An LB is out 6 weeks with an injury
September 2nd, 2014 at 10:52 AM ^
but, injuries are going to happen. We can sustain one at LB this year, and probably on the D-Line and secondary. We also appear to have more than one back and a lot of receivers. Need Devin and the O-Line in their cloaks of invincibility, though.
September 2nd, 2014 at 10:53 AM ^
But yeah, don't want anyone hurt or anything...but we are deep at LB.
September 2nd, 2014 at 10:57 AM ^
Is perfectly correct, if unfortunate news.
September 2nd, 2014 at 10:54 AM ^
but, but, Morgan started.....
/brian'd
September 2nd, 2014 at 11:14 AM ^
See, even Sam Webb agrees Brian should eat a lemon!
September 2nd, 2014 at 10:56 AM ^
...
/lemon'd
edit: Jaggs beat me to it
September 2nd, 2014 at 10:56 AM ^
Poop.
September 2nd, 2014 at 10:59 AM ^
Could also be Gedeon or McCray. They played most of that long ASU drive as I recall.
September 2nd, 2014 at 11:03 AM ^
I'm reading it's definitely not these 2.
September 2nd, 2014 at 11:17 AM ^
Pure speculation from game tape reveals that Gedeon seemed to have some shoulder trouble late in the game after a tackle. Hopefully he's alright.
September 2nd, 2014 at 11:19 AM ^
Not that I would want anyone to be injured but if it is Gedeon, this seems like a perfect opportunity for a medical redshirt.
September 2nd, 2014 at 11:36 AM ^
six weeks doesn't come close to a medical redshirt being granted.
September 2nd, 2014 at 11:43 AM ^
All they need is a documented injury and him not playing after the halfway point in the season, and he is eligible for a medical redshirt. I.E. they have ~1,000,000 LB's who are decent to good on the roster so they can just sit him the rest of the season.
September 2nd, 2014 at 12:21 PM ^
You need to have a season-ending injury for a medical redshirt.
Also, Chengalis (not suprisingly) had no luck getting any info out of Hoke just now:
Asked Hoke on Big Ten call if any injury conerns beyond Peppers/what his status is for ND:"We're not going to talk about about any injuries"
— angelique (@chengelis) September 2, 2014
September 2nd, 2014 at 12:36 PM ^
If they sat him the rest of the year it would be season ending and he'd probably get the medical.
September 2nd, 2014 at 1:12 PM ^
You well know that's not what's meant by "season-ending." This is all a moot point if it's the player being rumored as he's not going to sit once he's healthy again.
September 2nd, 2014 at 1:56 PM ^
Of the circumatnces on Gardners redshirt? Pretty sure it was closer to, "yep he stopped playing, but practiced when he could with that back injury.
So I think the rules would allow it and it fits the definition. But Hoke seems to be taking an approach that is pretty close to Beilein, in that, if they have the talent and skill to play, they will play. It's what the kids want, and really what Hoke wants. After three solid years of recruiting isn't it clear they have the stable full? With or without redshirts, you can still only get. Four years out of a player. This is a positive feedback loop, as quality players move on to the NF l faster, more quality players want to play there.
It also allows Hoke to have great incentive for players who need mental maturing like Hagerup.
September 2nd, 2014 at 1:55 PM ^
hamstring injury, something that can linger. Is trying to skirt around the rules worth the risk, especially when you have to supply documentation of the injury?
September 2nd, 2014 at 11:36 AM ^
The minimal redshirts stuff is getting out of hand. Gedeon was good when he played, but I would rather know they're going to have someone awesome in the future in addition to all the awesomeness they already have.
September 2nd, 2014 at 12:12 PM ^
We do have several LBs redshirting (Ferns, Furbush, Winovich, Wangler), plus Darrin Kirkland signed up already. I have to think that playing guys early helps recruit more guys.
September 2nd, 2014 at 12:23 PM ^
We had 12 and 13 players burn their redshirt the past 2 years so I think its pretty clear that if you are ready Hoke will play you. Anyone trying to negative recruit on that basis has zero legs to stand on.
There is no need to make a special case out of 1 player here or there to prove a point that has already been made. And frankly except at some skill positions for a very special player we don't want a bevy of freshmen out there. In most cases their heads are swimming and even a guy like Mone who is a huge guy will be a much stronger man down the road then he is today and most guys are not like Mone in terms of physical development. But we do play them if they make the case - see our LT who is probably 15-20 lbs below where we'd prefer. This is not basketball where many freshman make a serious impact.
September 2nd, 2014 at 2:03 PM ^
A lot of recruits actively look to see how you use freshmen. Getting known for using them makes recruiting easier.
September 2nd, 2014 at 10:59 AM ^
Don't be Morgan, don't be Morgan, don't be Morgan...
September 2nd, 2014 at 11:01 AM ^
6 weeks will put whoever it is back into rotation by the Penn St. or maybe MSU game. That should be fine.
September 2nd, 2014 at 11:03 AM ^
ND isn't chopped liver. and i kind of hope that no one gets injured.
September 2nd, 2014 at 2:13 PM ^
Of course, ND is not chopped liver. ND is chicken salad.
September 2nd, 2014 at 11:03 AM ^
Would it make me a bad person if I hope it's Ross or RJS? It's just that the SAM will be less important than the other two spots...
September 2nd, 2014 at 11:10 AM ^
but I'd guess if it's either of them that Ryan in some way shifts over and we get more of him, Morgan, Bolden out there at once.
September 2nd, 2014 at 11:53 AM ^
Instead of hoping who it is, maybe you can hope who it is not? Accomplishes the same thing, but might make you feel less like a bad person.
September 2nd, 2014 at 11:04 AM ^
almost certainly a broken bone, probably not of the leg. Not of the leg because nobody was helped off the field.
September 2nd, 2014 at 11:12 AM ^
Not that I doubt, I'd just like a link.
September 2nd, 2014 at 11:16 AM ^
A message board
September 2nd, 2014 at 11:18 AM ^
or someone posting a message about what sam webb said on a message board.
September 2nd, 2014 at 12:00 PM ^
A few links for you.
September 2nd, 2014 at 11:17 AM ^
I remember watching the game and seeing one of the LB's run off the field with his arm held in like it was hurt. I remember thinking it looked like he must have done something to it, but no mention on the broadcast of course. I'm sure it was Ross, RJS or McRay. if someone has the game on DVR, check either the second or fourth quarter I think.
September 2nd, 2014 at 11:22 AM ^
Unfortunate but realistically its football and injuries happen. Wisconsin lost both its DTs I believe in 1 half. We've been pretty fortunate this year unlike the last few ones going into the season.
Technically only 2 guys "started" since we opened with 5 in the secondary. But announced starters were Bolden, RJS, and Ryan (or if you believe Brian there were 4 announced starters). Not going to speculate since it is worthless to guess but Mike McCray will go from "7th LB" to 6th and potentially this pushes the Michael Ferns "no no burned redshirt please" into "well forced to burn a redshirt". As others have said of all the position groups this is the one that could absorb an injury along with perhaps DTs.
September 2nd, 2014 at 11:22 AM ^
They did have 4 LBs on the video introduction of the starters. Morgan was included. I thought it was strange too. They must have known Brian would have to eat a lemon.
September 2nd, 2014 at 11:25 AM ^
Can't edit my post but I wrote McCray would be pushed from 7th LB to 6th... unless it is McCray who got hurt of course.
September 2nd, 2014 at 11:24 AM ^
I think Ferns was already hurt going into the game also. it was reported before gametime by all the beat writers that Ferns wasnt on the dress list. Given that there is no limit to number that can dress at home games, I have to assume he was injured. Other freshman who had no chance of playing dressed so it wasnt a case of they knew he wouldnt play.
September 2nd, 2014 at 11:26 AM ^
Interesting. I thought it was a coach's decision to save the redshirt rather than have him run around on special teams but if that is accurate than maybe not.
September 2nd, 2014 at 11:47 AM ^
here was tweet prior to game
@Mark__Snyder: Not on dress list: Graham Glasgow (susp), Reon Dawson, Delano Hill (jaw), Jake Butt (knee), freshmen Drake Harris, Mike Ferns, Noah Furbush
September 2nd, 2014 at 12:09 PM ^
in just jersey as well, no pads. Did I imagine it?
September 2nd, 2014 at 12:20 PM ^
You did not imagine it. He was not in pads.
September 2nd, 2014 at 12:24 PM ^
behind the bench with a jersey and no pads.
September 2nd, 2014 at 11:20 AM ^
Sam verified random internet poster's post that a LB injury happened. All he said on the message board was that he didn't start Saturday.
September 2nd, 2014 at 11:29 AM ^
There's a huge difference between Sam Webb said, someone on a message board said Sam Webb said, and someone on a message board said that someone on another message board said that Sam Webb said.
I couldn't find anything on his twitter but did see a thread on another forum that I couldn't read.