OT: Charlie Batch straight offering $1M for Caleb Williams to EMU

Submitted by alum96 on January 5th, 2022 at 10:26 PM

"But you can't straight out offer NIL money to induce players to your school!!! RULES!"

The wild wild west is going to be fun.   I don't know if Charlie has any association with EMU other than alumni.  p.s. TJ Lang of Packers and Lions (and EMU) is backing this up as well.

Unless rules change if a player is a wildly successful freshman or RS freshman many will immediately hit the portal and sell themselves to the highest bidder. There is no salary cap and a lot of hungry investors.  

What if ABC team had a billionaire with F*** you money (i.e $50M a year is chump change) who through back channels let CJ Stroud know $8M is the price if they want to move on over.   Free markets are fun.  It's happening... just not through the churches in South Carolina anymore.

https://twitter.com/CharlieBatch16/status/1478860539606573060 https://twitter.com/TJLang70/status/1478886034721095689

 

Eph97

January 6th, 2022 at 2:46 AM ^

Just pay the players. Classsify them as employees with contracts. Instead of paying a Dumbo Swinney $11M a year, pay him $1M and spread the $10M out over 85 players. I'd rather players earn the money than coaches. If a coach doesn't like earning "only" 1M a year he can go to the NFL. However, the NFL can't take them all so they'll learn to like earning $1M a year.

GoingBlue

January 6th, 2022 at 12:05 PM ^

Most of these coaches are like Urban Meyer, they are recruiters. Their Xs and Os are not close to NFL level. They are good at "cheating", which is not really cheating anymore, so we will see what happens. The already established dynasties will not die over night, so we won't know for awhile. 

crg

January 6th, 2022 at 5:08 AM ^

I hate this situation.  One of the reasons I gave up on pro sports years ago was that it was only about money - players moving around to the highest bidder with no true loyalty or dedication to a team (and the team organizations feeling the same way with forced trades, etc.)  College sports are rapidly becoming the same and I feel the desire to watch declining every year.  It is depressing.

Edit: I feel the need to point out that another reason I have (... maybe had is better now) such affinity for college sports us that the players were mostly going through the same ordeal as the rest of us on campus.  Still had the classes, dorms, parties, money issues that other students had.  Not really true for most P5 starters these days.

RAH

January 6th, 2022 at 10:11 AM ^

I am in the same situation. I lost interest in the pros when it became obvious that there was no such thing as team loyalty. Just a bunch of individuals playing for themselves. Obviously players always played for themselves but there also seemed to be some loyalty to teams and their teammates. Maybe loyalty to their team and teammates was mostly illusion (I don’t think so) but if so it made the games more compelling to watch. Pure capitalism works great when businesses are competing against each other to produce the most value for the money. But there is no enjoyment in rooting for one company to succeed over another.

JamieH

January 6th, 2022 at 11:51 AM ^

Just play fantasy football.   Then you too are an individual only rooting for yourself!

My kids are really confused when I watch NFL games.  "Which team are you rooting for dad"?  Well I'm rooting for #7 in green, but NOT #24.  And I'm ALSO rooting for #86 in white.  

25dodgebros

January 6th, 2022 at 10:56 AM ^

Literally, it has always been about the money.  You think Yost was just interested in amateur athletic competition?  Don Canham?  I am just as guilty as anyone of thinking about the "glory days" of college sports (whenever that was for you) as being this pure student/athlete experience.  What is hidden then is easy to see now.  The only thing that is different now is the amount of money has increased so drastically that it is no longer possible to not see that major college football is just the entertainment business owned by universities.  It always has been, it was just harder to see when the $$$ were thousands not billions.  

 

BradyIsNumberT…

January 6th, 2022 at 5:37 AM ^

It's legal they just can't obligate him to stay to keep the money.  Also, Fuck yes, Charlie, I love it and while you are at it cut a deal with the Algonquin Nation to put the Huron back on the helmet.

redjugador24

January 6th, 2022 at 6:38 AM ^

Plenty of twitter comments suggesting he's already turned down bigger offers from both Georgia and Oklahoma.... This is college football now - a $1M, 1yr offer won't land a top free agent. 

MGoChippewa

January 6th, 2022 at 7:02 AM ^

If you’re complaining about this, speak your piece about why it upsets you. Money is going to flow through college football anyways, like it has been for decades. If you’re against this, it feels like you’re in favor of that money continuing to go to the suits who add very little, if any, value to the sport. 

crg

January 6th, 2022 at 7:27 AM ^

People have raised numerous counter-arguments of the past several years wrt the "pay the players" discussion... even more so since the NIL loophole was legalized.  Some brush off those arguments as quaint/dated (yet conveniently forget that they were rigoursly enforced up until a few years ago - and even then were still given lip service treatment).

Your point about "money flowing" is only partially true... the "dirtier" schools certainly paid their way to on field success, but the majority did not - partially due to fear if the ncaa.  It was still just a few decades ago that a school received the "death penalty" for it... and still less than 20 years ago that a few major schools were severely punished for a few instances of it (e.g. USC with Pete Carroll).

The real problem is that the schools themselves became greedy and defanged their own police force (ncaa).

Obviously it is "legal" (wrt US Criminal Code) to pay students to play a sport.  That doesn't mean the impact of this will be a positive upon the sport & its traditions (nor is it necessarily fair to the other students & student-athletes).

RAH

January 6th, 2022 at 10:19 AM ^

What you say is true and it fits in with the arguments that others have: “it’s just capitalism”. But as I say elsewhere, capitalism works great when two businesses are competing to produce the best product at the least cost. But there are no fans following the competition with rooting interest for one or the other. There is no emotional tie and no excitement.

FlexUM

January 6th, 2022 at 7:29 AM ^

Some of this was bound to happen in years 2-4. Michigan should get involved but be thoughtful and pragmatic about it. For instance, a guy like JJ should be on billboards and make $500K+ next year if he is the starting qb. 

Many of these schools that are doing the "yeah, you all get millions!" will end up recalibrating because they are going to give out a lot of money without the ROI they expect. Sure, some of these places have borderline unlimited money but a whole lot of times recruits don't pan out and I just think it's going to take a cycle to get through this. 

Don't get me wrong, it's here to stay (and I'm for these kids getting paid) but an aggressive but wholly pragmatic and strategic process is best here. 

GRBluefan

January 6th, 2022 at 7:35 AM ^

We are probably only a year or two away from having kids able to switch teams mid-game.  Play the 1st half for Michigan, OSU booster sends you 14 dogecoin via cashapp (no idea if that is how this works) on your way to the tunnel, walk over to the OSU locker room and suit up!

TruBluMich

January 6th, 2022 at 8:01 AM ^

GameAbove Capital doesn't even need to pay him, and he doesn't even have to go to EMU.  If he does, bonus, if not all of the press they just got for being the first to blatantly make a public offer, is marketing gold.  

There's a reason they tagged all of the big players in sports media on every single Social Media platform, including LinkedIn.  This is a more significant invitation to other players looking to cash in.

U of M's NIL policy, which was created from Michigan State law and the NCAA rules regarding NIL, clearly dictates that these type of offers are not allowed.

Student-athletes may not receive compensation which is conditioned or contingent on enrolling at, or continuing enrollment at any specific collegiate institution, or on any specific athletic performance or achievement.

https://mgoblue.com/documents/2021/7/1/name_image_likeness_policy.pdf

M Squared

January 6th, 2022 at 9:10 AM ^

Wow.  Usually when quotes are taken out of context, it is to subvert the true intent of the speaker.  Seeing the full quote again after some years, it seems that the portion that is typically quoted is in this case actually further magnified by the context of the full quote.  (Is this the real twitter account?  He spells his name Cardale and Cordale?)  Haha, what a great quote, thanks for posting. 

Don

January 6th, 2022 at 9:53 AM ^

This is the origin of the problem. The vast, vast majority of the highest-rated recruits don't really care about the educational aspect of attending college—they're in college solely because it's the only place they can receive the vocational training they need in order to have any hope of achieving what's important to them, which is playing in the NFL.

When players transfer, or decommit, it's never because a college has changed its academic mission or a particular faculty member has departed—it's only because of playing time, or coaching departures.

93Grad

January 6th, 2022 at 8:19 AM ^

Cool for EMU and the players.  
 

Not sure how great it is for college football, but NIL is here to stay so “it is what it is.”

Toasted Yosties

January 6th, 2022 at 10:22 AM ^

The toothpaste has been out of the tube since conferences have signed television deals and schools athletic apparel and merchandise contracts. Michigan has put itself up for bid with Nike and Adidas over the last few decades. The B1G has done the same with ABC/ESPN and Fox. They were paid for their value. The world didn’t end. It also won’t end now that the players receive their fair share.

M-Dog

January 6th, 2022 at 4:42 PM ^

Exactly.  We lost our purity decades ago.

He: "Would you sleep with me for a million dollars?"

She:  "A million dollars?  Sure."

He: "Would you sleep with me for a hundred dollars?"

She:  "A hundred dollars?  What kind of woman do you think I am?"

He: "We have already established what kind of woman you are.  Now we're just negotiating the price."

WestQuad

January 6th, 2022 at 9:19 AM ^

I'm both disgusted that this is going on and angry that EMU is in front of this and Michigan is not. 

Per the OPs point about [ABC] team needing a Billionaire hero to tip the scales.  I may have always been that way, but our country/world feels like it has reverted to the days of kings and aristocracy. The people have no power, but need to rely upon benevolent overlords.

calgoblue81

January 6th, 2022 at 11:06 AM ^

I am wondering if the next step in adapting to the NIL money is for Universities to offer certain student athletes NIL money with the proviso that in lieu of a scholarship they would have to cover tuition (this would likely apply to high 4* and 5*).  Universities would then preserve scholarships for low 4* or 3* that would result in more optimal use of scholarships within the 85 scholarship limit? In essence the high value NIL players become PWOs.

UofM Die Hard …

January 6th, 2022 at 3:07 PM ^

This is my biggest concern Wendy. I have NO problem with kids with this kind of talent making money, vs some jabroni in high rise corner office.   But for the kids who dont have a stable circle around them, it will be very bad and very sad. 


This kind of money being thrown around is like winning the lottery at 18-19, and seeing that ADULTS who win the lottery often go bankrupt and do massively dumb shit, does not bode well for where this is going.  I really hope Im wrong 

jmblue

January 6th, 2022 at 11:40 AM ^

The NCAA could have settled with Ed O'Bannon, considered players to be employees, and collectively bargained with them to allow them to profit from their likeness in a more orderly, controlled fashion. 

But no, it had to fight O'Bannon tooth and nail and stick to its "amateurism" ideas until politicians got involved and blew the doors off everything.

Papabearblue2

January 6th, 2022 at 12:40 PM ^

Without big changes I'd honestly be surprised if this sport retained 60% of ifs viewership over the next 10 years.

Why would I watch a shit tier nfl-lite? I dont watch the NFL because i know those guys dont give one fuck about their teams. These kids arent going to care about these teams.

Remember Bo's speech about playing for a team rather than a contract. Yep, that's why many of us watched CFB in the first place. Kiss all that goodbye.

los barcos

January 6th, 2022 at 12:52 PM ^

If you think this all just started this year with NIL then I have some waterfront property I'd like to sell you. 

Fact is, this is just putting in the open what has been going on for at least 20 years, probably even more.  If you've been watching the sport this whole time, something tells me you'll still be tuning in next fall...

los barcos

January 6th, 2022 at 1:38 PM ^

i actually couldn't care less whether or not you watch. and on the macro level it doesn't really matter whether or not you tune in either, as college football on a whole is getting more and more popular.  im not saying i like four hours of commercials on saturday afternoon, but the reason we're having a conversation about 1million dollars going to a redshirt freshmen is directly related to the amount of eyeballs the sport generates.