How do you think this affects 12-team CFP?

I mean cap at 3?  You would be leaving out Penn State Oregon from the big 10 (was michigan osu)

SEC would leave out Missouri LSU  

maybe cap at 5,  and at that point there's no point anyway

The CFP will basically become the Big Ten - SEC challenge. 

ESPN’s SEC bias remains undefeated.   

In my ideal CFB world conference size would be capped at 12 (maybe 14) schools, conferences would remain regional, there would be 5 power conferences of roughly equal quality, there would be no conference championship games, and there would be an 8 team playoff with a cap of two per conference.  All first and second round games played on campus, with higher seed choosing their opponent.   Final played at rotating outdoor stadiums (Rose Bowl, Cotton Bowl, Soldier Field etc).   

Hell, I hate the auto group of 5 inclusion into the CFP. Part of me thinks they should cap the conferences at a certain number as well but you might have year where one conference just dominated and should get more teams in. Short answer, 4 or 12, there will be controversy. 

Zero.  Won't affect it at all.

If we had a 12-team playoff/invitational this year, FSU wouldn't get a bye but they'd still be a #5 seed and get a HOME game (and some sweet sweet sweet extra $$$$$$$$, an administrator's favorite thing) against SMU (or Liberty).  They'd be fine with that - they're in the bracket.

As regards a cap, neither the Big Ten or SEC would be on board with that.  Non-starter.

I think we should quit playing games and just see which teams look best in thier jerseys. /s

The thing is, neither FSU nor Alabama are a clearly top shelf team this year.  The original BCS would have selected Michigan vs. Washington and that would have been considered fair and correct.

With four teams, sure we're arguing about #5, but it's less important because Michigan or Washington were not left out.  The rest should be fodder for those two (not saying they will be, but should be).  We'll see how it plays out this year, but all expanding beyond four teams is going to do is take importance off of the late-Nov/early-Dec games and add it to the late-Dec/early-Jan games.

No one even remotely deserving is getting left out of a 12 team playoff, so none of this matters going forward.

I think the big change is the consequences of the debate between 11 and 12 vs. 13 and 14, although entertaining, has a much smaller impact on the overall tournament. 

Good riddance to the BCS and the 4 Team Playoff.  The people, somehow amazingly and shockingly qualified to be in charge, and come up with those systems, probably weren't qualified to tie their own shoes.  

Follow the money.  The story NEVER changes.

I think there are basically two conferences and everyone else.  They need to get rid of autobids and just get the best teams.  You are going to have some Big 10/SEC teams that have some losses at the end of the year that are going to deserve to be in the playoff.  They are probably going to beat each other up.

They need to simply determine a set of criteria for playoff teams, just like the NFL does. All this arbitrary bullshit just opens things up for Bawse Hawg and the guys to put their country thumbs on the scale, and it needs to stop. 

I don't know

Eventually an SEC team will have an injury to a QB during the season, and the committee better not over look that, and send that team down the fucking list....

What does "conference" mean anymore? There will be so few common games within the new 18-school format. Ties will be broken by national rankings where there isn't a head-to-head game, and there will be even more reluctance to schedule challenging out-of-conference opponents.

The committee likely realizes this, and including Alabama over Florida State isn't so much about Florida State's injury issue (they rose to the occasion and did what they needed to do to win after that) but to reward Alabama for risking (and losing) by scheduling Texas.

Maybe that's just it right there - they realize schedules will become even more diluted and uneven and they want to signal that if you're counting on sliding into those 7-11 spots with a 10-2 record and no strength of schedule, think again. (12 is reserved for the Liberty or what-have-you that emerges from the undercard completely untested).

Here's the fun thing--the rules they have for the 12-team format just don't work in the superconference era.  The format next year will be 6+6 (i.e., the best 6 conference champions and 6 at large teams.

So the 6 best conference champions in order would be Michigan (Big Ten), Texas (SEC), Florida State (ACC), Arizona (Big 12), Liberty (CUSA), SMU (AAC).

The next 6 best teams in order would be Washington (Big Ten), Alabama (SEC), Georgia (SEC), Ohio State (Big Ten), Oregon (Big Ten), Missouri (SEC).

So the teams get ranked in order but the top 4 must be from the conference champions list:

#1 Michigan v winner (#9 Oregon at #8 Ohio State)
#4 Arizona v winner (#12 SMU at #5 Washington)
#3 Florida State v winner (#11 Liberty at #6 Alabama)
#2 Texas v winner (#10 Missouri at #7 Georgia)

Which is...stupid.  Washington practically gets a bye to the semifinals because they lose the hypothetical Big Ten championship to Michigan, while Big Ten champion Michigan has to beat a very good team in the quarterfinals.

I don't think people realize how dumb the new format is going to be.

Bottom line is if your starting QB gets injured then you're out of the 12. Doesn't matter how good your defense is. Fucking bullshit

Just give auto bid to the P5 conference champions. Nitpicking 10-12 isn't as bad because they were not going to win it all anyway. 

Arizona the top ranked team of the new Big XII

ESPNs eye test matters more than anything. Even if Bama lost that 24-21 to two win Arkansas we all know they are better than FSU. Just let ESPN and a large portion of this board supersede wins and losses with their eye tests. 

The real game thats been played for many years is the ranking not of top teams but of lower teams in conferences. Specifically this year how Tennessee and Clemson remained ranked in the CFP, especially Tennessee as bad as they played toward the end of the year. All the comparisons of how well teams did against top 25 comes into play at that point. The thing is the whole system is based on opinion and subjectives. As long as teams continue to get the benefit of the doubt based on previous seasons for their rankings the system will never be completely unbiased and will benefit some over others.

I am starting to think the 4 team is the worst format.

Old BCS would have been undefeated Michigan Vs Washington in the Rosebowl. 

More cynicism. More eventual capitulation to corruption. Unless new rules are imposed from above somewhere, history suggests, everyone capitulates to the logic of a bad system. A lot of ugly--bigger ugly than this--tends to work that way.

We'll see autobids like in the NCAA basketball tournaments, then it is wide open.

They'll need to rewrite the selection rules so that the autobids can't be dismissed because the team wins ugly.

The 12 team CFP does not "fix" these problems, it moves them down the food chain to where they matter a lot less.

Team #13 is going to be disappointed and angry for being left out, but nobody is going to be very concerned that a team that could be legitimately win it all is being left out.

This is why it should have been an 8 team playoff with no byes.  With 12, there is a pretty big difference between being in the top 4 or not.  

The last team in / first team out will always be a controversy (4, 8, 12... Teams).  But they'll also have a last team with a bye, first team without controversy.

it does not.

I think going from 4 to 12 was a big mistake. Putting half the ranked teams in means not only do the undefeated teams make it, but all the one loss, and all the two loss teams get in, too. They went from all or nothing football, to the ncaa tourney in one step. Strength of schedule, and even multiple losses don't matter now. Every team with a pulse makes it, and it adds extra games, that will push teams to playing smaller schedules, or resting starters. Eliminates the weight of the conference championships, and with the move to superconferences we could end up having multiple rematches. 6 would've been perfect. 12 is just dumb, imho, but the cfp made a grab for the money. 

The  more I think of what unfolded ( I think Michigan will be just fine vs Bama) the more I'm pissed at this decision !

OSU was a better team by alot compared to ND in 2018.. ND struggled vs vandy, Pitt, NW ( common Opponent) unranked usc (week 12 ) OSU had several dominate wins ( puke ) and one bad loss.. At the the end of the year it wasnt even a debate osu (#5) was better than ND (#4). Committee rewarded 12-0 ND. 

Last year TCU falls to Kansas St in conf championship, 99/100 people would agree bama was a better football team than TCU. body of work prevailed. 

lastly, Why stop with just getting the best teams into the playoffs ? Does the committee really think the seeding in correct? Washington really better than Texas and Bama ? How is FSU viewed better ( #5) than UGA (#6) under the same circumstance ?