Bring it you negative nancies.
Bring it you negative nancies.
I'll give you 13-1. That's the best ceiling I can see...
Yes I know you are kidding, I think.
proved otherwise on the field, 14-0 will be the record
Many people like myself pointed to 2013 as THE YEAR things would turn for Michigan Football like it has this year for Michigan Basketball.
The schedule is the biggest part...our schedule was BRUTAL this year.
Next season, I seriously see us being undefeated going into the Ohio game. I think they're the better team, but we'll be at home and Hoke has never lost at home. I think we win, barely...like Keith Stone with no time barely.
With that said, I could see a rematch (dumber than dumb) in Indianapolis the next week.
If we lose at home to Ohio in the finale, I'm going to say we turn around and beat them in the B1G Championship game.
Nonetheless, I see us 12-1 or 13-0. That will be good enough for a National Championship game apperance or a Rose Bowl Game.
The outcome of that game will depend on the matchup...unfortunately I don't really like our odds.
So I'm going to say 12-2 or 13-1 with a National Champtionship or Rose Bowl loss.
why anticipate anything else?
also, there is only one tough game on the schedule: OSU.
10-2 and play for the big ten championship
Where do you see 5 losses? I ask this not in a snarky way, but am curious. I see 4 losses next year as a disappointment. 5 would be less likely than playing for the MNC, in my eyes.
ND, PSU, MSU, N, OSU
Penn Stateis going to really feel the effects of attrition next year. I don't see them winning more than 5 games.
I see your point. To me @PSU is never fun and they played extremely well this year without a few starters who left.
but agree with the other probably losses. Unfortunately, this is an easy schedule.
PSU will have scholarship losses and Maxwell at MSU is terrible, so I think we win those games.
with a win in the Rose Bowl. ND, ohio will be tough.
You're likely basing that off of the offense, since the defense should be marginally better next year. Would getting Green help change your mind? I'd think a loss is more likely at NW than PSU. Man, I just cannot see 5 losses. I saw 4-5 losses this year, just not next year.
Getting Green can't hurt, but I don't see how we move the football next season. DG is a converted WR who throws some awful jump balls and next year those will be going to Gallon and... Gallon. People should stack the box against us and make us throw. Our offensive weapons next year are looking pretty weak. I like Funchess, but it seems like DG just doesn't target him often.
Gardner is a QB. Calling him a "converted WR" is misleading. Yes, he played there the first half of the season, but he's a natural QB. In five games as a QB, the guy completed just under 60% of his passes, with 11 TDs and 5 INTs, despite not even playing or practicing at QB the first half of the season. That tells you how much talent he has. Give DG a whole offseason to get his timing/footwork down and I bet he'll do very, very well.
Also - you're predicting us to lose three home games. Hoke is 14-0 at home. Until proven otherwise, I wouldn't bet against him at the Big House.
But DG moved the ball pretty well against South Carolina, and their D is better than probably anyone we'll see in the Big Ten next year. In our passing game, we lose only Roundtree whose production can be easily replaced.
And the crazy thing, you talk about us not being able to move the ball, yet you think we'll lose to Penn State and MSU? You think they'll be able to do it any better?
Yes we did alright on offense against USC, but to me we had a serious dropoff when Denard wasn't on the field. He was our only consistent running threat and even when he didnt get the ball he kept at least 1 or 2 defenders distracted by his presense alone.
Without Denard next year, no proven RB coming back (unsure of how the injury will affect Fitz), an O line that should be slightly worse or about equal to this years, and no impact skill players coming in I could definitely see a big struggle on O next season.
I just google searched USC...here's what I got.
We have another DG coming in, and he goes by the name of Derrick Green. He WILL be here, and him and Toussaint WILL carry this team in the run game. Plus I likely the way Gallon has progressed and with DG#1 at QB and improving...WERE GOING TO THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But you're someone level-headed enough that I'm suprised you don't see that His Dudeness is just throwing shit out there to get a reaction. Or, in the parlance of our times, trolling.
Not worth the effort, however minimal.
I've noticed that he doesn't like to target Funchess as of now, which is baffling, since Gardner has the size to throw over the line. I wonder if Borges has them work on their chemistry this offseason, as that would be a huge tool for the offense. Losing Roundtree hurts, but that should be mitigated (I hope) by guys like Darboh stepping up.
I loved Toussaint two years ago, but this year he just seemed to be missing. Green would be a better option in my opinion, but luckily for us, we have a few younger options. I have a feeling that someone will step up and become our back out of this crop. I'm still hoping that is Green. Our OL should be better as a whole, but worse at LT. That entire group will continue to trend upwards for the next few years. Unless DG gets his redshirt, though, we will see a half step backwards with a young QB.
I think that next year's team will be slightly better than this year's squad, and will have an exponentially easier schedule. I know I am a broken record here, but I cannot see five losses.
I don't think it is about who is at RB as much as it is who is our C and OGs? I mean we can't run block to save our lives. I hope it gets better and it should. I just don't like the offense and I don't see it getting any better in the near future.
Kyle Kalis, Jack Miller, Chris Bryant. Maybe a Blake Bars or Graham Glasgow sprinkled in, with a slim chance of Kyle Bosch or David Dawson.
We've got dudes - some of them will step up.
I am not worried about the passing game. Gardner was up and down yesterday, but still, he played better against USC's defense than almost any other QB they faced. They were a very tough team to move the ball against this year. Also, Gallon's ability to get open against them was a revelation - that was not a bad secondary he faced, but they couldn't handle him. He looks like he's ready to be a superstar wideout. He may be short, but he's extremely quick and has great body control - he knows how to catch the ball at the height of his jump and to shield defenders from ball. That's a hard thing to teach.
Gallon and Funchess give us two guys that will be a load for opposing defenses to handle. Darboh, Chesson et al. should benefit from all the attention those two will command.
This. The skill positions will be fine. The passing game will be good to great, depending on the emergence of Chesson and Darboh. Devin's late season was incredibly impressive, given that he was thrown in as starting QB without even a bye week to prepare.
Next year's big questions on offense are how well and how quickly the new offensive line meshes. On the one hand, it'll have four new starters. On the other, Schofield may be better suited to LT than RT (as he seems like a better pass blocker than run blocker), the interior of the line can't be too much worse than it was this year, and we'll be plugging in players who were recruited by this coaching staff to run the type of system they want to run (likely a big reason for Omameh's and Barnum's struggles).
But if any of the line can effectively play center. Jack Miller and Graham Glasgow were the back ups this year, so we'll see if they're ready. However, Molk was never effectively replaced by Mealer, who was fine (definitely not stellar). I agree the skill positions will be fine, maybe even more than fine, and the guard play should improve as the year goes forward with big guys like Kalis, Bryant, and Braden, but the biggest need is better center play.
USC is a good defense, but not a great defense. Tyler Bray shredded them. Tyler Wilson had a good day against them, and Gardner's day wasn't all that different than Boyd's or Mettenberger's. I agree with you on how underrated Gallon is, but other than that, I'm not sure there's a lot of positives to be taken out of our passing performance against USC.
Tennessee's offense this year was probably the best in the SEC if not the country. They just had a shit defense. SC's defense is pretty damn good and I we moved the ball on them like I thought we were capable of and a little bit more.
think you were confused in sayin that devin throws jump balls.. Denard threw jump balls.. At least Devin can hit our WR in stride more often than not when he is on
Devin's first interception yesterday was such an arm punt that Tirico explicitly compared it to a punt. And he missed Gallon at least once when he was running free behind the defense.
He'll likely be more accurate than Denard was this year. He's not going to be Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady. And he's still going to make some dumb decisions. Such is the nature of the college QB.
I give it until his second INT next year until the fans who booed Brady and Navarre and Henne and Denard are calling for Shane Morris to come in.
Tirico was comparing it to a punt in that it was a long pass on third down. Coaches typically don't get upset on a long pass intercepted way downfield because its "like a punt" in regards to field position not trajectory
Disagree completely on PSU -- they will be awful next year. Of the other 4 you named I think M will most likely go 2-2. I see us at 10-2.
and Bill O'Brien did well. They actually don't lose much on offense outside McGloin (who is surely replaceable). The return a 1,000 yard receiver, two good backs, and 3/5 of their line. Defense loses a lot (Mauti, Hill, Hodges), but they've recruited well enough in the past to suggest their defense won't be awful (when's the last time Penn State had a bad defense). Years 3 and 4 are where you start to see the attrition affect things, but O'Brien is a good enough coach to hold together a respectable team.
They have not recruited all that well. They'll have almost no talent in their freshmen and sophomore classes next fall, so depth will be incredibly thin. Replacing all that talent on D will be very tough, especially for a team that already over achieved greatly.
And although McGloin isn't an All American, he will be tough to replace. At the very least, they'll be starting a QB with almost no in-game experience. That's not a great situation.
I'd swap out PSU for Northwestern.
Are you assuming Leveon Bell comes back? Otherwise I don't see how they move the ball. Also, they don't have defensive tackles. I'm not too worried about MSU.
I think they will have a great WR corps next season and we couldn't score against them this year and certainly won't be able to next season. Call it a hunch.
A great WR corps next season based on what? Certainly not this season. And who will be throwing it to them?
They lose Bell (probably) and Sims, and their offense could be even worse next year if you can imagine that.
Our offense will be better next year with Gardner at QB and the OL shouldn't take much of a step back since replacing Omameh, Mealer, and Barnum shouldn't be too hard. Our RS freshman can probably run block better than they can right now anyway. If they gel, they could be good.
Why will we "certainly" not be able to score against them next season? They lose some key guys defensively, and we'll be playing a QB better suited to attack their secondary (which, while not bad, was still probably their weakest link). They've shown for a couple of years now that they don't get beaten by run-first QBs like Denard. Downfield passing has been the most successful way to move the ball on them.
I agree.. Devin can throw the ball downfield.. Denard couldn't.. Denard also missed a wide open gallon in the endzone and missed several other easy chances to score against MSU this year.. We should of won comfortably, instead it was a nailbiter..
I don't see MSU improving so drastically, and even if their pass game imrpoves Bell is basically gone.. So how will they run? Nick hill? lol..
Who are these great WRs?
Burbridge is good. Fowler is okay. And maybe DeAnthony Arnett will show up.
But I'm still not worried about MSU next season. UM's defense will be better, and State loses Max Bullough and both their corners. Narduzzi would be smart to cash out now too.
Where's the threat?
Next year is when we need to be in the Rose Bowl. 11-1.
Ann Arbor and home game crowds in Evanston and East Hartford. Sign me up for 14 - 0 with JeepinBen.
Defense will probably be pretty good, but I don't see our O line and receiver issues getting any better unless a bunch of people have break-out seasons.
I'm not worried about receiving. Gallon and Funchess seem like two good receiving options to me. Someone else will emerge to complement them.
Now OL . . . OK, that could be an issue.
Gallon yes, but I don't think Funchess will be that much of a threat. He had a break-out game this year against AF, but his production trailed off after teams were able to scout him. He'll be a weapon and matchup problem in red zone and key situations, but I don't see him as a down field weapon. That said, if he puts on some weight and gets better at blocking, his usage and production could both increase.
The issue with Funchess this year was that he wasn't a very good blocker, so when he came into the game, it telegraphed the pass. (Also, he was a true freshman, and who knows how well he knew the playbook. Under normal circumstances, he'd have redshirted.) With an offseason to bulk up and work on his blocking, he should be able to develop into an all-around TE next season.
was UM's lack of a running game. The play action is often used to hold the LB's so the tight end can find a hole between the safeties and LB's. However, as you mentioned Funchess in the game usually telegraphed pass and with no running threat out of the rb's, there was no reason for the LB's to bite on the play action.
The other issue is outside of Gallon, UM's wr's didn't do much. Teams didn't worry about having to double team Roundtree or Dileo. You can production out of both wr's and a viable running game, and the field opens up which gives Funchess more space in the middle of the field.
I see Funchess breaking out big next year. This year with Gardner, I think Borges was avoiding throwing over the middle to limit turnovers. Gardner needs work on not telegraphing passes, and I think that's why he didn't go over the middle to Funchess. Next year, our biggest weapons ourside of Gardner are Gallon and Funchess. Borges will set up the offense to maximize their production.
I'm thinking 9-3, though I think our schedule gives time for our oline to mesh before the real competition (with the exception of ND, which may serve as the early challenge to show where they need to be). 3 losses, to either ND, Northwestern, Nebraska, MSU, and OSU. With all the home games and our track record at home, and Northwestern being almost like a home game, I think we win 2 of these games.
ND will be an early test but they're dealing with a ton of turnover as well. It'll be an interesting barometer for both programs.
ND doesn't lose a lot, despite what you all think. The offense is going to be considerably better and our secondary will be at full strength.
I'll go with 9-3. (Loss to ND or PSU, MSU or NU, and OSU). I consider this a shade pessimistic, since the schedule is very favorable.
Do we have a competent center?
Can the sophomore receivers replace Roundtree?
Will we be able to get a decent pass rush from the DE spots?
Can we live without Kovacs (M. Robinson or D. Thomas)?
On the one hand, we have uncertainty on the offense everywhere but at QB and even there depth is rough. On the other hand I don't see any games I would call a likely loss, to go with five toss-ups. I'm thinking 9-3 sounds about right for the regular season.
Wr: lose Roundtree, but gain Darboh and Chesson (1 of them has to be good, right?)!
OL, we lose a bunch, but have good recruiting
RB (assuming no/ <100% Fitz) we are kind of screwed (maybe Green works out or Rawls gets better?)
QB: Solid with Devin, death as a backup
TE: Set with Funchess
I think offensively we are worse, mainly because of losing Denard and a few O-line guys, but another year in Borge's system with all practices of said system and Devin Gardner, who is pretty solid mitigates some of that.
Fitz was in a boot at the bowl game, and someone asked him about it and he said he would get it off in a couple weeks. Hopefully he can be back up to speed by fall with that much time.
will be young - uneven in football next year.
Can't put a win loss on it. They will be young, talented, but very inexperienced at key places on offense. They need a running back, lord willing Fitz can make it back.
They will win quite a few, lose a couple or three, and probably play in the Capital One Bowl. A couple of years until big things still.
Its going to be fun beating a Top 5 ranked ND team UTL.
0-12 cuz borges sukz lol!!!!!11!!!!1!!!!one
but keep in mind that while Nebraska will be good, they are a horrible road team. I think our chances of winning that game are very favorable.
That being said, I think our record will be surprisingly good next year given that the tough games are being played at home, similar to 2011. I say 10-2 maybe 11-1.
10-1 and Play in the BigTen Championship game.
Wow, not one but TWO Wife Day's!
I think the WR problem is overstated...if Gardner hit open Wrs even half the time in the bowl game, I think we could have won by at least a TD. I think Dileo is good and I expect either Darboh, Lewis, or Chesson will step in to the starting lineup. I also think Funchess will help hide concerns in the passing game. However, the OL is concerning, but I think it will be good enough to go 9-3 with a 95% CI of 2.2
Not going to predict how we do in the bowl game because it's silly to do that. 8-4 for the regular season again.
L's: ND, PSU, MSU, OSU
Borges will find a way to score less than 18 in each of those games.
Why PSU, if I may ask? They lost their seniors and the scholly reds and transfers will start to hit them next year. I don't think it'll be easy but I don't expect to lose that game either.
My first game in person was '69 OSU. I've seen too many nut ups in 43 years.
Seems M falls one game below great more often than above or breaking even.
3rd gen/dad of 4th gen Blue fatalism.
You guys judge a guy for trolling when he expresses a little old-guy pessimism?
I don't waste much time posting here because the site has turned from a place for a decent conversation into an junior high school playground with all the little whiny bitches complaining about whether the title was descriptive enough, or whether another little boy was following the rules, the assholes who just want to fight if you challenge an idea, the little boys with the hormones chasing the girls, the little boys who want to be big boys talking about how much they are drinking tonight, and the guys who dream of being high school heroes.
Break into the lineup, then talk.
When you've played more games there than I have, put 'em up on the table.
On paper, we more than likely lose to ND. Admittedly, I haven't looked into what they return on defense, but if they have a Dline anything like this year's, our 4 new starters on OLine in the second game will likely have issues.
I like that we get Neb and OSU at home, should be W's.
I don't like traveling to East Lansing, but do like that we get an extra week to prepare.
@PSU is typically scary, but we'll see if O'Brien bolts to the NFL. I'd expect some players and recruits to also bolt.
@NW is a concern. They're getting better, and we're due for our once-a-decade Evanston loss.
I'd say L's to ND, MSU and/or NW.
Man, why couldn't we have played that schedule this year? So much easier.
I'm pretty sure ND loses a lot on both sides of the ball. With the game being in AA (and at night) I think we have a good shot at that one.
On offense we lose Eifert, possibly Wood, Riddick. If Wood leaves we have a stable of capable RBs to fill in (Amir Carlisle he of SC transfer, George Atkinson III). We'll lose 1 OL, if I recall, and our WR corps will remain untouched, with the exception of Riddick in the slot. That job will fall to more than likely Davonte Neal. He is a Norfleet type guy.
We'll lose Teo on defense.
Will return current starters Nix and Tuitt (NG, and DE). Gone is Kapron Lewis Moore, whose spot will likely be taken by Sheldon Day who played well as a FR this year. He's probably going to be a better pass rusher than Lewis Moore but is likely not as strong of a run defender. The other key backups return across the board for the DL as well.
The defense will almost certainly take a step back without Teo, but Nix returning and Diaco presumably staying on as DC again next year are big reasons for optimism for ND's D in '13.
9-3 and we will beat Sparty in EL. It will once again come down to the Nebraska game for the legends division.
There's not a single game on the schedule that we can't win, so 12-0 (hell, 14-0 with a NC) is totally possible. But there are too many issues for me to actually predict that. Will the OL be ok with 4 new starters? Will we have a Big Ten level RB? Can any WRs not named Gallon step up and produce? Can Countess return from his injury without any problems? How will the secondary be without Kovacs?
I'm going to say 10-2, with the most likely losses to ND and OSU (the two teams that will be able to truly exploit our OL).
Don't forget Wormley. If he can come back (and stay) healthy, I have a really good feeling about him. Once we can generate pressure with the D-Line alone, coupled with more athletic/experienced support in the secondary this defense will be scary.
I'm far from a Notre Dame fan, but it's silly to discount their undefeated schedule. Sure, USC was down, but they still won at Oklahoma, and beat Stanford, in addition to beating Michigan. They were lucky to survive the Stanford and Pitt games, but their schedule wasn't soft. Ohio State's was soft, ND's wasn't.
As for Michigan next year, Denard's injury may provide a hidden benefit of getting Devin experience in big games and hostile environments. You could see in the past two games what his main weaknesses are ... occasional inaccuracy and a tendency to hold onto the ball too long. Now the coaches know what they have to work on with him. I'll say we go 10-2, losing to ND and, in an upset, to Northwestern, but still going to the championship game.
I don't think anyone is discounting their season, many of us just assume it is just not sustainable.
The OP, for one, described it as "a very soft unbeaten schedule." They've actually played a more difficult schedule than Alabama. They certainly got lucky numerable times, though.
If by "sustainable," you mean, "beating Alabama," I think you're right. If you mean, "consistently fielding better teams than the past 20 years," I think you're unfortunately wrong. This season is going to bolster ND's ability to recruit, removing the "why would you go there, you're just going to go 7-5 every year?" burden. As long as Kelly stays there, I think they'll be strong. (Cmon NFL).
It just needs to be unsustainable for two more years.
Let me specify, as I was unclear about what I meant.
They are a very beatable unbeaten team. I think that will be evidenced with the MNC they are about to get blown out in. Outside of us and our multiple unforced errors, they could have lost to Pitt and Purdue. Their schedule was not soft, but Stanford did not impress me that much in the Rose Bowl. Oklahoma was a coup, I gave them little chance in that game. I give them an even smaller chance in the title game. I think they are a very good, but not great team.
I agree with all this, apart from the bit about Stanford. I think ND's going to lose by two scores in a game that isn't really that close.
10-2 with losses to ND and Nebraska.
I think we will be solid on defense and pretty good offensively, but obviously injuries and the development of the offensive line will be vital to our success. Right now, I see us about where we were in 2012.
Granted, I will probably change the prediction based on how the spring game looks and whatnot.
If you asked me right now, I'd say we're optimistically a 11-1 or 12-0 team, depending on what happens against Ohio State. A LOT of that will depend on how the offensive line looks. If it is as bad as it was this year, I can see us struggling against Notre Dame's D. Defensively, we'll lose Campbell, Roh, Demens, Floyd and Kovacs, but I think we have plenty of guys who can step up in their places. Defensively, we'll be as good, if not better. The offense will be the big question.
I feel fairly confident that we see Michigan and Ohio State play twice next year. I know a lot of people will be pissed about this, but I love the intensity of The Game, and it'll make for two awesome battles.
I think NW should be pretty good next year. Maybe better than Nebraska.
I think 3 Ls. ND, NW, OSU.
keep in mind NW loses basically their whole offensive line
Losses to ND, MSU, OSU and PSU.
11-1, Legends Division Champs
I think we go 9-3, with some luck 10-2. Questions I have are this, who is our starting running back/can we run the ball effectively, and can our O-line hold up all season. Having said that, I like our schedule and a trip to the BIG Championship is quite possible.
I honestly can see them winning all of those games next year... as long as they play sound, disciplined football.
This is my big concern. The good news is with the the exception of ND, the first half of the schedule doesn't look that difficult on paper. Barring key injuries, I'll be disappointed if UM isn't at least 6-1 heading into East Lansing. Hopefully by then, the oline will have settled down and gotten comfortable.
I also like the bye week before Sparty.
I'm with you on the O-line improving throughout the year. I see us being about as good next year as this year with a better record and ending the year on a high note. I see our O-line, DBs, LBs, D-line and WRs all playing some young guys and getting much, much better as the year goes on.
Like this year a toss-up on whether we go to the Big Ten championship game and great optimism heading into 2014.
Knock-on-wood, should be good: CMU, Akron, UCONN, Minnesota, Indiana, Iowa
Win 3 of 6 against: ND, PSU, MSU, NEB, NW, OSU
11-3. Losses at Northwestern, vs Ohio, and vs Ohio again in the B1G title game. Michigan heads to the Capital One Bowl and finally knocks off an SEC foe.
That would be a really fucking depressing year. Start out 9-0, likely top 5, lose 3 of last 4.
If we do that (a huge IF with ND and ohio at home this year), I see Michigan going 11-1 and making it to the B1G championship game.
I believe the offensive line is going to be a superior group to this year's line. Redshirting all those freshmen offensive lineman is going to pay off handsomely in 2013. They will be young, but have a year of college under their belts, plus a year in the system. They also have more talent than this year's group had, so if we can coach them up, this offensive line will be a handful for everyone they face.
I am bullish on how good we will be 2013. The Brady Hoke era is going to soar starting this fall.
10-2 big ten champs
Losses to ND and PSU
I'd feel a lot better if Lewan was coming back and if I had some sense of where the rushing yards will come from. It would be nice to have someone to catch the ball other than Gallon and Funchess too...I think you have to put the defensive backfield down as a big question mark as well, though I think there's reason for hope there.
The DBs? I disagree. Assuming Countess gets healthy, they should be very solid. Lots of experience, and an upgrade in athleticism.
We don't know what Countess will be like post-injury, and we only saw him be inconsistent (though he was of course a freshman) before he was hurt. I think it's likely that he'll be both healthy and good, but that's a bit of a leap of faith. As for the rest of the DBs, does Thomas Gordon move to Kovacs' spot? Can someone out of the group that is Taylor, Avery, Richardson, etc. step up and be a good second starting corner? Who will play FS if Gordon moves? Who will play SS if he doesn't? My guess is that we'll see Countess and Taylor at corner, Gordon at SS, and Wilson at FS, which could be a pretty good group, but I'm not going to bank on that given what I said above about Countess and given the roasting that South Carolina's receivers gave rest of the DBs yesterday.
DB's? I would feel a lot better if we had some athletic ends and d-linemen that could create pressure so we didnt have to blitz every play. Instead of the anchors that we have.
but other than Lewan which is a big loss, and perhaps Kovacs and Roh on D who else are we losing that has people concerned?
love him all you want but what is graduating is a good 2-3 turnovers a game (add turnovers if we are in opponents territory and the game is on the line)....
Devin has thrown an Int in every game he's played, and with losing Denard we lose our whole running game. Granted we still have an offseason, but there's no way losing Denard is addition by subtraction. Our interior OL, probably, but not Denard
Denard makes plays. Who is that explosive on our roster? Huge loss unless, we get a super frosh/ unknown. Devin also exhibited some accuracy problems in the bowl game. That gives me pause too. Still I like 10-3 with that schedule and would consider 4 or more losses a setback on the Home progress meter.
9 wins is the floor. I feel like OSU and Notre Dame were given too much credit this year, and next year when we're starting to build up a lot of talent, I could see us winning both those games too. Same with Nebraska.
I'd say 10-2 is likely. The team that showed up in the Outback Bowl would've gone 10-2 this year, beating ND and Nebraska. Next year the defense will only get better and I can't imagine that the O line will get any worse given the coaching staff. All in all, 10-2 looks likely.
Plus i pretty much got used to the idea of having Devin back there after the last 4-5 games.
Some of you are funny. Jim Jones would be so proud.
I don't think we will lose at home though nebraska/osu/ND will be tough...
i see us losing at NW and the big ten championship game
5 for sure wins: CMU, Akron, @UConn, Indiana, Minn
8 losable games: ND, @MSU, @PSU, @NW, @Iowa, Nebraska, Ohio, Bowl game. I think we lose 2 road games, a home game and the bowl game.
Under Hoke we are 14-0 at home, but only 5-7 road/neutral site.
I am very optomistic about the offense if the lineman can step up. Kalis is going to be a stud, I think. And DG slinging the ball to Gallon, Funchess, Dileo, and Darboh and Chesson coming up is going to be fun to watch.
I expect a Big Ten championship with a rematch against Ohio State. And I think we can beat them twice.
13-1, hopefully 14-0.
The reason I put that we would lose the championship is because I think it will be a rematch and generally beatting a team twice is pretty tough.
9-4. 10-3 the ceiling.
Just think about this season... 4 of our 5 losses were within 2 possessions and we could have easily, had we made adjustments, won those four games. I see us only getting better offensively with D-Gard leading the attack, and the D-line and secondary only improve with time... 2 losses at most... We win all 3 rivalry games for the first time in a while. I'm definitely optimistic about next season.
True, but we also could have very easily lost to NW and MSU.
so your saying we broke even...This is especially true if you take into consideration the luck we got last year....
Not including the Big Ten title game, my prediction for 2013's record is based on:
So I guess I am way optimistic or think the schedule isn't too bad. It's the "all marquee opponents at home but MSU" odd-year schedule that throws me off; I probably count home field for more than it's worth.
Being more realistic, we'll probably drop 1-2 of MSU, PSU, ND and Nebraska and sit at 9-3. Hope DG gets a 5th year but who knows what that schedule will look like right now.
The way-too-early lines, if you just go from the latest Sagarin numbers, would break down something like this:
Games where Michigan would be favored by more than 10 points: Central Michigan, Akron, UConn, Minnesota, Indiana and Iowa. Based on what I can see now with these teams, we're very likely to have six wins just there.
Games where Michigan would be favored by 2-10 points: Nebraska, Ohio State. I think we could take Nebraska at home. Ohio State probably is a good each way bet in Ann Arbor. Conservatively, 1-1 in this tier.
Games where Michigan gets less than a point either way: Penn State, MSU, Northwestern. Penn State's number is one I wouldn't worry about because I think they start a long slide in this coming season and should be highly beatable. We get MSU and Northwestern away, and those will likely be tough ones. I could see 2-1 in this group right now though.
That leaves Notre Dame, the only game in which, even with home field consideration, we would be thought of as the underdog (by a TD) by the numbers. That being said, the game is here in Ann Arbor and I could see this one being a game that, if we play as good on defense and don't turn the ball over quite so much, we could easily win. Much will depend on how we capitalize on ND's mistakes and mitigate ours.
I would think the 9-3 or 10-2 range would be feasible based on way-too-early numbers. We'll definitely know more going into the spring and late summer as all these teams work.
The back end of that schedule is rough.
11-2 and Big Ten Champions. We will benefit from an easy pre-conference schedule to get new starters honed in on their technique. Our D-line will be better, with Pee Wee ready to go and Black replacing Roh, our LB's will be killer, and our secondary significantly improved (assuming Countess plus safety replacements that work out). That means a Tremendous defense. The big question to me is the ability of the RS Freshman O-line to step in. Again, the easy preconference schedule helps here. I have huge confidence in Gardner with another off-season of prep. Assuming Fitz healthy, Green/Smith able to contribute, Darboh/Chesson joining the mix at WR. We should have a capable offense. So capable offense + great defense = Big Ten champions.
Thank you for being the first person to even mention Smith. That kid doesn't get nearly the respect he deserves.
I'm gonna say 10-2 with a big10 championship which would allow us to play in the 100th Rose bowl. As it should be.
I think we can reach double-digits in wins. If (huge "if") the young OL can gel, it can be a special season. If not, a pretty similar year to this one, but with a couple more wins because the tough ones will be at home this time.
Lots of issues offensively
I dont think we will have near the issues that most think.
Wait, did I do that right?
13-1 with a victory in the Rose Bowl.
13-1. Losing one stupid game we shouldn't.
Final record: 12-2
Preseason prediction accuracy last preseason (for 2012): 100%
Way early predictions for out years:
2014: 11-3 (no playoffs)
2015: 13-1 (lose 1st round of playoffs)
2016: 12-2 (no playoffs)
2017: 15-0 (National Championship)
2018: 10-4 (no playoffs)
A lot hinges on the O line. If they can marginally improve from this year (realize this will be hard and certainly unknown with mostly new starters) this may allow our offense to be more balanced.
Next year we should have a lot more of the personnel we need on offense but many of then will be new. Lots to talk and speculate about in the off season. Balancing this with a favorable schedule leads me to 10-2 expected record.
Notre Dame will take a significant step back, as will Penn State. MSU is probably a 7-9 win team, Nebraska is a 9-10 win team, and OSU might be awesome. We'll be heavily favored everywhere else.
For us, the defense should be better and the offense might actually be better equipped to score in the games we need it to next season. It adds up to about an 8 win floor and an 11-12 win ceiling to me, and I'm usually a pesimist. I'd guess 10-2 with a title game appearance against OSU.
This assumes Derrick Green comes and either he or Smith can play well right away behind an offensive line that is pretty good by the end of the season despite early struggles.
Can you explain how ND will take a significant step back? Lose Teo & Eifert, and Eifert was barely a target this year because he was double teamed most of the time. Most of the defense comes back, and most of the offense does as well? Our secondary will be light years better since we won't be starting true freshman at CB.
Hate to agree with Mr. Phork several times in this thread, but I see no reason for a major drop-off in ND's play next year. Do I think they play for another national championship next year - no. Do I think it highly likely they are a double-digit wins team - yes. Outside of Kelly bolting for the NFL (or Diaco leaving, I guess) it just doesn't seem reasonable to predict a severe drop off from this season. I hope I'm wrong, but, honestly, I see that defensive line having a field day with our young and green offensive lineman next year.
this will be a very good year.
There are too many variables to make an accurate prediction. However, I'm sold on our coaching, and think that we're actually going to see a significant uptick with this being the third season under Mattison and Borges.
Here are the variables I can't predict:
I'm actually pretty optimistic about the line play IMPROVING over this year, on both sides of the ball. I'm also optimistic about Gardner doing a lot better at passing with a full Spring, summer, and Fall practice under his belt. I just don't know about the running backs.
If all goes well with the above bullets, I see Michigan going 10 - 2 or even 11 - 1. If things go so - so, I see 9 - 3. If poorly, another 8 - 4 campaign.
6 games are tossups, ND, @PSU, @MSU, Nb, @Nw, OSU. i hope to break even in these, but figure will probably drop a weird one along the way, at iowa maybe.
i like that the schedule starts a bit easier, except ND, to allow the young everyone to gel. the OL will be 80% new, the WRs will be mostly new, RBs will be inexperienced or delicate. i think the defense will be alright, so hopefully the ND game is a slugfest that we can squeak out with a kick.
With a relatively young team, particularly on the lines, the two bye weeks may come in really handy, allowing the coaches to split the season into thirds.
2. Easing into conference with first big away game (@PSU).
3. Stretch run, beginning with MSU.
I like the placement of the bye weeks on the schedule.
10-2 or 9-3 heading into the B1G championship game. All losses are close or in overtime, one of them off of a field goal that bounces off the upright...I had a dream last night, ok?
so I don't have a prediction, but is MSU really supposed to be that good? I'm just wondering. Seems a lot of people think they will beat us. I thought they were losing a few on defense, and L. Bell is going pro, right?
games in East Lansing are pretty tight. Not saying UM can't or won't win, but rarely does UM have an easy game in East Lansing.
Their biggest issue was their O-line, which was one of the worst O-line units I've seen in the B1G, and I remember Michigan '08. They literally cannot be worse (not saying they will be good, just they can't be worse). Bell was really good, so I'll call the run game about the same. The pass game should slightly improve because of improved O-line play though. I actually don't think Maxwell was that bad, his problem was he got Joey Harrington disease where he freaks out in the pocket and checks down immediately because he knows his O-line sucked. That may ruin him, it may not, but he (or whoever else plays QB for them) will probably be fairly average next year. Their WR started getting better towards the end of the season (sucked up until the Michigan game) and Burbridge looks really good.
I think their defense stays about the same. They lose some guys but have some talent to replace them and most importantly still have their MLB (I think he's a really good player). Defense will keep them in pretty much every game, which means they won't be an easy win by any means. They look like about a 6-9 win team next year with an easier schedule and depending on how their O-line and offense as a whole comes together.
Central Michigan - Win 45-10
Notre Dame - Win 24-17
Akron - Win 55-13
at UConn - Win 38-17
Minnesota - Win 38-24
at Penn State - Win 42 - 10
Indiana - Win 44-24
at Michigan State - Win 31-14
Nebraska - Loss 31-34
at N'western - Win 42-28
at Iowa - Win 42-10
Ohio State - Win 38-35
Big Champ Game vs Ohio State - Loss 42-28
Sugar Bowl vs Stanford - Win 24-17
I don't see it. I really don't see it against MSU or ND depending on who they bring back. Especially when it's going to take time for Michigan's O-line to gel at the start of the season. Your record could be correct (I don't think it is, but it's not completely crazy), but I don't see the offense going that wild.
Defense should be pretty good, some big question marks on offense.
Still a year or two away from a BCS championship caliber team, me thinks.
We should easily be 6-1 or 7-0 heading into November; ND is our only potential loss before then. Once in November, we have three tests: at Sparty, Nebraska, and Ohio (Northwestern will be pretty good, but we should be able to beat them unless things go really badly).
Sparty should once again have a very good defense and a crappy offense, so that should be a tough game. But I think Borges' comfort level with the things Devin can do at QB, instead of his relative discomfort with Denard's skill set, will allow him to counter Sparty's throwing rock (their constant run blitzes), and we escape East Lansing with a W.
Nebraska should be tough as well. Taylor Martinez has beaten the odds and transformed his career in shotput into effective QB play, and their defense is sometimes pretty good. Still, I think we would have beaten them in Lincoln this year if we had non-disastrous QB play in the second half, so I think we'll be able to beat them at home next year.
Ohio is a real wild card. Obviously Meyer knows how to use Braxton Miller, and they should have a pretty scary offense next year as well. However, their defense has regressed badly since the Tressel days, and they were 6-0 in 2012 in games decided by less than a touchdown, which is unsustainable. If I'm doing my math correctly, they had about 9.1 pythagorean wins, which suggests that they were a good team that was extremely lucky to go 12-0. They will probably be better than us on offense, but we will probably be better than them on defense. This game feels like a complete toss-up.
Since I don't think we'll lose to ND, MSU, Nebraska, and Ohio, I think 9-3 is the floor. If we discover even a halfway decent running game, we could go 12-0 with a little luck. I'm going to say we split the games discussed above and go 10-2.
Unfortunately, one of those loses will be to to OSU in the big house. Hoke's seat starts to get toasty.
For a team that will probably have 4 new O-linemen and with at least two of those being freshman. Fitz may not be back entirely by then either, same can be potentially said for Countess. Michigan also replaces two along the D-line, and one at LB and two at DB. While there is talent behind those loses, it is still young. I think what a lot of people on here are predicting is the ceiling (or at least in that direction).
Realistically, next year will be between 7-5 regular season and 11-1 regular season. I think 8 or 9 wins is most reasonable. And for those saying the schedule is easy, I wouldn't go that far. ND (depending on who returns) will still be quite good; @PSU can be tricky regardless of losses; MSU's defense will probably still be able to keep them in every game (not saying they win, but @MSU is no gimme); Nebr. will still be tough, especially their offense; NW's offense can always cause some scares; and OSU should be good again next year.
That's 6 potential areas where Michigan could realisticly lose (individually, I don't think it's realistic to say they lose all of them, nor do I think Michigan won't be favored in any of those games, I just think there is enough odds that either team can win). I also don't see any sure-fire loses at this point. Obviously, a lot depends on who stays and goes, and things can still change dramatically.
I would be disappointed if it is not at least a 10 win season with the all the big games at home. I say back 12 - 2 with loss to PSU and a tough bowl game. Beating Ohio 2 weeks in a row will be sweet.
Quick take on Nebraska next year:
PROs--schedule much easier dropping OSU-WI for Illinois-Purdue, Senior 4 year QB, most of Offense's playmakers returning, Defense with more potential (but inexperienced) playmakers
CONS--losing many Defense starters (maybe a PRO as well :D), schedule has road game vs Michigan
Oh and this is a good time to say how much I enjoyed watching Denard play. Think you guys will be fine with Gardner or backups, RB not so sure.
These probably require more explanation, but snap thoughts.
Central- Should be a decent MAC team, good RB in Zurlon Tipton, but it's a win.
Notre Dame- This Notre Dame resurgence this year was truly shocking when you think about it. They're defense was good last year, but they lost most of their secondary and one of their future studs in Aaron Lynch. Yet they produced an elite defense. So betting on their demise is probably foolish. However, they lose three big receivers (Eifert, Jones, and Toma) and 4 linemen. They'll be able to replace Wood/Riddick with Atkinson, and Golson should be more comfortable, but they're defense won't reach this year's level, and the o won't improve drastically. Plus, Michigan shut them down this year, and should play better O at home. Win.
Akron- Bad Mac Team, next
@Uconn- 5-7 Big East team, so you would guess that we're better. Plus, I've actually had the misfortune of attending a game in Storrs, and that stadium is not intimidating. I saw Navy pummel them there 41-17. Not loud, not big, football team is eh. Win
Minny- Jerry Kill will have Minnesota at Northwestern-esque levels soon. 7-9 wins every year. The way they were able to hang with a more talented Texas Tech team really impressed me, and the fact they were in a bowl is impressive considering they were a tire fire last year. Still, Brady Hoke at home versus an team this caliber is a W.
@PSU-Here's where I see our loss. They don't lose much on offense, and if Bill O'Brien can turn McGloin around, then he should turn better recruits into better QB's. Lastly, I haven't seen Brady Hoke win a big road game yet. Against an offense I expect to be good, like PSU, this is a tough road game. L
Indiana- Good offense, awful defense, we should win at home. W
@MSU- First big road win here for Hoke. They're going to lose Bell, and they still have huge issues at QB. Year after year we here about how the line there is going to finally step up, and each year it underwhelms. I see a similarly defensive game, because they play like al-Qaeda against us, but we're better equipped to take on a D like that with Gardner (they let up huge passing plays, not huge runs).
Nebraska- They return an O we shut down for the most part. They lose 8 guys from a bad defense that could only stop the Bellomy's of the world. We shut them down and torch them like in 2011.
@NW-Lots of people see a loss here. I don't, because of how Greg Mattison responds to bad defensive performances. This year, the D responded to bad performances against ND and OSU from 2011 and kept the team in the game. Next year, he'll draw up a plan to neutralize NW unlike this year. It'll probably involve our improvement on the D-Line with Pipkins and another year of Q Wash coupled with better LB speed from Bolden and Ross. Offense should score like always.
@Iowa-They should improve, they always seem to under Ferentz when nobody likes them, but the talent gap was clear this year. They don't have the guys waiting in the wings at QB and RB (lol) to fuel a huge offensive resurgence. Sloppy, but good win.
OSU-After the way the D contained Braxton this year, and the O showed flashes before going into a shell (and the offensive creativity against South Carolina), the potential is there to correct the past game's wrongs. I see this rivalry as a back and forth affair until Urban's gone, and the game shifts to Michigan. W
At ND, Jones will be back next year, as will 4/5s of the OLine. And the secondary will be much improved and not starting true freshman.
Notre Dame's offense doesn't scare anybody; the heart of the team is the defense. And the defense is losing 4-6 starters, depending on whether Nix and Shembo go pro, including probably the most valuable defensive player in college football. If the defense allows 17 points per game - still a very good number, but a far cry from this year's 10 ppg - then ND looks a lot more like a 9-3 team than a 12-0 one.
With that schedule 10-2 is a disapointment. If we play like we did yesterday with Countess back and another year for Gardner to improve and Mattiosn to work his magic we'll easily go 10-2.
I like how Northwestern was overlooked by the author of the post. If what they put Michigan through this year, their peformance in their Bowl game and the recollect of 2000 (the shoot out at Ryan Field) doesn't open your eyes what will. I would hope teams would not over look NW seeing how they beat a team no one expects them to beat every year.
As for predictions I see Michigan going to 10-2
Losses to either Neb/Northwestern/Penn State/Notre Dame and of course Meyer is gonna come in and rip your hearts out with a lost to Ohio State, I kid I kid but what do you expect me to say Michigan will win. Yeah right!
Have fun playing Penn State at night in the us vs. the world mentality, glad we get them at home this year...
As the OP, I feel required to say that further into the thread, I argued that losing to NW was more likely than losing to PSU.
I'll be the first to admit I'm more of a realist than an optimist when it comes to this stuff. When I see weaknesses or previous failures I am more apt to assume they continue until proven otherwise. That being said we will also break out at some point into a strong team with a suffocating defense and powerful offensive line. I just don't know when that leap will happen.
These are so hard to predict because we will have a number of close games that could go either way. There's an outside chance we could go undefeated and then lose in the NC game and there's an outside chance we could lose 5 games if many things don't work out and/or we have injuries. Just imagine what happens if Gardner goes down for the season.
Our difficult games seem to be ND, at NW, at MSU, Neb, and OSU. My hunch is we drop 1-3 of those and potentially drop one unexpected game. So, I'd guess our regular season finishes 9-3. It's hard to say if that's enough to put us in the B1G championship game. We are probably in the Outback or Capitol one game again and draw another top SEC team like FL, LSU, SC, or A&M, which also could go either way. My biggest concerns are (I can't believe I'm saying this) NW and OSU. I honestly think we win the division if we beat NW, but that's as far as I can say I'm confident we get post-season wise.
I think we have a decent chance at 13-0 heading into a BCS Game, who knows what can happen in a one game win it all situation.
I think we go at least 10-2 and Legends champs, so 11-2 or 12-1 if we stumble only once.
Remeber folks, in 1997 we had a bunch of new guys starting on O-Line and they dominated cause they were really good, I have a feeling that can happen next season too.
Our Defense is gonna be intimidating next year with a lot of depth and speed and strength, teams are gonna have a hard time scoring against us.
If we can get one of the RB's to break out and have Darboh and Chesson help out adequetly as WR's,then the sky is the limit. I have a real good feeeling about next year.
I'd say 9-3. Hoping for 10-2.
I don't like making predictions, but because they're fun to think about, and ive got time to kill at the airport, I'll do it anyway:
Central Michigan-blowout win, Gardner shines
Notre Dame-the ND offense is nothing to be intimidated by, and while they should still have a solid defense, they won't be anywhere near as good w/o T'eo. Michigan will be hungry to put them down in what is likely our last ND home game in a long time. And it's at night. And Hoke doesn't lose at home. Win by 1-2 TDs.
UConn-in what will be a virtual home game for Michigan, every UConn fan will leave by the half wondering when basketball starts.
Minnesota-not a blowout, but UM wins comfortably. Kill has Minnesota on the right path, and I think they will be competitive for at least the first half.
PSU-their defense is depleted of its stars, and the offense is relying on a JUCO transfer or a true freshman with little depth anywhere else. Had they still had their defensive leaders, I'd be inclined to call this a tossup, but I think UM by 1-2 TDs.
Indiana-closer than we'd like, as their offense is clicking, and will give our secondary some issues. But their defense will still be pretty bad, and will be ultimately, yet again, what holds Indiana back from a big win.
MSU-Michigan enters this game in as a top-10 team. MSU will give them all they can handle and then some, and they will be energized by a home crowd and Dantonio having planned only for this game all year. But I'm not sold on Andrew Maxwell at all, who will pick up the load from Le'Veon Bell, and the defense will undoubtedly lose some key players to the NFL. UM by a touchdown.
Nebraska-this could be a beat down, seriously. I'm not sold on Nebraska as being a good team at all. They went to the title game solely because of bad reffing and getting the luxury of playing a Denardless Michigan offense for 3 quarters. The defense is terrible and could get worse. And Brady Hoke does not lose at home. Michigan is ready for revenge in this game. Michigan by 2-3 touchdowns. Pelini's hot seat gets hotter.
Northwestern-Sadly, I'm predicting a loss here. Pat Fitzgerald's team is on the verge of a major breakthrough, they finished a 10-win season, and they bring EVERYONE back. That option will continue to give the defense fits, and I just feel like Michigan will lose one game next year that they shouldn't. Northwestern scores a TD with 20 seconds left to seal the deal. A team that is dreaming of playing for a national title goes home crushed.
Iowa-yeah, it's at Iowa, but as long as they have their current OC at the helm, I'm not worried. Michigan enters this game angry from the week before, and Iowa is their punching bag. Michigan wins by at least 4 TDs.
Ohio-this will be an all out war between what may be two top-10 teams. Braxton Miller will be one year better, which is a scary thought. But the OSU defensive line loses a lot, and will have to rely on young talent. Should fit in nicely with what will be an extremely talented, yet extremely young offensive line for Michigan. This is a toss-up, but I think Michigan pulls through in the end. Derrick Green or Deveon Smith will take advantage of a suspect Ohio front seven. Plus, Brady. Hoke. Doesn't. Lose. At. Home.
11-1 regular season record, meet Ohio in the BTCG game. Beyond that, tall bets are off.
Yeah, I'm a homer.
I like the approach, but I think the odds you have on some games are too low. I don't think UConn, Minnesota, or Indiana would win that matchup 2 times out of 10, and Akron might win 1 out of 100. I think ND and OSU are tossups at home, and MSU should be more like 0.65.
ND and OSU should be 0.5 at the least . . . they're at home. Indiana also should be more like 0.9 (really - it's Indiana).
I feel your assessment is good and possible. I think between the Huskers, ND and Buckeyes we lose one, and then another loss in either B1G championship or bowl game. It all comes down to whether we have a strong passing game or not. A still substantially unproven QB and unknown at RB and whether there is any elite or two really good receivers on team 134 in my mind that could be the downfall.
Too many people see us losing to ND, during Prime Time, at the Big House. Not to mention Brady Hoke is also undefeated in the Big House. Ohio scares me, but look what we did this year. EWe would have won if it wren't for running the same damned play actions, and Vinny Mid sections over and over again. Nebraska is a team that seriously scares me. LOL @ Penn ST. I think we will pull off the shockers. Gibbins wins the Groza, jake Ryan is 1st team Big Ten along with Countess, as he has a breakaway year with Ints, yes I said it INTS! The offense will get by, but we will be know defensively. Last year we ranked 19th, and everyone thought we lost too muich talent to continue. But it was our "explosive offense that let us down this year, as we rose to 11th. Just imagine next year, with our D-Line (they gained so much experience this year by rotating), the young LBs (My God Bolden is going to be good) and the DBs should be inproved( yeah we don't have Kovacs, but Dymonte Thomas??????????? If he lives to the hype and plays well as a FRESH, Countess is back, Taylor should be imporved and Courtney give reliable pass defense from the nickle.)
Sorry for my post appearing like scrambled eggs about ready to be cooked into an omelet. I am actually a writer, but I am hyped for next year. So screw it!
...I remember those. I used to love INTs!
Those were great...
Remember we also get Shallman, Smith, and most likely Derrick Green. RB is a position that freshmen can play right away. see Marcus Lattimore
or TJ Yeldon. or Adrian Petersen. or just about any other elite college RB one can think of.
9-4 (5-3 in B1G), Going to Florida again for a New Years Day bowl
Michigan will be ^-^ in football!
10-2 playing for the B1G championship. I see ND and OSU as the only losses, and those might be winnable. PSU has weapons but no one to get them the ball. Nebraska loses about half of their starters. MSU will still be good defensively even with the players they'll lose, but they won't have a running game (top 2 backs gone and interior line turnover) so they'll have to throw it a lot more, which Maxwell can't do (the job will belong to Cook by then) and if they're one dimensional they'll be eaten.
MSU will be worse next year for sure. Bell was their offense and he's gone now. That'll be one of those games where we have the better team, but it will be close in a hostile environment on the road.
We play a bunch of close, low-scoring games in the regular season and lose two of them. We then either win the B1G championship and lose the bowl, or lose the B1G title game and win the bowl.
Do you down voting turds, even for one second, think to yourself how absolutely ridiculous it is to negatively moderate a post because it predicts a record less than 9-3 in a thread where opinions on records are being solicited?
Alright, Debbie. Check out any of the prediction threads for this year and show me the same level of optimism/homerism.
Healthy gardner and fitz; 9-3. Injuries in the backfield; 7-5.
Fitz won't be back next year. I would highly doubt it.
We play Penn State and Sparty away, I can see us possibly splitting based on...football-ness.
I don't see Hoke suddently losing 2 home games in one season...maybe one. Maybe none.
So that's two poential losses, call them 1/2s...making us 11-1, or 10-2 in the non-conceptual world.
We win the Big Ten Championship game to go 12-1/11-2 and get positioned to play a major BCSpower in a major BCSbowlgame for Hoke's first chance to take on an elite team with a squad of his own slightly-seasoned recruits...
Brady will get his second 11(+?)-win season at Meeeeeeeeeechigan.
Short answer made long and presented as a pair:
12-2 or 11-3.
I may change my answer to 11-1. I thought ND and OSU were the likely losses. Looking at the two teams, ND will struggle next year. They lose a lot of players. OSU, unfortunately, will probably be even better next year. What little they lose is replaced by possibly better players at many spots.
ND doesn't lose a lot of players.
I see one of two things happening this year for the rivalry game.
1. The winner will go to Indy as both teams will need the win
2. Ohio State and Michigan will be on a collision course to play in Indy after The Game? Any thoughts or disagreemenst about this...
I think a lot will depend on whether or not Gorgeous Borges can fix the run game. If Green comes in and lights things up or if one of the current RBs decides maybe to perhaps step it up a couple hundred notches, then I see a great season. Also, I think a lot will depend on whether or not Countess can make a comeback and contribute. I'm not overly impressed with the Taylor-Avery combo. If these things can come to pass then we make it to the Rose Bowl. If not, I think 9-3 is plausible.
10-2 losses to OSU and Northwestern, but we come back and beat OSU in the conference championship game.
with most on here. Its a Rose Bowl type season next year with a good off season of training and that softer schedule.
15-0 counting the spring game.
But doesn't Michigan also technically lose the Spring Game as well? So wouldn't your prediction be 15-1?
Good point. Darn you!
Losses to ND, MSU, and OSU. Fanbase will be in full meltdown mode by end of season, and not just because of the continuing string of idiot clowniformz.
Why ask? Just wait for THE_KNOWLEDGE to return from the future and tell us what happens
But I see us winning out! Maybe worst case we lose one random game but still make the MNC
If we lose one game next year we're not making the title game. Conference as a whole will be way too weak.
There's not going to be a ton of depth but I think there could be some good teams. OSU will probably be preseason Top 10, if not Top 5. Northwestern went 10-3 (and lead going into the 4th quarter in the 3 losses) and returns a good amount of people. Nebraska will probably be solid. From there it really depends on what schools like Minny, MSU and Indiana can do. It's definitely not going to unseat the SEC as the best conference, but i think the potential is there for it to be stronger than it was this year.
The big issue will be non-conference play. While the Big Ten wasn't that good this year, they took it on the chin in non-conference play - a lot of losses (some of those to MAC schools) and a number of close wins against mid-major schools. Fair or not, how a conference does in the non-conference slate goes a long way in determining people's perception of that conference.
12-1 , split with Ohio in the game and b10 Championship game. Who knows who we draw in a bowl game.
Count me as a member of the 14-0 club. There isn't a game on the schedule we shouldn't win.
10-2 playing in the BTCG against Ohio State (rematch, yayyy).
Losses to Penn State and Northwestern. The BTCG is a toss-up.
Rose Bowl or Capital One Bowl birth.
Even with our new O-Line, 9-3 or worse would be a dissapointment IMO (given that the big games are at home).
I think we start 5-0. ND at home should be a win next year. I think the next 7 get hairy. I think we should go 4-3. I think 9-3 is fairly conservative. Unfortunately, if those losses are in conference we probably don't make the BTCG. Here's to hoping I'm wrong and we go 14-0.
116-36, ties the Cubs for the best record in history. Obviously.
But seriously: I say 3 losses:
1) Notre Dame. Early season game for us breaking in a lot of new pieces and switching offensive systems. The O-line won't have gelled by that point like it will have later in the season and might struggle against ND's front seven. ND will be competent-to-strong, even though their Return To Glory will fall flat on its face next week
2) Ohio. In all the years that I've been old enough to be sufficiently sports-conscious, Michigan has won 4 times. Also Junior Braxton Miller is going to be a handful, to say the least.
3) Wildcard game: Seems like we always do this once a season. This year, the Ulnar Nerve reared its ugly head. Last year, it was Iowa. I could see a few defensive breakdowns at a key time making Nebraska a heartbreaker or something
9-3 regular season, The Weightroom division champions. I'll refrain from speculating further.
I think they're going to be better next year. They return a ton of people (hankins and simon are big losses though) and they'll be in their second year of a new offensive system.
in the regular season, a re-match against OSU in the B1G Championship game and then Rose Bowl victory over Stanford for a glorious 12-2 record,
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The pessimist in me says 13-1, but I am gonna say 14-0 with the closest margin of victory being 14 points.
Why does UM have two open dates?
Because there happens to be a rare five Saturdays in November next year, the season gets an extra week and everybody in the B1G gets two bye weeks.
Most notably, Northwestern gets two weeks of prep before their game against us.
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Until I see something to make me project otherwise, my default pick will be 9-3 with a 50-50 chance of winning a bowl.
wearing these uniforms for the ND game.
They'll also probably go 9-3.
This thread is really tempting fate with the, "Brady Hoke doesn't lose at home" stuff. I don't mean to be a downer but Im still grieving from the, "our safeties don't give up long touchdowns" line in Brian's bowl prediction thread.
Michigan is building something great but it takes time and 18-22 yo kids are a challenge to keep focused. I say 9-4. 6-2 in the BIG.
Oh and on the subject of wins next year I'm thinking 11-1 with NW being the only loss, but we'll see UM in the B10 championship game