OT: Big12Gate Saga -- Texas + OU opt out of media rights after 2025

Submitted by JamesBondHerpesMeds on July 26th, 2021 at 10:57 AM

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/31889044/texas-longhorns-oklahoma-sooners-tell-big-12-not-renew-grant-media-rights

One notable quote -- 

"However, both universities will continue to monitor the rapidly evolving collegiate athletics landscape as they consider how best to position their athletics programs for the future."

I feel like that (points up) is going to be a leverage point for a lot of schools in the upcoming months and years. Grab your popcorn, buckle up, hold on to your butts, etc.

JonnyHintz

July 26th, 2021 at 3:59 PM ^

Why Lambeau instead of continuing in Indy? Lambeau has history but I don’t see why the B1G would all of a sudden drop Indy. 

I also figure there would be some push back from those west coast teams to playing in Wisconsin in December. Indy has a dome and seems more likely to be included in a two facility rotation.

Don

July 27th, 2021 at 7:24 AM ^

Like I’ve been saying:

“Heard today from several people that B1G only would be interested in adding schools from the AAU (Nebraska no longer, but was when it joined league). Texas is AAU member, along with Pac-12 schools like Cal, Washington, Colorado, USC, UCLA, Oregon, Stanford. Oklahoma is not AAU.”

https://twitter.com/espnrittenberg/status/1419669676485918725?s=21

MI Expat NY

July 26th, 2021 at 11:29 AM ^

It's the beginning of the endgame of college football, unfortunately.  I'm not sure how 3-4 superconferences form with this many blue bloods in the SEC.  The far more likely scenario is that the cream of the rest also join and the SEC becomes the national conference.  

It may continue as a zombie for a decade or two, but less and less people will care about a true professional minor league without the ties that made college sports special.

MI Expat NY

July 26th, 2021 at 12:30 PM ^

That's why I used the term endgame.  The path has been clear for a while.  Maybe it wasn't a foregone conclusion when the SWC disbanded and the Independents joined conferences, but then the Big East was cannibalized, among other moves, and  now the Big 12 is a dead man walking.  The path only moves in one direction, cut schools out and keep more money with the big boys.

People are floating all sorts of crazy ideas, but it's hard to see any plan making sense for either the Big 10 or the ACC that doesn't involve the destruction of another conference.  And the Pac 12 has basically no move to make.  Any coalition between the Pac 12 and Big Ten would be a temporary fix.

The SEC is going to become the true power in college sports. Other Blue Bloods will have to decide if they want to join them or not play at all, even if it means leaving their longtime partners behind.  I think we all know how that's going to go.

I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see it happening any other way.  It's just a matter of time.

UMinSF

July 26th, 2021 at 1:45 PM ^

Sadly, I share your pessimism - but disagree with one of your points.

If the B1G and Pac were smart, they would join forces immediately, before the big boys get tempted to jump ship. I think to work they'd have to limit the conference to 20, which means some difficult negotiations with also rans (looking at you, Rutgers, Oregon St, Washington St, Arizonas, Utah, maybe Maryland or even NW). 

A conference with Michigan, OSU, Wisconsin, PSU, USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington at the top is VERY competitive with any version of the SEC. In terms of tradition, markets, alumni, academic prestige it blows it away. Might even be able to lure ND. 

If, OTOH, the B1G just adds KS and ISU, they've added two more football bottom-dwellers - basically conceding football. Doesn't make sense to me.

MI Expat NY

July 26th, 2021 at 2:16 PM ^

My feeling is that if you're going to cut your existing brethren loose, why even do this half measure?  Either try and put a 16-team national conference from everyone else with enough heft to match or exceed the SEC (obvious choices: Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, USC, Oregon, Washington, Clemson, FSU, Miami, ND and find six other maybe based on geographic balance), or simply have most of those same teams join the SEC.  The latter seems to be the easier path.

I don't see a Big Ten/Pac 12 coalition happening if it means members are kicked out, and if you're not going to kick anyone out, it's probably not a path worth pursuing.

UMinSF

July 26th, 2021 at 4:36 PM ^

Two things - First, I don't think a conference has to be comprised of only powerhouses. Even the vaunted ess eee cee has the Mississippis, Vandy, SC and Missouri to push around. Randomly joining forces with schools around the country with no history or ties of any kind is, to me, worthless - exactly how I feel about giving in and joining the SEC. 

Second, I disagree that simply joining forces with the Pac is not worth pursuing. I would much rather be partnered with them than joining a super SEC.

Would a 26 member conference be clunky? You bet. But at least it would be a coalition of like-minded institutions, and probably set up a long term model for others to join (select ACC schools and ND come to mind). Basically, it would be a step toward a 2nd super conference - and IMO a huge conference featuring Michigan, OSU, Wisconsin, PSU, USC, UCLA, Oregon and Washington would be a fine counterbalance to a super SEC.

Here's the main thing - joining a super SEC does NOTHING for Michigan, unless you're driven solely by FOMO and SEC envy.

JonathanE

July 26th, 2021 at 2:47 PM ^

I do not think this is going to end out being as seismic as people are imagining. Dropping Texas and Oklahoma into the SEC will mean that the SEC is finally going to have to upgrade from the current 8 conference game schedule. Heck, this could even force the SEC into a 10 game conference schedule. Conference games are harder to win than non-conference games. 

Oklahoma is used to going 11-1 heading into a championship game. Does anyone believe that is still going to happen, especially with SEC cross-over games? Even mighty Alabama may begin to show some cracks. People will still point to strength of schedule but how has that worked out for Ohio State? Ohio State has been passed over for a bad loss even with a much stronger strength of schedule. Alabama can get the benefit of the doubt with the eye test but that's not going to happen for the rest of the SEC. 

An playoff increase to 12 teams will help the SEC but in the current 4 team playoff format, this could hurt the SEC more than help. 

RedRum

July 27th, 2021 at 9:05 AM ^

It’s going to be fine. It’s not like there won’t be a shift of talent to another school. Saban isn’t immortal. The pacific north east may be the next hot spot of college football. I think we are freezing one variable and projecting the evolution of other variables and convince ourselves that the imagined conclusions are logical. If the answer is terrible, check the premise. 

KC Wolve

July 26th, 2021 at 11:36 AM ^

So many schools are going to get gutted from this. Sucks really bad for my alma mater KSU. So many sports will probably get cut due to the loss in revenue. Really sad. 

drjaws

July 26th, 2021 at 12:05 PM ^

Realign it all. If we're going to have college football be a de facto minor league, then let's make it interesting.

Make 4 super G5 conferences and each is aligned with one of the four super P5 conferences.

Then have relegation like they do for soccer.  Top two MAC teams in any given year get to play in the B1G the following year, and get cuts of the B1G TV money. The bottom two B1G schools play in the MAC.

I think this would help save some smaller schools athletic programs.

Naked Bootlegger

July 26th, 2021 at 2:56 PM ^

I'm 100% on board with the relegation model.   I know it will be super difficult to implement since it requires an entirely new infrastructure and way of thinking, but now is the time to do it as the super conferences are crystallizing.   The relegation model makes the regular season very interesting.    The SEC is now the de facto English Premier League.  So let's cut the fat, make a few super/premier conferences with satellite second tier (Championship and League One in English football lexicon) conferences that can enable a few teams to be promoted into the super conferences each year.

I know this won't happen, but one can dream.  

befuggled

July 26th, 2021 at 2:48 PM ^

Exactly. Frank Solich at Ohio was apparently making nearly $600K annually and he's at the low end of the scale (I'm looking at this). It's not the end of the world if college football contracts a bit at some programs, or if some programs go down a rung to whatever they call Division I-AA now.

And I say this as an alumnus of a MAC school (Miami NTM).

Macenblu

July 26th, 2021 at 11:37 AM ^

Texas and Oklahoma (and others down the road) are going to get what they want.  Time will tell if they're going to want what they get

DTOW

July 26th, 2021 at 12:29 PM ^

People have been saying this for about a decade and its as nonsensical now as it was back then.  The NFL's popularity by any metric is so far beyond every other American sport that its not even fair to compare.  The NBA is the second highest rated programing and regular season NFL games basically double that of NBA Finals games.  The NFL isn't going anywhere.

mpbear14

July 26th, 2021 at 12:48 PM ^

When the best college football players can make millions without playing a down in the nfl, what do you think will happen?

The NFL will survive but it won’t be the version we see today. The best college players basically need to be drafted. Play their first contract and retire since they’ll have such a ridiculous financial head start.
 

Scenarios the NFL has never had to worry about. 

mpbear14

July 26th, 2021 at 1:14 PM ^

You're trying to compare all other sports to Football?  You serious with that one?

The toll football takes on your body and brain far outweighs whatever risk any other major professional athlete takes. We've already seen some of the best NFL football players in our home town hang them up IN THEIR PRIME, to save their body. 

You better believe that's going to be much more common going forward when these players are already sitting on financial security. 

mpbear14

July 26th, 2021 at 2:46 PM ^

I work with a 7 year NFL vet and a one time pro-bowler.  What you said isn't remotely true though I understand why you think that. The NFL isn't going to promote the other side of that coin.

 

The majority of NFL players hang on to their careers as long as they can for the pension and the financial security it brings their families.
 

Blue@LSU

July 26th, 2021 at 11:54 AM ^

It's interesting to see all of the SEC slappies in the media and fanbases completely change their attitudes about UT and Oklahoma. When they were in the Big 12, they were second-rate teams without defenses that couldn't compete against the teams in the SEC. Now that they're joining the SEC, they've miraculously become premier teams in the country.

kehnonymous

July 26th, 2021 at 12:11 PM ^

Given the surefire seismic ripple effect this will have for CFB, the Big (four)Te(e)n, and eventually us, I don't even think these threads need the OT disclaimer anymore.

BlueMk1690

July 26th, 2021 at 12:54 PM ^

The Big Ten has no play here without a fundamental restructuring of the whole way Big Ten Football is set up. And that will happen or the Big Ten will cease to exist. We're on the first mile of the marathon that is the professionalization of this sport. Based on experience, it seems likely the Big Ten will give everyone else a 1/2 mile head start.

trustBlue

July 26th, 2021 at 5:00 PM ^

For what?

The Big Ten is the most lucrative P5 conference.

Even if a Texas-OU deal pushes the SEC to parity with the Big Ten, or even slightly ahead in terms of revenue, so what?

Unless you are adding a premier program (ND, Clemson, USC, maaybe Oregon), anything else just dilutes the revenue pool for the remaining Big Ten teams.