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I think the tweet is open to…

I think the tweet is open to interpretation if it means anything. I was taking it previously that Warde is for sure keeping him, basically 99%. He has a built in excuse with the heart thing and the "I was the one that kept harbaugh and look how that turned out" mantra.

If insiders have information that he is waffling from what seemed like a firm stance to keep Juwan, I do think that is significant. 

Now some people felt that he wasn't sure this whole time and then this tweet is more of him not being sure. I was under the impression he had no intention or no thought of removing Juwan.

So I actually agree with you…

So I actually agree with you. This '23 defense was historically good. I'd have them at #1, eclipsing the '97 defense and probably a top 10 of all time in CFB. We won't have the depth we had last year and lose some unique and key pieces (MS being one of the biggest). 

Totally agree on the drop off...but I think my headline message is this adds a key person and this can be a top 5 defense in college football for the 2024 season and if you can field a top 5 offense or defense in major college football you have to find a way to make the other side of the ball serviceable enough to make a run.

Do you all understand how…

Do you all understand how freakish this defense will be? This season has gone from "yeah yeah man they can be pretty good with a top defense" to "don't waste it. This could be the 2nd or 3rd best michigan defense of all time so figure this offense out because you cannot waste this!" real fast lol. 

Yup....I mentioned that in…

Yup....I mentioned that in the last one that I remember sitting there watching toledo beat UM but even after that game you had some weird glimmer of hope due to some of the athletes on those RR teams. 

What we are watching here isn't even a sport. Sort of feels like random pick up basketball or kids casually playing tag. Which is fine if that's what we are going for I guess. 

Whoa! Gosh I am so saddened…

Whoa! Gosh I am so saddened to hear that. He has to be in his low 30's I'd imagine. Kid had a lot of heart and played his butt off. My gosh, that is terrible. 

I till tear up when I watch…

I till tear up when I watch the highlights from the 2021 osu/um game. Not sure anything in sports will emotionally beat that for me. It was borderline spiritual lol. 

I digress, I also got the highlight reels going on youtube the other day. This team was so damn impressive. All business but also a bunch of dudes having a blast. It was amazing. 

For sure, I don't think…

For sure, I don't think anyone is going to sing many praises for those years but it was far better than this. It really started three years ago with me when even when they were winning you'd hear the announcers say things like "it's just lazy basketball" and "no discipline" or "no hustle". Most of these were related to defense but the signs of a poorly coached team with no fight started a long time ago.

And I sat there watching toledo beating Michigan in the RR days so I'm no fairweather fan. I was at the UM/IL game that was like 6 overtimes and we cheered and were happy to be 7-5 lol. I can withstand a lot.

 

 

Blinkin totally agree. I…

Blinkin totally agree. I mean you could spot a Denard Robinson or something and think "hmm...maybe they will have something". There was some dudes out there. I'm not trying to shine a turd with revisionist history..it was bad.

But yes, what we are watching now doesn't even feel like basketball. 

To me, this actually feels…

To me, this actually feels and looks worst than the 3-8 richrod football team. Even as bad as that was, you could convince yourself of a brighter future (maybe not much brighter...but something to hold onto). This is not even a sport. The last three years, (yes even when winning) has been some of the most lazy basketball I've ever watched with almost nothing that makes me think a brighter day is coming. 

I'm all for not being a fair weather fan but when it gets to this level I have no issue with fans not coming or being engaged. 

The upside is depending how…

The upside is depending how the team looks and what games are lost there is a shot to get in at 9-3. 10-2 for sure but a real shot at 9-3

Probably inevitable we lose…

Probably inevitable we lose one. Sucks though. He’ll get paid and start somewhere. 
 

does make me wonder if it was one of those tampering cases we’ve been hearing about. 

It’s actually hard to…

It’s actually hard to believe how bad this is. 

You win, I'm dead lol. 

You win, I'm dead lol. 

He's pretty young so he…

He's pretty young so he doesn't have the experience of Elston but players absolutely love him and he has a nose for talent. Fits the mold of what UM does and isn't star struck, but finds the guys that are 3 stars that turn into 5 star freaks. And again, players kill for this dude. 

If this one gets done then…

If this one gets done then you have an A staff on defense and you'll have a net positive on recruiting compared to last year. Nice to start stacking up some wins here. 

Didn't realize this was a…

Didn't realize this was a done deal, but deal is done. Living in columbus I cannot tell you all how big of a deal this is. Dude is absolutely a one of the top recruiters in the national and a defensive mind. 

This guy has a ton of potential and can/will continue to move his way up. He is the type of dude that will probably give us two years and UM will need to do a lot to keep him or he will have the ability to be promoted. 

I'm super excited about this. It's not often you can replace an Elston type with this type of talent. I chalked up that as a net loss no matter who was hired...not the case. 

 

Big and needed win for SM.

Not getting hopes up yet,…

Not getting hopes up yet, but this would be one of those big time hires if it happens. I mean that is a top notch coach and recruiter. This is a big time recruiter and many said was a catalyst for a lot of the success at UC. 

yeah if you stalk X and…

yeah if you stalk X and random giants boards it seems the players really liked him but that head coach is an impossible douche rocket out there. For me, it's the combination of keeping the train going, players buying in, and him and Sherrone being locked in. Those three things I believe will make this a success and it sounds like Sherrone put a premium on making sure him and Wink jived.

I think Cullen and…

I think Cullen and Martindale would be just fine, if not very good picks and I'm usually on the pessimistic side of things. There is a lot we could be negative about, having one of these two become DC doesn't seem like one. 

That said, I would actually be excited if it's Cullen and a little "ok, this should be ok, right?" if it's Martindale. 

The good news is college…

The good news is college football is fundamentally different so you can detach, more like an NFL fan would. Like yeah browns fans want them to beat the steelers...but they could play three times a year so who gives a crap if they lose one. We will lose something after this last year, but we will also gain the fact you can have some satisfaction without having to go 15-0. 

There is a path for Michigan to go 10-2 and 9-3 some years and make the playoff. That doesn't mean it will be easy, but it's not the same game. 

I guess what I'm saying is I will always be super invested but the game is changing so that you should no be shattered over a loss. 

 

And we just won the MFNCG! That will carry me through at least next year.

Good for him. Probably will…

Good for him. Probably will feel good to go his own way but with a friendly face.

For whatever it's worth I…

For whatever it's worth I always think he's much better in this setting overall vs his college gameday schtick. He just seems so unlikable in that setting but I find him much better in this setting regardless of who he is interviewing. 

The Minter thing does seem a…

The Minter thing does seem a little odd. I get that isn't a huge deal in the NFL to not have it done yet...but it makes me wonder if something else is going on. Not so much that he will be back at UM as it seems that ship has sailed but if he has any other suitors. Not everyone wants to move to LA, especially if you have options...

Saying the "we will need it…

Saying the "we will need it to get through bball" is a joke but I think it's ok to repeat that one over an over there is so much truth to it.

Controversial Take....

S&C…

Controversial Take....

S&C coaches are not as hard to replace as you think. It's all about how the coaches all fit together and then the S&C coach (as long as they are decent) intensifies that culture. 

Mike Barwis was smart, a leader, and damn good at his job. They were not good under him. Urban Meyer had a strength coach that was literally a moron...I mean this guy was a walking turd and he did great. 

I've been working in sports med/ortho but around major college sports so long I don't know really how to explain it. I'm not saying Herbert is just easily replaced but what I am saying is it's the nature of the job that a lot of S&C coaches are great and get a bad rap. Hell herbert was here to start 2018 and it really wasn't until 2021 until we saw how great he was but the catalyst was harbaugh driving the culture change and that amplified what herbert was doing. 

I know of some S&C coaches at horrendous teams that if you put them at UM you'd think they were ben herbert. On the other side there are dudes that can barely walk and chew gum at major winning programs and people think they are great. 

 

Make no mistake, Herbert IS one of the good ones. But it all comes down to SM. Lot of pressure on him to keep this ship afloat. 

Was Hurtt actually really…

Was Hurtt actually really being considered as DC? It would honestly make me feel more concerned than anything that has transpired so far. If Hurtt or Leonhard were looked at...man... I just hope it wasn't even really a thing. 

Leonhard is a good DC, he's just a backstabbing bitch.

The thing that has helped me…

The thing that has helped me mentally is I didn't count on getting any single coach back. You guys have to remember all these guys have dreams and goals and everyone wants to grow. Harbaugh is going to the NFL with basically a ticket to do whatever the hell he wants so this is a hell of a chance for a lot of guys. 

My point is, outside of people Michigan may give a big promotion to, don't consider anyone here until it is official. 

yeah...this smells a fishy…

yeah...this smells a fishy as warde leaking out the "we made him the top paid guy" at the 11th hour. 

It's seems both are doing some cya/agent speak. So is life...

There was a major culture…

There was a major culture change at UM and SM was a huge part of that. Jim trusted him every step of the way and even though Jim is gone, it's pretty clear he told UM that SM is "the guy" and the best way to carry the next step forward. That will carry weight. 

Let's go coach Moore!

I loosely follow the NFL…

I loosely follow the NFL. Closer the last 15 years as my buddy played for the bills and my wife is from there (and her family are rabid fans...I mean go to away game type of fans). I just can't latch onto the NFL outside of casual viewing. 

That said, I will root for harbaugh and could for sure see myself watching some games and loosely rooting for them. 

SM should be announced…

SM should be announced within 24 hrs I’d hope with an immediate effort to keep as much of the staff together as possible. 

I do not disagree with your…

I do not disagree with your sentiment, so no offense take.  They totally failed and all said he was in the building today when he’s quite literally not. 

UPDATES:

Again...I want to…

UPDATES:

Again...I want to be real careful and I'm only posting something once it's on a free source, or just pieces of what is on pay sites. My rule is the pay sites get 24 hours until you post full detail. But the below nuggets are on twitter and multiple sources (yes, they probably stole from pay sites but ffs I can't control that)...

 

1. Harbaugh is 100% in LA still. There was confusion there but he is in LA for sure.

2. His status with ATL is uncertain. Some sites say there isn't an interview scheduled and one "could happen", others say it is scheduled for Thursday but "fuzzy" if it will actually happen.

3. He had "important meetings" in AA today. Not clear if he cancelled them or they are zoom/teams calls now. 

4. UM did pretty much give him all he wants in the new contract. And people can say "it's not about money" which is kind of true but the way this is written and money committed is basically UM "showing beyond love". 

 

The general "feel" seems be everyone having a sad because it seems LA is literally not letting him leave until they make a deal. But...who the hell knows...it's up to all of you/us to connect any dots from there I guess. 

Very fair…keep in mind most…

Very fair…keep in mind most sites are also saying it’s still likely or at least more likely he goes so it’s not all roses and sunshine. 

Falcons interview update:

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Falcons interview update:

 

multiple reports that no interview today or scheduled but “could be forthcoming”. 
 

We’ve gone from it being scheduled and locked in to “could happen”…

There is a happy medium like…

There is a happy medium like bill self had though that isn’t outright immunity but does give protection. 

There has been some overall…

There has been some overall clarity…I’ll not include pay site detail for 24hrs…

  • its unclear what he wants as far as the ncaa clause but multiple sites are reporting it’s in line with what bill self did. Some pay sites have details but I’ll refrain for now. 
  • the three man crew to fire him wasn’t a thing. He wants to ensure if he faces disciplinary action or termination he can appeal to a 3 person panel. That is already standard procedure. 
     

The rest of it is that he had a packed day of meetings including NIL related and that Santa and UM feel they have a legit shot to keep him  

take it for what it’s worth  again, some pay sites have more but not appropriate to post  

 

EDIT: One note here is that all the pay sites are tempered with their enthusiasm. It's gone from "yeah no shot really" to...the fat lady hasn't sung and there is an actual shot he stays. Again, take that for whatever it's worth. 

 

 


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I don’t usually like this…

I don’t usually like this stuff but 1000% accurate and good he said it. 

They are dogshit lazy. No discipline at all. Is that a coach or player problem? Both. 

for three full years even the announcers during games have commented about their “lazy, low effort defense”. 
 

that’s why this is such an easy. This is abo it effort as much as anything. Team should have won at least 4 more games and looked much better in the losses. 

So word is he was there for…

So word is he was there for 3.5+ hours yesterday....but no deal announced. I have to think today is a big, big day. If there is no deal today and he goes to that Falcons interview you have to think the chargers will start looking elsewhere seriously. 

All speculation but man it feels like today is meaningful. 

Maybe take the foot off the…

Maybe take the foot off the break and have SM apply his foot the gas pedal because multiple sources are not reporting "deal is in striking distance". 

It's going to need to be full speed ahead baby. Sounds like no other 2nd interviews have even been booked...yet...

We will just agree to…

We will just agree to disagree. I tend to think that is at least substantive and meaningful. How much more meaningful is it vs him going out there by himself? No clue, and that answer probably varies greatly based on family dynamics so we are all making assumptions. Mine is that it means something more than nothing that she is joining him for round 2.

I don't think so. I don't…

I don't think so. I don't think the boards are using this dude as the source. Balas and some of these other dudes get over their ski's at times but we've got multiple reports that Sarah is absolutely heading out there this week. I don't think that should be odd or a surprise either. 

The part I think we take with a grain of salt are these reports that he is the only second interview and basically that they are going there to finalize it. But I do believe Sarah will be on that plane today...

We should take it with a…

We should take it with a grain of salt, you are right. But other UM pay boards are also reporting Harbaugh is brining "at least his wife and possibly other family members" to the second interview. Whether that means they are ready to finalize or just really damn serious, I do think it means this has gone much further than previous years. 

I don't disagree but our boy…

I don't disagree but our boy yoder is on a whole other level man. He is like in outer space where I think most of the other group is in left field. I don't even think yoder is in this galaxy lol. 

This would create a solid…

This would create a solid Cade-ish floor with a lot of upside that we just don't know about. I think it also would give a solid veteran leader in the QB room. 

Not optimistic the NCAA grants it...

You win all comments for the…

You win all comments for the week lmao

Some of it doesn't seem…

Some of it doesn't seem unreasonable and easy to overcome. But...some if it...I mean come on the university isn't going to say "no matter what happens your contract will not be effected". 

This defense is going to e…

This defense is going to e absolutely insane next year. Need to find a few answers on offense, but this defense will go a long way to try to defend a title. 

Hawt Take....Don coming is…

Hawt Take....Don coming is as important from the mental/culture side as it is for the play on the field side. It is abnormal to have three elite leaders JJ, Blake, MS. Sure, there were other leaders, but these are the three that would have literally willed UM to win and they bring up the entire team. 

Don has some of that juice in him and I think he knows he needs to ensure that carries forward in the 2024 team. We also need some others to step up in that regard. 

This is true...but it is…

This is true...but it is also true that I could see a world where I'd be ok with 10-2 and possibly 9-3 if it's a really strong finish that puts them in the playoff. 

College football is going to be different now. The good thing is, I won't necessarily expect, and get all spun around the axle when they lose a game. The bad thing is....cfb as we knew it is basically over (yes bit of hyperbole there). 

Michigan has the defense and pieces on offense to make the playoff next year. They need to make the playoff. Being in the playoffs most years should be an expectation...even as a low seed some years. That will help recruiting and the 12 teams that make it each year are always going to get a ton of fanfare and press. 

I also don't think it will be as easy as some make it out. But the goal next year has to be to get into the playoff.