Third DUI, he's done. Guy needs some help but is clearly a danger to himself and every person on the road. Should not be coaching football anywhere, let alone at Michigan.
Brian, curious why Shaka is your top choice. I know the fanbase in general has a fairly negative perception of him, but my biggest red flag for him is his tourney resume. Since the Final Four run in 2011 (which I chalk up as being unprepared for VCU's Havoc defense), he hasn't won more than a single game per NCAA tournament in 13 seasons. Unless you subscribe to the idea that NCAA tournament runs are more or less random/draw-based and that the only thing you can control is having a consistently good team, I can't say I'm too enthused by that resume. Beilein had Elite 8 and Sweet 16 runs before coming to Michigan, and it's clear that man is an EXCELLENT tournament coach.
Should more value be placed on post-season success than regular season consistency? I wouldn't trade any of Beilein's tournament runs for the entire tenure of Matt Painter for that very reason. With this criteria, my #1 pick is Otzelberger, who has already made a Sweet 16 and looks primed to get at least that far this season, too. Medved and Schertz seem like decent backup plans to buy a lotto ticket on.
What does Michigan offer that Alabama doesn't? You have unlimited resources, zero academic or character restrictions (his star player was the accomplice of a murder), and you play in the easiest major conference in basketball. Even if he did come, I think he would be a terrible fit for the aforementioned reasons.
No hate for the players, who have been given an untenable situation, but time to clean house. Now that Sanderson is gone, I can say without a doubt that nobody currently involved with the men's basketball program should be associated with the program next year. Next year is going to be ass regardless, at least build towards something fun to watch
Allow me to summarize the average game experience with theoretical additions of Love and/or Shannon: hero-ball garbage with awful defense, an insane amount of turnovers, and very few adjustments for when teams figure out how to stop our offensive “gameplan.”
The only thing we’re missing out in is an extra 3-4 wins from hero-ball variance when they shoot 8-10 from 3 or something (nobody on the team currently is talented enough or well coached enough to do this). Otherwise, the experience is absolutely identical to what we have now
It's one thing to be bad (and this team may be the worst we've ever had) but it's an even greater sin to be just plain boring. Beilein had some bad teams, God knows Michigan football in the 2010's had some bad, bad teams. But there was at least SOME entertainment value. This team isn't fun to watch. The players looks miserable, they play miserable, the most exciting player is Dug, and he's probably the 9th best starting PG of the last 10 Michigan point guards. The program needs to be turned over entirely, which is a damn shame to waste all of the good Beilein did for this program for over a decade; totally trashed in the span of 5 years
There are never 12 teams “good enough” to be considered in the running for best team in college football. Hell, before the last two seasons, you couldn’t even make an argument that there were 4 teams good enough to be considered.
The right number is probably 6 or 8. Large enough that everyone gets “a chance” and every conference is represented but not too big that we have to waste time watching a Bama-BYU game or an Ohio State-Miami Florida game in Columbus in January. Those games are just superfluous fluff
How they expect this to play out: “Nice, now good teams like Penn State won’t be punished for losing two games to the two best teams in the country!”
How it will play out:
*10-2 Iowa makes the playoffs with their best wins being a 2 point road win at Minnesota and a 6-3 home win vs. Wisconsin and their two losses being by a combined score of 84-6 vs. Michigan and Oregon*
What games has Day won that he wasn’t supposed to? Maybe they were an underdog vs. Clemson in 2019 (Urban’s team with Justin Fields)? Other than that, I’m counting four upset losses (Oregon, Michigan twice, Missouri) and two losses as underdogs (Michigan 2023 and Georgia) with no upset wins. The dictionary definition of doing the bare minimum with what you have
My guy, I have watched more Michigan basketball this season than any consenting adult should. Giving up open looks and missing box outs vs. Purdue is one thing, but don’t pretend they haven’t done the exact same song and dance vs. Long Beach State, McNeese, etc. for the last three years. Unless Juwan is making a conscience decision to tell his guys to never box out and leave open shooters against every team, I would say there’s plenty of evidence the team is poorly coached
Our most recent home game against every single Big Ten team? A win
Our most recent road game against every single Big Ten team? A win (READ THAT AGAIN, THAT IS INSANE)
Thank God they're adding some new blood so we can have some new challenges. Haven't won in Seattle in 54 years, have never won in Eugene, haven't won in LA in nearly 70 years, and haven't won a game at the Rose Bowl in nearly two months!
I agree that a talent boost would obviously do wonders. But this is Michigan basketball. If you can't coach even two star players to box out, take care of the ball, and not leave shooters wide open, you don't deserve to have talent that will elevate your program. The fundamentals are dead and gone and there's no excuse for that in college basketball at any level
I don't envy their situation, they are stuck in basketball purgatory where they are a consistent top 5 team year in and year out but are one of the absolute worst tournament teams in a sport that is DEFINED by how you perform in the tournament.
Painter is a good coach and developer but his system is so inflexible. When they get punched in the mouth or thrown off their rhythm, they're cooked. 90% of tournament success is dependent on your ability to adapt to a new situation. Take Beilein for example. In the 2013 tournament alone they faced: an offensive juggernaut team that tries to outscore you (South Dakota State), a VCU squad known for their press, a Kansas team with an elite front court and paired with excellent wings, uhhh Florida?, zoned defense Syracuse, and cheating ass Louisville. All 6 of those games were complete departures in style and system and Beilein navigated all of them BEAUTIFULLY. Got game-winning contributions from Burke, McGary, Stauskas, GRIII, THJ, and (almost) Albrecht.
Purdue doesn't know how to do that. They will throw Edey at you until it doesn't work, and if it doesn't work, they lose. Painter doesn't know how to adjust and that's been his downfall every tournament
Why even have a running clock then? It's basically just full-field college OT rules, there's no need for a clock when the game is now based on number of possessions and not time
Very casual NFL fan so I just read up on the OT rule change. My next question is: what's the point of having a running clock then? If both teams get a possession to score and then it's sudden death infinitely, there's no reason to have a clock at all. I guess to me it seems very reasonable to have an extra 15 minute quarter to decide a game rather than have this weird "everyone gets to score once, but not twice" rule that was created as an overreaction to the Bills losing a playoff game (for the millionth time).
I don't understand this either? They had a timeout left and a whole minute and chose to run exactly one play. It's not like they needed to run clock so that SF couldn't put together a drive, the game would be over.
So explain this to me like I'm slow: why did the Chiefs milk the clock right at the end? They spent forever on the last play on first down and if it didn't work it would have been time for only one more play and they either kick a FG to go to the next OT or go for the win/loss. Why the fuck did they not try to use all four downs in the case they got stopped on first down? This was like the 2015 Minnesota game was it not??
Oregon has one playoff win and it was from an FSU implosion in the very first CFP game ever. They’re solidly a top ten program in terms of consistency, but they don’t have the trophies to back up the money thrown at them
I feel the same way, but why the fuck does this never apply to OSU? They add Howard and that bama kid and that doesn't lead to any QB transfers besides McCord. They add Judkins and keep Henderson and I haven't heard any rumblings of their younger 5 star RBs transferring. Didn't Dallan Hayden get snaps in 2022 and now he's totally fine sitting as the RB3 as a former 5-star prospect true junior? Like wtf is that about?
This is not rock bottom. This is an experience-heavy team bolstered by transfers from successful power 6 programs. We’ll hit rock bottom when those types of players realize that playing at Michigan is a worse move than riding the bench or being a star on a mid major. This program still has lots of talent it can feasibly downgrade from and I fully expect that to happen. Tschetter and Reed are the players I expect to return and maybe not even them
This one sucks in particular because it likely will have a negligible benefit for the chargers but is a huge detriment to Michigan. Also disconcerting because Moore said at his press conference he thought Herbert was staying. Doesn’t feel great right now, player decisions are next
Even if Harbaugh won four more championships with Michigan (highly unlikely), people would still say Saban is the GOAT and the data would back that up. But taking a moribund Michigan program to the top AND an even-more moribund Chargers franchise to the top would put him in a class by himself
Ultimately, I know he doesn't care about people's opinions of his coaching ability, he just wants to prove it to himself.
I believe they officially attributed the last three wins to Harbaugh and he only OFFICIALLY has the Bowling Green game as a win, but that’s stupid and everyone will rightfully cite him as having won those three games too
More so than ever your schedule will determine who the most successful teams are. In past years, the Big Ten has been won by teams who didn't have to play road games at Breslin, Purdue, etc. and that will be even more of an advantage now.
Just like how the Big Ten west winner was decided by who played the fewest crossover games with OSU, Michigan, and Penn State, the basketball conference champ will be the team who gets to play Iowa, Rutgers, and Michigan for 6 of their 20 games
A very big part of me would give anything to have Harbaugh draft Corum and use him as a bell cow and have Herbert throw 8 times a game a la JJ solely for the nationwide meltdown
I believe Des got 3 of the 4 playoff teams right and picked Michigan to win the whole thing over Texas. Can’t remember if he picked Washington or Bama too but he definitely picked one of them
2015 was a murder with a huge deficit between the teams, screwed in 2016, would’ve won in 2017 with half a QB, murder in 18 and 19, dominant wins in 21-23
Record should be something like 4-4 or 5-3. 3-5 was absolute worst case worst luck scenario
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It's weird, but you kinda want your top choice(s) to go out early. A deep run increases chances of contract extensions
Third DUI. Way past the point of forgiveness
Third DUI, he's done. Guy needs some help but is clearly a danger to himself and every person on the road. Should not be coaching football anywhere, let alone at Michigan.
Virginia has just been ACC Wisconsin except they won their national title whereas Wisconsin blew it. Their games are so hard to watch
Brian, curious why Shaka is your top choice. I know the fanbase in general has a fairly negative perception of him, but my biggest red flag for him is his tourney resume. Since the Final Four run in 2011 (which I chalk up as being unprepared for VCU's Havoc defense), he hasn't won more than a single game per NCAA tournament in 13 seasons. Unless you subscribe to the idea that NCAA tournament runs are more or less random/draw-based and that the only thing you can control is having a consistently good team, I can't say I'm too enthused by that resume. Beilein had Elite 8 and Sweet 16 runs before coming to Michigan, and it's clear that man is an EXCELLENT tournament coach.
Should more value be placed on post-season success than regular season consistency? I wouldn't trade any of Beilein's tournament runs for the entire tenure of Matt Painter for that very reason. With this criteria, my #1 pick is Otzelberger, who has already made a Sweet 16 and looks primed to get at least that far this season, too. Medved and Schertz seem like decent backup plans to buy a lotto ticket on.
The goal of college basketball is to win a national championship, not have weird hair and lose in the first weekend every season
What does Michigan offer that Alabama doesn't? You have unlimited resources, zero academic or character restrictions (his star player was the accomplice of a murder), and you play in the easiest major conference in basketball. Even if he did come, I think he would be a terrible fit for the aforementioned reasons.
No hate for the players, who have been given an untenable situation, but time to clean house. Now that Sanderson is gone, I can say without a doubt that nobody currently involved with the men's basketball program should be associated with the program next year. Next year is going to be ass regardless, at least build towards something fun to watch
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Michigan kid creators?
Giggity
I miss Jim :(
I don't "believe" in karma, but it felt cosmically justified that Trouble with the Snap went one way and Jake Thaw went the other way
I'm happy with that deal with the universe
Which game do you think was lacking in splash plays?
OSU game had:
- Corum TD run after Zinter injury
- Edwards RB pass
- Roman TD
- Will Johnson INT
- Rod Moore INT
- Quinten Johnson murder hit
- Sainristil murder hit
Title game had:
- Edwards TD run 1
- Edwards TD run 2
- Will Johnson INT
- Kenneth Grant eats the team
- Take us home, Blake
- Sainristil INT
- Loveland long catch
If the Orji in the endzone vs Staee isn't #1, we riot
Troy Smith, TP, Braxton Miller (kinda), JOE BURROW, Justin Fields, Stroud, and McCord never won a national title for OSU
You know who won a national title for Michigan? JJ fuckin McCarthy
Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard
They've had all the talent in the world but their culture is shit and that hasn't changed one bit.
Allow me to summarize the average game experience with theoretical additions of Love and/or Shannon: hero-ball garbage with awful defense, an insane amount of turnovers, and very few adjustments for when teams figure out how to stop our offensive “gameplan.”
The only thing we’re missing out in is an extra 3-4 wins from hero-ball variance when they shoot 8-10 from 3 or something (nobody on the team currently is talented enough or well coached enough to do this). Otherwise, the experience is absolutely identical to what we have now
Michigan basketball beat #11 Wisconsin this year (so close to full circle)
It's one thing to be bad (and this team may be the worst we've ever had) but it's an even greater sin to be just plain boring. Beilein had some bad teams, God knows Michigan football in the 2010's had some bad, bad teams. But there was at least SOME entertainment value. This team isn't fun to watch. The players looks miserable, they play miserable, the most exciting player is Dug, and he's probably the 9th best starting PG of the last 10 Michigan point guards. The program needs to be turned over entirely, which is a damn shame to waste all of the good Beilein did for this program for over a decade; totally trashed in the span of 5 years
There are never 12 teams “good enough” to be considered in the running for best team in college football. Hell, before the last two seasons, you couldn’t even make an argument that there were 4 teams good enough to be considered.
The right number is probably 6 or 8. Large enough that everyone gets “a chance” and every conference is represented but not too big that we have to waste time watching a Bama-BYU game or an Ohio State-Miami Florida game in Columbus in January. Those games are just superfluous fluff
How they expect this to play out: “Nice, now good teams like Penn State won’t be punished for losing two games to the two best teams in the country!”
How it will play out:
*10-2 Iowa makes the playoffs with their best wins being a 2 point road win at Minnesota and a 6-3 home win vs. Wisconsin and their two losses being by a combined score of 84-6 vs. Michigan and Oregon*
What games has Day won that he wasn’t supposed to? Maybe they were an underdog vs. Clemson in 2019 (Urban’s team with Justin Fields)? Other than that, I’m counting four upset losses (Oregon, Michigan twice, Missouri) and two losses as underdogs (Michigan 2023 and Georgia) with no upset wins. The dictionary definition of doing the bare minimum with what you have
My guy, I have watched more Michigan basketball this season than any consenting adult should. Giving up open looks and missing box outs vs. Purdue is one thing, but don’t pretend they haven’t done the exact same song and dance vs. Long Beach State, McNeese, etc. for the last three years. Unless Juwan is making a conscience decision to tell his guys to never box out and leave open shooters against every team, I would say there’s plenty of evidence the team is poorly coached
Our most recent home game against every single Big Ten team? A win
Our most recent road game against every single Big Ten team? A win (READ THAT AGAIN, THAT IS INSANE)
Thank God they're adding some new blood so we can have some new challenges. Haven't won in Seattle in 54 years, have never won in Eugene, haven't won in LA in nearly 70 years, and haven't won a game at the Rose Bowl in nearly two months!
I agree that a talent boost would obviously do wonders. But this is Michigan basketball. If you can't coach even two star players to box out, take care of the ball, and not leave shooters wide open, you don't deserve to have talent that will elevate your program. The fundamentals are dead and gone and there's no excuse for that in college basketball at any level
I don't envy their situation, they are stuck in basketball purgatory where they are a consistent top 5 team year in and year out but are one of the absolute worst tournament teams in a sport that is DEFINED by how you perform in the tournament.
Painter is a good coach and developer but his system is so inflexible. When they get punched in the mouth or thrown off their rhythm, they're cooked. 90% of tournament success is dependent on your ability to adapt to a new situation. Take Beilein for example. In the 2013 tournament alone they faced: an offensive juggernaut team that tries to outscore you (South Dakota State), a VCU squad known for their press, a Kansas team with an elite front court and paired with excellent wings, uhhh Florida?, zoned defense Syracuse, and cheating ass Louisville. All 6 of those games were complete departures in style and system and Beilein navigated all of them BEAUTIFULLY. Got game-winning contributions from Burke, McGary, Stauskas, GRIII, THJ, and (almost) Albrecht.
Purdue doesn't know how to do that. They will throw Edey at you until it doesn't work, and if it doesn't work, they lose. Painter doesn't know how to adjust and that's been his downfall every tournament
I wonder how well Donovan Edwards can skate
Alabama’s last two OCs being Tommy Rees and now Sheridan is proof that all empires crumble eventually
Luscious long locks and looks nothing like Brady Hoke at his heaviest
Why even have a running clock then? It's basically just full-field college OT rules, there's no need for a clock when the game is now based on number of possessions and not time
Very casual NFL fan so I just read up on the OT rule change. My next question is: what's the point of having a running clock then? If both teams get a possession to score and then it's sudden death infinitely, there's no reason to have a clock at all. I guess to me it seems very reasonable to have an extra 15 minute quarter to decide a game rather than have this weird "everyone gets to score once, but not twice" rule that was created as an overreaction to the Bills losing a playoff game (for the millionth time).
Is that really how that works? Has that scenario ever happened in the history of the NFL?
I don't understand this either? They had a timeout left and a whole minute and chose to run exactly one play. It's not like they needed to run clock so that SF couldn't put together a drive, the game would be over.
So explain this to me like I'm slow: why did the Chiefs milk the clock right at the end? They spent forever on the last play on first down and if it didn't work it would have been time for only one more play and they either kick a FG to go to the next OT or go for the win/loss. Why the fuck did they not try to use all four downs in the case they got stopped on first down? This was like the 2015 Minnesota game was it not??
Barstool is not a sports site. It’s a college lifestyle site and should be treated as such
Oregon has one playoff win and it was from an FSU implosion in the very first CFP game ever. They’re solidly a top ten program in terms of consistency, but they don’t have the trophies to back up the money thrown at them
I feel the same way, but why the fuck does this never apply to OSU? They add Howard and that bama kid and that doesn't lead to any QB transfers besides McCord. They add Judkins and keep Henderson and I haven't heard any rumblings of their younger 5 star RBs transferring. Didn't Dallan Hayden get snaps in 2022 and now he's totally fine sitting as the RB3 as a former 5-star prospect true junior? Like wtf is that about?
Best of luck to Moody, Ambry Thomas, Ronnie Bell, and Mike Danna!
Otherwise, meh. Will probably turn it on if it's close in the 4th quarter, really no interest outside of Michigan guys
This is not rock bottom. This is an experience-heavy team bolstered by transfers from successful power 6 programs. We’ll hit rock bottom when those types of players realize that playing at Michigan is a worse move than riding the bench or being a star on a mid major. This program still has lots of talent it can feasibly downgrade from and I fully expect that to happen. Tschetter and Reed are the players I expect to return and maybe not even them
This one sucks in particular because it likely will have a negligible benefit for the chargers but is a huge detriment to Michigan. Also disconcerting because Moore said at his press conference he thought Herbert was staying. Doesn’t feel great right now, player decisions are next
Even if Harbaugh won four more championships with Michigan (highly unlikely), people would still say Saban is the GOAT and the data would back that up. But taking a moribund Michigan program to the top AND an even-more moribund Chargers franchise to the top would put him in a class by himself
Ultimately, I know he doesn't care about people's opinions of his coaching ability, he just wants to prove it to himself.
Sophomore in 2016 but did start a game against Minnesota his freshman year so same thing
Use a better word choice, it’s 2024 and none of us are in middle school anymore
Dude wanted to hire Brian Kelly or Leipold lol
I believe they officially attributed the last three wins to Harbaugh and he only OFFICIALLY has the Bowling Green game as a win, but that’s stupid and everyone will rightfully cite him as having won those three games too
What the hell, I sent my application in yesterday and they said they would get back to me early next week??
More so than ever your schedule will determine who the most successful teams are. In past years, the Big Ten has been won by teams who didn't have to play road games at Breslin, Purdue, etc. and that will be even more of an advantage now.
Just like how the Big Ten west winner was decided by who played the fewest crossover games with OSU, Michigan, and Penn State, the basketball conference champ will be the team who gets to play Iowa, Rutgers, and Michigan for 6 of their 20 games
A very big part of me would give anything to have Harbaugh draft Corum and use him as a bell cow and have Herbert throw 8 times a game a la JJ solely for the nationwide meltdown
I believe Des got 3 of the 4 playoff teams right and picked Michigan to win the whole thing over Texas. Can’t remember if he picked Washington or Bama too but he definitely picked one of them
2015 was a murder with a huge deficit between the teams, screwed in 2016, would’ve won in 2017 with half a QB, murder in 18 and 19, dominant wins in 21-23
Record should be something like 4-4 or 5-3. 3-5 was absolute worst case worst luck scenario
I wish we were as good and smart as Texas A&M, Miami, Ole Miss, and Osu :(((