Says the Minnesota Star Tribune. Link
well that's just, like, your opinion, man
Says the Minnesota Star Tribune. Link
Just a heads up, you linked to the second page of the article (which ends pretty quickly). May want to change the link.
Miller's a good writer.
And he's right.
And there's nothing wrong with that.
Yeah, he even has 2 and 3 sentence paragraphs!!!
Uh oh, Hoke's in our heads!
Keep it coming coach Hoke
I hope we don't get so arrogant that we accidently start winning again...
His statement did have a point: just because our opponents feared our coach does not mean that the coach should actually be feared. What his statement lacked was a counter-point to your statement.
...is one chill kangaroo, with his mind on his money and his money on his mind.
I bet in his relaxed state of mind, the other kangaroo's would consider him cocky, perhaps maybe even a little bit arrogant.
He is just getting his Prettyman on.
We call it swagger.
I've been here the whole time, baby!
You gotta show your face around here more often, or else people think you left.
Word choice dude.
Arrogance is the act of exaggerating self-importance, an attitude of superiority, presumptuous claims and assumptions. This is why people who are arrogant sound like they're talking out of a horse's ass, and everyone cheers when they get curb-stomped by Appalachian State.
Confidence is a quality or state of knowing and being certain.
There's a difference in being sure of yourself and your superiority versus spouting off about how superior you think you are to everybody else. Is that what Hoke has been doing? I don't think so.
Your post confuses me.
Are you saying Hoke's word choice is bad? Did we get curb stomped by App St.? (Losing was bad enough, I'd hate to learn years after the fact that we got smoked by then.) Who is the "dude?" Does he abide?
Hoke sounds arrogant when he says, "This might be arrogant, and if it is, it is..." I'm ok with arrogant as long as he wins games. I hate opposing coaches when they're arrogant because that's what I'm supposed to do as a fan.
He's saying arrogance is a byproduct of confidence. He was also stating we were arrogant, but we aren't becoming arrogant right now. We are merely becoming confident.
Cocky confidence? Some people confuse the two. The difference is walking the walk when you talk the talk. So far regarding recruiting and only recruiting, Hoke can probably talk with Cocky confidence.
I find myself saying again, the App State loss only mattered BECAUSE " This is michigan, dammit".
James Madison beat the wheels off Va Tech last year. Who remembers? Those teams, their fans, and me. Thats about it, because Va Tech isn't michigan.
Michigan is confident in themselves, and we feel we deserve a winning program because we have always supported our program like schools that win, do. We further feel we deserve hard earned respect from at least the other members in the B1G, if not the country, because as far as I know, there is no school out there with a winning record against us that have played at least 10 times. I could be wrong, maybe USC, we seem to keep pulling them in rose bowls.
However, when damn near no one in the country can claim anything like success against you, well, that makes you confident you can go out and win any saturday, and most January 1sts.
And furthermore, as befits my hundredth point, I reply to the wrong post.
.....and the point is?
Call it arrogance if you like. We're Michigan. No apologies.
Family Value is Arrogance?
Which values winning.
My mother in law seems to have it in spades
Bring it on!
I love the fact that people can't stop talking about Hoke. Means he's on their minds all the time. That's the first step down the road of fear. Keep up the good work Coach.
Boom. That just happened.
Come Oct 1st we will see if the Gophers feel like talking quite as much. Good Luck to coach Kill.
I cut those poor people some slack--there is not a team in the entire state they can feel good about. Well, maybe Bemidji kills it at volleyball, for all I know, but generally Minnesotans have been a miserable lot. No wonder they freaked when they thought the shutdown might mean an end to alcohol sales.
I accidentally clicked "moderate" for your post. I'm assuming I didn't diss you accidentally, 'cuz I think this schedule poster absolutely rocks! I'm also confidently arrogant that we'll be playing on Dec. 3.
I forgot that we go to a 13 game regular season schedule in 2012. Absolutely no by weeks at all, brutal!
And if the Big Ten isn't adding the 9th conference game until 2017, that means 5 years of 4 cream puffs and ND. Or in that time do we lose ND for a couple years? Maybe we'll have more high profile games at a neutral site in the future?
Wow, I didn't know that. Starting next year we will have to play 15 games, 13 regular, Big Ten Championship, and a bowl
. Yet the NCAA won't go to a playoff because they say it would be to many games. How about you drop two of those games and they have a playoff.
Either 9/15 or 9/29 will be a bye. I don't think being Alabama allows UM to play 5 non-conference teams.
I think the only time now that you have the opportunity to play 5 non-conference games is if one of them is an away game at Hawaii.
I'd love the 15th to be a bye so UM has 2 weeks to get ready for ND.
It would add a nice touch if beside our opponents' names it said "(this is not Michigan)".
We're Michigan. We're the best. Why shouldn't we be arrogant?
My perception has always been that "arrogance" has been Michigan's reputation throughout its football history. OSU was the uneducated blue collar steel workers, while Michigan had the fancy school with the great degrees of children of the rich automotive workers. This "arrogance" has fueled schools such as Stanford, USC, and Notre Dame to become elite in both the academic and athletic realms. These schools are great at both, know they're great at both, sell themselves by saying they're great at both, and Michigan should be no different.
If you sit at recruits dinner tables talking up your school, then they see you on TV being arrogant in the same way about how great the school is, that's what you call validating the recruiting sales pitches. You know that D'antonio and the guy formerly known as Tressel sell parents on the "worldly education," but they sure as hell wouldn't say that to the media.
GO HOKE!!! UMich is in elite company and should be sold that way. If you're a Mercedes salesman, you're not going to be modest and talk about how your product on par with a Kia.
When you're a perennial bottom-feeder like Minnesota, everyone in the Big Ten probably seems "arrogant."
I'll feel more arrogant about football after we start beating MSU and TSIO regularly.
Debbie Downer, is that you?
I think Stanford would have something to say about this.......
Not sure where the "Trolling" tags are coming from. Stanford has ridiculous academics/athletics/etc. Not to mention one of the most beautiful campuses in the country.
Well said, but to be fair, Stanford's football attendance is rather lacking. Now, if you want to make an argument that there is no better combination of football and academics, I'd definitely agree.
Aside from Stanford, Texas and North Carolina also combine outstanding academic reputations with success in athletics. But f**k Texas and North Carolina.
No, I think athletics is the appropriate term: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_schools_offer_the_most_NCAA_varsity_sports
USC and UCLA are up there too. They don't quite have our grad programs, but their undergrads are arguably superior to UMich's.
You didn't say football though, you said sports. According to the NACDA (AD's) Stanford has hands-down the most successful athletic department in the country.
Good luck not getting negged; saying "I'm a better person than you" is probably a good place to start.
Actually, the rankings just came out and the top two public universities are, first, University of Virginia and, second, UCLA. So there's that.
You might have more credibility if you could decide whether you're a Michigan fan or a Purdue fan.
a great school. However, the debate is over, the data is clear, Michigan is the best. USNWR has us rated higher in more categories than Stanford. Then you throw in athletics, forget about it. Stanford cant even sell out a home football game.
I'm sorry, but that argument cannot be made, let alone saying "the data is clear." They are top 5 undergrad, # 3 law school, # 1 business school. I guess I don't know where our 5 person pharmacy school stacks up, but let's not lose credibility by 100% concluding something that 0 people outside of the city of Ann Arbor would agree with.
I love UMich. It's great. It has taught me to be an objective thinker.
You do realize that Stanford has won the Sears Cup (aka NACDA Learfield Sports Directors Cup) 17 years in a row.
Humble Pie tastes disgusting. I prefer Arrogance Pie. It tastes good going down and its intoxicating!
We're not seeing articles about Minnesota here. I think they're proving Hoke's point.
Does Jerry Kill bring anything to Minnesota? Other than his last name?
A great coaching pedigree. Enthusiasm, a great work ethic.
He's won everywhere he's coached, and he's well-respected by other coaches, high school coaches, and players.
And he currently has commitments from the top 6 Minnesota recruits in-state, which is something Brewster and Mason never did.
The dude is a solid, hard-working coach, which frankly is good enough. He'll turn that team into a 7-8 victory squad on average, with the occasional breakthrough year like 2003 for Minnesota. Any Minnesota fan expecting more than that with the division they're in is being delusional.
Anytime rival schools are talking about us being "arrogant," we're doing something right.
My co-worker emailed me this article the other day with the subject line, "I've always wondered why you are the way you are"
hope i dont offend any "arrogant" types, but arrogance is the height of insecurity.
Michigan will win when they deserve to win. im a fan of earning wins and ass kicking my opponents.
i dont remember the last time my thoughts about how good i was ever won me something.
let Notre Dame be that way. not Michigan.
past blown games, underwhelming schemes, and insecure people disagree with you
Nonsense. "Arrogance" is an accusation that gets leveled when opponents have nothing else to say.
Thinking you're bad helped you win then? Or indifference led you to victory right? Garbage. There's nothing wrong with thinking you're good. There's something wrong with being content in thinking you're good, and telling everyone you're good, and not performing. Hoke is saying "this is Michigan" with regards to recruiting. Guess what? He's performing. Hoke is saying "this is Michigan" with regard to rebuilding. We'll see if that belief is followed by performance. So far he has delivered. He's created a buzz and instilled confidence in the team and recruits. I haven't heard of one complaint, except by the media, of Hoke being anything but personable and inspiring. These are not characteristics of arrogance. I'm leaning more towards confidence than arrogance at this point.
Arrogance is a vice, and an ugly one at that. As someone else said above, the distinction between confidence and arrogance is important. As a Michigan fan and alum I like to think I'm confident and not the least bit afraid to explain why, as well as being very happy and feeling truly blessed. But nothing justifies arrogance.
And it was Hoke who droped the A word, and I think that was a bad move. I wouldn't really put this on the Star Tribune as getting all upset about it or anything (as it seems some people are doing). I love coach Hoke, I bought my Hokeamania! t-shirt shortly after the Mattison hire and have just been happier and happier ever since thanks to the recruiting and the pointing and all the sunshine and rainbows and such. But I do think he should maybe back away from the arrogance, or at least consider a symantic shift toward confidence or something similar. I think it would help too if instead of just saying "We're Michigan" you add what that means. Why do you think recruits are still interested in the school after a few bad years? Because we're Michigan, the winningest program of all time, steeped in tradition, the home of the biggest stadium in the country, a superb educational institution, the home of Woodson and Howard and Harmon and Brady (etc, etc), etc, etc, etc. That's not arogant, that's the truth, those are the facts. Why wouldn't they want to come? Anyway...
Well, the Sister was right. You boys could use a little churching up. Slide on down to the Triple Rock, and catch Rev. Cleophus. You boys listen to what he's got to say.
I don't want to listen to no jive-ass preacher talking to me about Heaven and Hell.
I would like to add that there is also a difference between being humble and being passive aggressive. Like arrogance/confidence, many people can't seem to grasp the difference. Also, Hoke didn't say that he thinks that we should be arrogant because we are Michigan. He was basically saying that he doesn't care whether people think it is arrogant that he answers a question with "this is Michigan", nor should he. The simple fact that there are articles like this shows how much of a behometh Michigan is in the college football landscape. Conversely, how else is he supposed to answer "hey coach, how are you guys doing se well recruiting this year"? The answer is obvious and I would posit that it has nothing to do with the win totals of the last 3 years. "This is Michigan" is the truth, even if it is hard for some to swallow.
Sorry for thread jacking, but I don't have enough points to start my own. I didn't see this anywhere, but according to Tom Kowalski, the Lions signed UFA Greg Banks.
Tom mentions the pertinent information halfway through the article.
My response to that is..... good.
should worry about bringing back the jug to Minn someday...
Based on the treatment RR got from day one I am sure that was never something lost.
...I'm lovin' it!
Article on the same topic. (about halfway down the page). The hate is so tangible, so palpable, you can almost sense how much teeth grinding there was while he was writing this.
It's glorious and I love it. Just a few more weeks before arrogance reigns supreme again.
EDIT: It's all the way down on the first page. (This guy gets it)
His very existence has made me into a worse person, more vengeful and petty than ever before.
This made me lol.
Hoke is getting in their heads, and he hasn't even coached a game yet. I love it.
Hoke is simply stating what needs to be said to re-establish belief and confidence within the program. Anything less says we are satisfied with what's been happening in recent years. The fact is, Michigan is NOT like most other schools. We have stronger academic programs on the whole, many distinguished alumni and faculty, an incredible state-of-the-art campus, a rich tradition, and superb leadership. Being an alum of Michigan DOES mean a lot. If that's arrogance, we're guilty.
Guys, he's right. We should take a page from Minnesota's book and go from arrogance to complete and utter irrelevance.
Don't get pride and arrogance mixed up!
Pride comes before the fall.
I can do without the bluster, but ultimately it doesn't matter. What matters is whether Hoke can win consistently while his players stay out of trouble and leave school with degrees. I like what I see so far in the assistants and recruits he's brought in.
Nothing wrong with pumping up the program. Hoke is anything but arrogant. This is really a story about jealousy, about how obvious it is that Hoke has relighted the enthusiasm of the Michigan faithful and how other programs can only wish they had that kind of support.
The only thing worse than arrogance is false humility. But let us be humble in our return to arrogance.
which is why we just call it Michigan, and call it a day. End of story.
If "this is Michigan" wasn't used in recruiting and positioning the program, something would be wrong. Not to pour salt on a wound, but it sounds a lot better than "our helmet's got wings."
This. Is. Michigan.
I don't like to think of it as arrogance. We (meaning Michigan) are simply better than you (meaning everyone else).
When did we ever stop being arrogant? I mean. . .
"We're Michigan. I don't put any stock into that. Period."
Never lost my arrogance. It's justified at Michigan, of course. I prefer to call it "pride" but arrogance is good fodder for people who loathe Michigan, so, whatever you call it, I got it.
.....and your larger point is what now, Star Tribune?
If I ever act arrogantly when it comes to Michigan it's not because I think I'm awesome, it's because I know Michigan is.