's PR team to handle this.
If this was Mark Richt's program, a guy who had a ton of talent but routinely came up short in big moments, I think he'd be in really hot water and some would be calling for his head. But I really don't think anything is going to be happening to Kirby over this. Nothing of consequence anyway. Winning has a way of shutting a lot of people up, or at the very least, allows you to keep kicking the can down the road as long as you keep winning.
All I really know is that the NCAA will not do anything about this, but they will seek to continue punishing Harbaugh over freaking hamburgers.
I think the savory fare from The Brown Jug.. was cheeseburgers. Everything else sounds right.
The worst thing about humans is that we can be quite shit, especially in groups. The best thing about humans is that (especially these days) someone willing to speak up will find out.
The thing about trauma is that perpetrators carry it too. They have to live with what they did, and there will be consequences for that, whether personal, professional, or both.
Unfortunately a perpetrator carrying unresolved trauma can often lead them to harm more people.
I'm willing to bet that more perpetrators than not don't give a shit about what they did. Most abusers will continue to abuse - the more they get away with it, the more they do it.
I don't really understand the cottage industry of "Does Georgia have a culture problem?" articles. One of their staffers killed a player with a university vehicle. Of course they have a culture problem. The whole thing is rotten.