this week in unintentionally grim-sounding recruiting headlines
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|8 weeks 3 days ago||Dunno||
What's so impressive here? These guys are high-end D1 college athletes in a money sport i.e. the closest thing to a pro athlete you can be without qualifying as such. I kinda expect them to be pretty buff. I doubt the guys on OSU or MSU are going to be like "oh crap those Michigan guys went to the gym this summer".
I also don't think this is creepy really. Contrary to rumor these guys are adults and they are adults whose current occupation relies on them being in top physical shape which they are happy to showcase to the world.
Now, there's recruiting sites where some guys seem to have a suspiciously large database of photos of shirtless H.S. soph and junior "recruits" exerting themselves. I think that's a tad creepy.
|9 weeks 17 hours ago||Does anyone really think a||
Does anyone really think a standardized test that there's a gazillion practice courses and books for and which you can retake as many times as you want would stop a highly prized recruit from joining the team?
Let's face it, passing the TOEFL can't be extremely challenging. There's plenty of international students out there who can barely order a sandwich in English and somehow passed that test.
|11 weeks 2 days ago||I don't *prefer* the split M||
I don't *prefer* the split M but I also don't think there's anything wrong with it. It's just an alternate logo. Most pro teams have two or three logos.
The whole "we shouldn't spell out Michigan because it's obvious" thing is kinda silly because there's quite a few other teams using just a block M and in some parts of the country it's not especially obvious it stands for Michigan. I've seen black Michigan hats with just a yellow M on it and I thought to myself: "Wait, this is virtually identical to an old school Mizzou hat?".
And Bama is a silly example because not only do they have a logo with their A which also spells out Alabama Crimson Tide, they also have the elephant logo for further differentiation.
And guess what, I always thought Bama's A looks uncomfortably similar to the Braves' A. Given that there's probably many Braves fans in Bama - many of which are probably Auburn fans too - that's a bit uncomfortable.
|19 weeks 1 day ago||Richardson's rookie year was quite bad.||
I've seen a few people in this thread talk up Richardson's rookie year. That's laughable. He was not good at all as a rookie and he got to near 1000 yards (like that even means much in the NFL) because the Browns kept running him in spite of the futility of it. They may have hoped that cumulative stats would make him better trade bait (it worked) or that he'd turn into a better back by just using him loads (didn't work).
His stats that year were comparable to those of broken Michael Turner who quit football after the season.
Draft status led to him getting far more carries for the Browns than justified, it led to another team giving up assets to procure him for no good reason, it led to him getting another deal with another team.
It's not that teams would get a guy who was drafted high if he looked awful otherwise but it's not that easy to tell good from meh players even for scouts and personnel people. So they often tend to focus on the tangible, the factoid that you can use to sell yourself and others on a guy. A guy being a high draft pick is a good way of hedging - after all if you screw up the blame is in a way shared with all those other talent evaluators who appear to have messed up as well.
|21 weeks 2 days ago||I'm a big fan of New Era||
I'm a big fan of New Era 39thirty. I'm rocking a navy 39thirty New Era with maize block M all the time these days. I like the 59fifty look too but there's no New Era hat size that fits me well so it's either too tight for comfort or a bit too loose.
|21 weeks 3 days ago||Groundhog Day||
This thread is on every college team forum every time there's a coaching change, isn't it?
There's a reason all those guys with their radically different philosophies and approaches keep getting hired for big money jobs..nobody has a frickin clue which one of them is better (hint: the outcome is probably not notably different enough that anyone can tell).
|21 weeks 4 days ago||I have a hunch the % of NHL||
I have a hunch the % of NHL players completely faithful to their significant others is not exactly enormous. But then given how often these guys are out of town and how many of those relationships might be based on $$$$, I can imagine it's not entirely one-sided either.
I remember the photos of those Wings players a few years ago partying with college chicks. 40+ year old Chelly front and center. I remember reading an interview with Chelios post-retirement where he said the thing he missed the most about hockey was the parties after the games. I think that's pretty common in the NHL, get out of the arena at like 11 30 ish, head to some local spot as a group, VIP room etc. Easy to imagine a lot of rings end up in pockets when that happens.
|21 weeks 5 days ago||OSU||
If OSU is the yardstick then LC's record is unfortunately underachievement. And I don't know many people here who are willing to concede superiority to OSU for good.
|21 weeks 5 days ago||A sidekick rather than a shot-caller||
Most of it is fairly generic coach speak. All this stuff about physicality, being intense, committed, tough etc. is literally what every coach wants and says he wants. I don't know if he is especially articulate, the repeated use of "want-to" makes me cringe, but then who cares really.
But one thing is obvious even from the interview: the guy knows his role. This will clearly be more of an OC by committee type deal with Harbaugh having a lot of input. We'll see how it shakes out but I don't get the sense here of a guy who thinks he's going to be in control of the offense. I see a Robin who very much knows who Batman is and has built a good career on the back of that.
|22 weeks 1 day ago||It's a business||
and spinning the truth your way is a big part of it. College football coaches - and HS coaches - need to not just be good football people, they also need to be talented salespeople and politicians.
Has anyone ever recruited on blunt honesty? Of course not. Kids don't really want the truth, kids can't handle the truth, same goes for fans, donors, the media. People want good news, people want to believe you're a good guy. It's your job to sell that and sell it good. Urban is very good at it but he's not the only one.
|22 weeks 5 days ago||Oh well||
Richard Loeb was a Michigan frat bro in the early 1920s so it's not exactly a news flash that the school gets its share of narcissistic rich kids (like any other top university).
Just think that in a few years' time some of these people will probably get *paid* to do this for your favorite pro team or the company you work for...
|23 weeks 16 hours ago||If calling a man a dime a||
If calling a man a dime a dozen empty suit is "too even-handed" a description then Brian was probably not severe enough in his condemnation of him.
Brandon was awful, my post was more a criticism of the melodramatic, hysterical style of the post. When I saw that we'd play Appalachian State again I thought it's kinda weird and a bad idea but it didn't cause an existential crisis for me.
And regarding the Morris/concussion thing, that's 90% on Hoke and the "Hoke's a great guy" hedging in this post doesn't make a lot of sense. It's dishonest to pin this primarily on Brandon. Brandon handled it poorly but Hoke caused the PR disaster all by himself.
Hoke is getting some kind of pass at the moment while Brandon is getting the full scapegoat treatment. The weeks between the Utah game and the PSU game were a low point for Michigan football IMO (lower than "The Horror" for sure) and Hoke was more responsible for that than Brandon.
|23 weeks 18 hours ago||Athletes in being dicks||
shocker. Stop the presses.
|23 weeks 18 hours ago||Weren't RR's violations||
Weren't RR's violations supposedly caused by clerical "oversights" in the department? Didn't RR and his supporters insinuate that there was lack of support within the department, that there were Carr cronies who set RR up to fail from the start?
The whole "Michigan Civil War" thing that this blog discussed at length occurred *before* Brandon was hired.
I don't think Brandon was hired to clean things up but he certainly came in and made big changes. My point is that anyone making big changes to something as crusty and inflexible as a university administrative department (and in my job I regularly deal with them) would face considerable hostility. Not all anecdotes about Brandon necessarily reflect the absolute truth.
And with regard to the student protests. It was an accumulation of things. Many of Brandon's changes were likely to specifically p-ss off the active fan section of the student body. Then you had the extremely underperforming football team, then you had a general climate of discord around the program from fans to former players - which, again, pre-dated Brandon. You had influential blogs such as this one fan the flames of opposition as well.
Brandon is just *one* of many characters in Michigan football's tale of woe.
|23 weeks 19 hours ago||Exaggerated||
Scheduling Appalachian State again was quite dumb, but not the My Lai massacre. Matte helmets and weird uniforms aren't my cup of tea - but the kind of stunt favored by Athletic Departments all over the country.. Those emails were gauche, tone-deaf and dick-ish, but not outside the range of dumb internet things your daft uncle might do - without rendering him the second coming of Joseph Goebbels.
Brandon is a dime a dozen empty suit whose moronic mistakes played a part in putting Michigan football in a bad position. But the mistakes which most contributed to it - firing RR and hiring Hoke to replace him - were mistakes a healthy % of this blog's readership would have made as well.
This polemic turns him into a caricature of a villain and does so with a certain sharpness and moral absolutism that is a bit off-putting. In reality, of course, the rot in Michigan football had set in well before Brandon turned up and there is plenty of evidence to suggest that Michigan's Athletic Department was a place in dire need of an overhaul at the time as well.
And though it has been shown that Brandon was definitely not the guy to do that job, I have no doubts that *any* person given the job of cleaning up the Athletic Department would have faced a lot of inside hostility, malicious leaking to the media etc. like you know a certain "outsider" former Michigan football coach who I know is held in quite high esteem by the author of this blog.
|1 year 22 weeks ago||Re:||
Seems like the problem was really generated by Maize Rage overstepping their bounds. It's unfortunately one of the realities you get accustomed to that both student groups and organized fan groups in general offer perfect outlets for Napoleon complexes, cronyism, favoritism etc.
|1 year 27 weeks ago||Delusional||
I find it funny that there are now Michigan fans trying to crap on Burke just to defend Joe Dumars's choices. Now even if you are a Pistons fan first and a Michigan fan second (a terrible choice fwiw), the guy has been an awful GM and inexplicably still has a job.
You know a team is in the dumps when people buy into outlandish rationalizations just to defend the team "it takes 8 years to rebuild in the NBA these days" "you just gotta get lucky with the draft picks" or "it's impossible to win with a young O-Line".
|1 year 30 weeks ago||..||
Those things don't have to be mutually exclusive. The Big Ten was almost certainly simply far better than the West Coast teams well into the 20th century for a variety of reasons, so the issue wouldn't have articulated itself.
Since then things have shifted towards a more level playing field. I don't think the Pac has generally been better than the Big Ten. With things pretty even more subtle factors are going to become more obvious.
The problem of East to West travel and the effect on sleep and performance is a widely known reality beyond the world of sports. This adds to the general issue of travel distance in Bowls with only one lower tier bowl played in Big Ten country and several including the biggest ones played in the territories of the PAC, ACC, SEC and Big12.
That doesn't mean that's the only factor at play or that it would explain all Big Ten losses out West but cumulatively it seems pretty obvious that it has played a role.
|1 year 30 weeks ago||Those RR classes were ranked||
Those RR classes were ranked #10, #8 and #20. So I guess we should be a terrible 13th or so in the country based on those terrible classes.
Except we are probably about #45 and there's many teams ahead of us performance-wise who would never sniff those kind of rankings for their classes. Including Kansas State.
|4 years 16 weeks ago||I'm not the biggest college hockey fan..||
so I don't know how to place this result. Are we happy to have gone this far or should we have beaten UMD?
|4 years 20 weeks ago||??||
The hit wasn't accidental, the fact Pacioretty's face hit the stanchion was. A guy like Chara, at that size, isn't changing directions on a stamp when he is skating at speed. He commits to the hit, if he hits him just a fraction earlier or later he goes against the board on the bench or into the glass after the bench (which is probably what was intended). The "shoving" the head into the stanchion part is him finishing the motion of checking a guy. Chara wanted to deliver a message but the message wasn't to "destroy Pacioretty's head", it was just supposed to be a tough hit in a rivalry game.
I don't know how you can say it's intentional but then go he shouldn't be suspended. If you believe a guy would actually plan to a force another player's head against a stanchion to injure him, you should advocate for him to be banned for life because that would show complete disregard for safety or fairness taken to extremes.
|4 years 20 weeks ago||Accidental||
If he hits him 0.5 seconds later he's checking him into the boards. It's not a nice thing to do but Habs fans who think Chara intentionally had him hit that stanchion overestimate the ability of a guy that size to control his movement at high speed. It's certainly a reckless act by Chara to hit him in that location on the ice and deserving of something of a suspension (2-3 games would be fair in my mind), but Habs fans calling for him to be jailed are pretty lol.
|4 years 24 weeks ago||What I don't get||
is that if the Big Ten is the only place pretty much that guarantees you your scholarship (unless you do something really terrible of course) then why aren't recruits running our doors in? Surely, we would use that in recruiting in the South? And it appears to be a huge deal to people so really what gives?
I mean have you ever heard a kid go "I'm going to Purdue because that scholarship situation at Ole Miss is a bit shady" or "Michigan it is for me, the coaches in the SEC just seem pretty dishonest"?
|4 years 24 weeks ago||Like parachuting Sarah Palin into a college Democrats meeting||
Just seeing the thread title made me realize how this would go.
I honestly don't really think it's a good idea to keep dwelling on the bygones and keep starting predictable debates about Lloyd Carr, Rich Rodriguez, 2007 transition, "The Process" etc. The positions on those issues have basically become a matter of faith by now anyway. Nobody's gonna convince anyone.
I am one of the apparently small grouping of people who wanted RR out but hated the process and was pretty angry at the Hoke hire. But I've moved on, accepted the Hoke transition and look forward to the next season which should be the real subject of debate, not what happened years ago.
|4 years 24 weeks ago||He probably knew he was out...||
and thought he would get a job at Michigan as a nice cushion to soften the blow. No wonder he was so upset when Hoke didn't hire him.
|4 years 24 weeks ago||Everyone will make their own history..||
just like we already have competing narratives with Lloyd, there will be competing narratives with RR.
Lloyd the stale, old guy with outdated ideas who lost us too many games with his lack of openness to the new vs Lloyd the national championship winning guy who always kept Michigan competitive.
RR the terrible coach who never understood Michigan, tried the spread in a power conference and failed vs RR the progressive man with new ideas who was railroaded from day one by Carrite program reactionaries and was never given a fair shot.
Hoke seriously needs to be a winner or else the divisions will only get deeper as the competing narratives get new material added on to them...
|4 years 25 weeks ago||It's a no loss proposition for Hoke.||
Who doesn't want to be tough?
|4 years 25 weeks ago||Well it's all relative in the end but...||
how did that article really address the concerns about the process?
Yeah I think Brady Hoke did a good job salvaging the class from potential disaster but we're not working for the Hozni Mubarak information department here, look at the offer lists of the kids we signed.
They may all turn out to be great football players but within the paradigm of recruiting and signing day it's at best a good class and by no means a great class. And Maize'n'Brew Dave doesn't know any better what the future holds for them and us than we do.
The whole argument about the process being bad is that an earlier decision would have assisted Hoke or any other incoming head coach tremendously. I don't think it would have been a superb class even if Hoke had come in on December 5th or something but it could very well have been a better one.
|4 years 25 weeks ago||"Blowing it up" but Denard runs for 1000 yards?||
Has a QB ever run for 1000 yards out of the WCO?
A big part of me thinks that this whole Denard Robinson as athlete QB in a pro set experiment will end fairly quickly. Robinson already had a tendency to choose pass over run in the spread, coached to run a WCO you would expect this tendency to be even stronger. He'll be a passer who simply runs out of trouble or he'll not be the starter by the end of the year in my mind.
Also toughness is simply code for lining up and outmuscling the defensive front rather than trying to maneuver with mobile linemen. Something I don't think we've been very good at under RR and who knows how the linemen we have can adjust to that.
|4 years 25 weeks ago||Exactly||
A lot of people watching streams aren't taking money from anyone, they're watching stuff that just plain isn't aired where they live. In those live chats on streaming sites I'd say at least half the people are foreigners.
Illegal streams would find a lot less support if they truly globalize the entertainment industry instead of maintaining outdated and now artificial international barriers.