"It's not about last year or who's here or who's isn't here," says your head coach. "It's about getting out here and competing and seeing who is here, and that's where we're gonna go."
An LB is out 6 weeks with an injury
but, injuries are going to happen. We can sustain one at LB this year, and probably on the D-Line and secondary. We also appear to have more than one back and a lot of receivers. Need Devin and the O-Line in their cloaks of invincibility, though.
Is perfectly correct, if unfortunate news.
but, but, Morgan started.....
See, even Sam Webb agrees Brian should eat a lemon!
edit: Jaggs beat me to it
Could also be Gedeon or McCray. They played most of that long ASU drive as I recall.
I'm reading it's definitely not these 2.
Pure speculation from game tape reveals that Gedeon seemed to have some shoulder trouble late in the game after a tackle. Hopefully he's alright.
Not that I would want anyone to be injured but if it is Gedeon, this seems like a perfect opportunity for a medical redshirt.
six weeks doesn't come close to a medical redshirt being granted.
All they need is a documented injury and him not playing after the halfway point in the season, and he is eligible for a medical redshirt. I.E. they have ~1,000,000 LB's who are decent to good on the roster so they can just sit him the rest of the season.
You need to have a season-ending injury for a medical redshirt.
Also, Chengalis (not suprisingly) had no luck getting any info out of Hoke just now:
Asked Hoke on Big Ten call if any injury conerns beyond Peppers/what his status is for ND:"We're not going to talk about about any injuries"
— angelique (@chengelis) September 2, 2014
If they sat him the rest of the year it would be season ending and he'd probably get the medical.
You well know that's not what's meant by "season-ending." This is all a moot point if it's the player being rumored as he's not going to sit once he's healthy again.
Of the circumatnces on Gardners redshirt? Pretty sure it was closer to, "yep he stopped playing, but practiced when he could with that back injury.
So I think the rules would allow it and it fits the definition. But Hoke seems to be taking an approach that is pretty close to Beilein, in that, if they have the talent and skill to play, they will play. It's what the kids want, and really what Hoke wants. After three solid years of recruiting isn't it clear they have the stable full? With or without redshirts, you can still only get. Four years out of a player. This is a positive feedback loop, as quality players move on to the NF l faster, more quality players want to play there.
It also allows Hoke to have great incentive for players who need mental maturing like Hagerup.
hamstring injury, something that can linger. Is trying to skirt around the rules worth the risk, especially when you have to supply documentation of the injury?
The minimal redshirts stuff is getting out of hand. Gedeon was good when he played, but I would rather know they're going to have someone awesome in the future in addition to all the awesomeness they already have.
We do have several LBs redshirting (Ferns, Furbush, Winovich, Wangler), plus Darrin Kirkland signed up already. I have to think that playing guys early helps recruit more guys.
We had 12 and 13 players burn their redshirt the past 2 years so I think its pretty clear that if you are ready Hoke will play you. Anyone trying to negative recruit on that basis has zero legs to stand on.
There is no need to make a special case out of 1 player here or there to prove a point that has already been made. And frankly except at some skill positions for a very special player we don't want a bevy of freshmen out there. In most cases their heads are swimming and even a guy like Mone who is a huge guy will be a much stronger man down the road then he is today and most guys are not like Mone in terms of physical development. But we do play them if they make the case - see our LT who is probably 15-20 lbs below where we'd prefer. This is not basketball where many freshman make a serious impact.
A lot of recruits actively look to see how you use freshmen. Getting known for using them makes recruiting easier.
Don't be Morgan, don't be Morgan, don't be Morgan...
6 weeks will put whoever it is back into rotation by the Penn St. or maybe MSU game. That should be fine.
ND isn't chopped liver. and i kind of hope that no one gets injured.
Of course, ND is not chopped liver. ND is chicken salad.
Would it make me a bad person if I hope it's Ross or RJS? It's just that the SAM will be less important than the other two spots...
but I'd guess if it's either of them that Ryan in some way shifts over and we get more of him, Morgan, Bolden out there at once.
Instead of hoping who it is, maybe you can hope who it is not? Accomplishes the same thing, but might make you feel less like a bad person.
Not that I doubt, I'd just like a link.
A message board
or someone posting a message about what sam webb said on a message board.
A few links for you.
I remember watching the game and seeing one of the LB's run off the field with his arm held in like it was hurt. I remember thinking it looked like he must have done something to it, but no mention on the broadcast of course. I'm sure it was Ross, RJS or McRay. if someone has the game on DVR, check either the second or fourth quarter I think.
Unfortunate but realistically its football and injuries happen. Wisconsin lost both its DTs I believe in 1 half. We've been pretty fortunate this year unlike the last few ones going into the season.
Technically only 2 guys "started" since we opened with 5 in the secondary. But announced starters were Bolden, RJS, and Ryan (or if you believe Brian there were 4 announced starters). Not going to speculate since it is worthless to guess but Mike McCray will go from "7th LB" to 6th and potentially this pushes the Michael Ferns "no no burned redshirt please" into "well forced to burn a redshirt". As others have said of all the position groups this is the one that could absorb an injury along with perhaps DTs.
They did have 4 LBs on the video introduction of the starters. Morgan was included. I thought it was strange too. They must have known Brian would have to eat a lemon.
Can't edit my post but I wrote McCray would be pushed from 7th LB to 6th... unless it is McCray who got hurt of course.
I think Ferns was already hurt going into the game also. it was reported before gametime by all the beat writers that Ferns wasnt on the dress list. Given that there is no limit to number that can dress at home games, I have to assume he was injured. Other freshman who had no chance of playing dressed so it wasnt a case of they knew he wouldnt play.
Interesting. I thought it was a coach's decision to save the redshirt rather than have him run around on special teams but if that is accurate than maybe not.
here was tweet prior to game
@Mark__Snyder: Not on dress list: Graham Glasgow (susp), Reon Dawson, Delano Hill (jaw), Jake Butt (knee), freshmen Drake Harris, Mike Ferns, Noah Furbush
in just jersey as well, no pads. Did I imagine it?
Sam verified random internet poster's post that a LB injury happened. All he said on the message board was that he didn't start Saturday.
There's a huge difference between Sam Webb said, someone on a message board said Sam Webb said, and someone on a message board said that someone on another message board said that Sam Webb said.
I couldn't find anything on his twitter but did see a thread on another forum that I couldn't read.
As a note to the OP, for board management purposes, it's easier if threads like this - particularly when it involves injury - come with the news itself because once it is announced we then have two threads where there perhaps could have been just one. Just a minor point, but the aim is to have as little overlapping coverage as possible to maximize the amount of unique news on the boards.
because this is the internet and speculation is rampantly assumed to have some origin in fact even if the reality of the fact is hard to discern.
I watched a BTN report on an injury to starting Dend on Nebraska in which Pelini was asked to update his condition. And Pelini then explained the reason why he was removed in the first half and not returned to the lineup was the flareup of a prio injury problem which was then fixed at the half
But it was decided to keep him out for precautionary reasons and that he would likely miss the next game and be available in two weeks against Fresno State.
Then, just as this report was completed, a crawl ran under a studio shot, saying that the player underwent surgery on Monday and didn't indicate how long he would be out.
During Monday's presser, there were no reports of Saturday injuries except a few comments related to Pepper's condition, which were either positive about his availability Saturday for ND but hardly informative or specific in their nature, and clearly permits the kind of speculation that goes on here in the wake of injuries being hidden by schools and coaches for specific reasons. And we can debate whether this should happen, but clearly it does.
What I am saying is that unless this forum has a policy on this kind of debate, these threads ought to specifically acknowledge what they are, and not purport to be something else. Because teams allow this kind of floating chatter to occur based on their internal news filtering.
There are many legitimate reasons for not wanting to indulge an injury thread where we lack the injured player's identity, but 'avoiding overlapping coverage' really isn't one of them. If half a dozen lemon eating threads could be left to stand, certainly the board can withstand a breaking news report on a player's injury and subsequent report on the player's identity.