German Forest Rambo

Submitted by HelloHeisman91 on July 16th, 2020 at 6:11 AM
https://twitter.com/deadbydawn_666/status/1283697060387028992?s=21

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1283692869778386945?s=21

1VaBlue1

July 16th, 2020 at 7:16 AM ^

If the Germans would just swallow their pride and watch some American movies, they never would have chased him into the forest.  I hurt for the officer's families...

Teeba

July 16th, 2020 at 9:36 AM ^

The first Rambo was set mostly in a forest in Washington state. “Forest” Rambo seems redundant.

Rambo, like the Mad Max franchise, is an example of a series where the sequels outshone the original in terms of popular culture acclaim. Rambo in First Blood was just a vet suffering from PTSD. In the subsequent movies, he was this superhero, badass, American killing machine getting revenge on all our enemies. I’m a fan of the original Rambo and Mad Max movies.

P.S. I watched some of the 2008 Rambo movie recently. The “bad guys” were called the “Karen rebels.” Seems appropriate for today.

FauxMo

July 16th, 2020 at 10:27 AM ^

Fun "Rambo" fact... The popular belief that anti-Vietnam-War protesters were horrible to veterans returning home in the 1960s, that they were "spit on" and called "baby killers" by the protesters is, in fact, a myth. There is not a single validated account of such behavior by protesters, in fact, who tended to be against the draft, saw the troops as unwilling participants in the war, and focused on "bringing the boys home." This myth arose not until the early 1980s because of... Stallone's lines in Rambo and the counter-counter-culture, anti-1960s movement... 

Booted Blue in PA

July 16th, 2020 at 10:54 AM ^

 To say it is a 'myth' probably isn't fair.  It may not have been widespread or as common as popular belief, but I personally know two Vietnam Veterans who have personal stories of being chastised for their service when they returned home.  Neither are known to be bullshitters.

I also had an NCO that I served with who told stories about his time in 'nam and the horrible treatment when he arrived home, only to find out later he wasn't enlisted until '72 and never spent a day in Vietnam.  So there's no doubt some old Soldiers tell war stories that never happened.

FauxMo

July 16th, 2020 at 10:58 AM ^

Totally fair points. I am sure some/many Vietnam veterans had negative experiences with protesters and anti-war folks. This comes from a book on the topic from the late 90s, that was basically saying this "anti-troops" type protesting was way less common and systematic than in the popular imagination. 

RedRum

July 16th, 2020 at 3:44 PM ^

The Gulf of Tonkin August 4th Incident was the myth. What ever your thoughts are on that, also compare your thoughts on weapons of mass destruction and make sure they are the same. Some truth to both, but both were embellished to sell an unneeded war. Extrapolate these actions by our government in other areas. It's scary.

Happy Thursday Everybody!

jmblue

July 16th, 2020 at 11:28 AM ^

There is not a single validated account of such behavior by protesters,

Well, most of it wouldn't be significant enough to make a news article.  Also, it might not have happened right when they returned.

My father served in Vietnam and said that a few people were rude to him about it later - in most cases it was actually several years later, after it had become clear in hindsight that the war had been a lost cause.  At the time he returned, this was not as obvious.

But the bigger issue for him was that a lot of people were just indifferent.  You spend a year risking your life for your country, and may be struggling to cope after, but a lot of people didn't seem to care.  The "Support the Troops" stuff now might seem hokey but it means something to the soldiers.

FauxMo

July 16th, 2020 at 11:43 AM ^

I am getting negged so I think people are taking this as a strong political statement. Not at all my intent. FYI, my dad was in the service during Vietnam, not in country, but was drafted into the service in 68 and spent two years in Europe (Germany, France)... 

FauxMo

July 16th, 2020 at 5:17 PM ^

Check the book out and see what you think! Here is the back cover excerpt: 

"One of the most resilient images of the Vietnam era is that of the anti-war protester — often a woman — spitting on the uniformed veteran just off the plane. The lingering potency of this icon was evident during the Gulf War, when war supporters invoked it to discredit their opposition.

In this startling book, Jerry Lembcke demonstrates that not a single incident of this sort has been convincingly documented. Rather, the anti-war Left saw in veterans a natural ally, and the relationship between anti-war forces and most veterans was defined by mutual support. Indeed one soldier wrote angrily to Vice President Spiro Agnew that the only Americans who seemed concerned about the soldier's welfare were the anti-war activists.

While the veterans were sometimes made to feel uncomfortable about their service, this sense of unease was, Lembcke argues, more often rooted in the political practices of the Right. Tracing a range of conflicts in the twentieth century, the book illustrates how regimes engaged in unpopular conflicts often vilify their domestic opponents for "stabbing the boys in the back."

Concluding with an account of the powerful role played by Hollywood in cementing the myth of the betrayed veteran through such films as Coming HomeTaxi Driver, and Rambo, Jerry Lembcke's book stands as one of the most important, original, and controversial works of cultural history in recent years."

And link: https://www.amazon.com/Spitting-Image-Memory-Legacy-Vietnam/dp/0814751474

Booted Blue in PA

July 16th, 2020 at 12:53 PM ^

It is very difficult for a lot of veterans to adjust to civilian life after the service.... whether its after deployment during conflict or not.   

I can attest to that.   As fucked up as things were in the Army and most of us couldn't wait to finish our enlistment, its been nearly 30 years and there are still days when I miss serving.  Its a different life for sure and there's plenty of good as well as bad, but it never leaves you.

The best thing about Facebook, on the dwindling list of good things about facebook, is the ability to reconnect with and stay in touch with the brothers I served with in the late 80s and early 90s.

 

JMo

July 16th, 2020 at 10:51 AM ^

I'm confused about the top tweet.  Did "DeadbyDawn_666" take a picture of his phone to share the story? Why is there a phone in that picture at all? I don't understand.