Drive Chart: O'Korn vs. Peters

Submitted by DM2009 on

This is mostly a duh, but I wanted to post the drives for O'Korn and Peters in the Rutgers game.

O'Korn:

  • 7 plays, 27 yards, punt
  • 3 plays, 11 yards, INT
  • 13 plays, 80 yards, TD
  • 3 plays, 1 yard, punt

Peters:

  • 8 plays, 77 yards, TD
  • 7 plays, 49 yards, TD
  • 4 plays, 54 yards, TD
  • 11 plays, 47 yards, missed FG
  • 2 plays, 61 yards, TD
  • 11 plays, 52 yards, downs
  • 3 plays, 7 yards, punt

Rutgers caveats, obviously, but that is a huge difference. Only drive Peters had were we didn't get a first down was the garbage time drive at the end. Every other drive besides that led us into a spot where we should get points. 

Peters' final stat line also reminds me of the stats Speight was putting up last year when we were bludegeoning teams. Enough to keep the defense honest and let the run game go wild. Considering our improved run blocking, all our QB needs to do is keep the safeties from sprinting downhill at the snap.

I'm really having a hard time not getting excited about his performance. It was exactly what we needed.

The Fan in Fargo

October 29th, 2017 at 12:53 PM ^

Here I am again to feed off of what some were feeding off of me. It's not just the wind. Anyone who has played basketball or football knows that once you get in another stadium or arena, thinks change. Your perception of your throws or shot changes drastically. We'll stick to football comparison here but this is a big deal. You cant throw those deep balls in Al Glick Fieldhouse or whatever that building is where they practice and believe that the same result will be had. Those kids need to get out there in the Big House and work on those throws just like it would be in a game setting. Wind, temperature, blue or grey sky above you. It all factors in. The biggest one for me is the backdrop of a new setting. It really does throw you off. I cant think of any other reasons why so many Michigan quarterbacks haven't been able to consistently connect on deep balls. It's madening.

Bodogblog

October 29th, 2017 at 11:52 AM ^

Peters was really good. 

But Rutgers kept itself honest, for whatever reason.  They had both safeties deep from the opening snap.  This was a big reason for the improved running game as well, unfortunately.  I don't think other teams in our schedule will be as generous. 

BUT.  Peters playing well may be something that forces the teams coming up to keep their safeties back. Couple that with the line blocking better - Rutgers made it a lot easier, but the OL continued its improvement in locating targets and moving people - and an actual offense can emerge. 

BlueWon

October 29th, 2017 at 11:53 AM ^

-- Decisiveness -- got rid of the ball in time to the right guys

-- Gave his receivers a chance to make plays

-- Accuracy

-- Completed passes to 10 receivers (including three backs) -- a required ability in this offense -- that ought to keep the safeties focused on something other than runnning downhill

Things are lookin' up!

Mongo

October 29th, 2017 at 12:00 PM ^

O'Korn is a good man and better teammate, but it was time to build for the future. After Wilton went down, Peters development skyrocketed taking backup snaps. These next two weeks are huge for his continued development. UM might become truly competitive at Camp Randall and who knows how good he can make this improving offense by The Game.

MWolverine7

October 29th, 2017 at 12:05 PM ^

The most important thing for us as a fan base is to allow him to develop. He is going to make mistakes. Impatience with Wilton and John is understandable given their class status and time as starters.

remdog

October 29th, 2017 at 12:06 PM ^

But it’s Rutgers and a small sample size. It is exciting though since O’Korn seemed to have no further upside as a 5th year senior while Peters has immense upside as a redshirt freshman. All of sudden, there are many more possibilities. Peters made some great scrambles and throws, showed the ability to improvise and think on the run. He’ll have his ups and downs. We still need to see how he weathers those and how he fares against a better D. But the possibilities are exciting.

Mongo

October 29th, 2017 at 12:07 PM ^

Peters was actually highly rated - nearly a consensus 5* and Elite11 type QB. These high school ratings matter at QB as they are the most highly scouted position, especially the Dilfer Elite11 designation which has been a huge stamp of approval. O'Korn and Speight were just never in that league in terms of raw talent. They have likely hit their ceilings, where Peters is just starting to ascend.

Schemboeller C…

October 29th, 2017 at 12:08 PM ^

I thought it was very inappropriate when the crowd went crazy when Peter's was put in the game. O'Korn wasn't great but he played his heart out for the team and you can see that he has been a very good role model if you follow him on social media. Imagine how he felt hearing the stadium cheer when he gets benched.

BlueMk1690

October 29th, 2017 at 12:44 PM ^

but it is a valuable life lesson for sure. A situation like playing QB at a major college amplifies many of the things that apply everywhere in life.

One can only hope that O'Korn has the ability to assess these things properly and to know that those people booing him or calling him names are not doing so out of any personal animus and in any event are not people whose opinions he should care about.

Rodriguesqe

October 29th, 2017 at 12:13 PM ^

There is a huge difference between O'Korn's Purdue game and Peter's Rutgers game, and the difference is context.

O'Korn lost his job at Houston, transfered, and 2x lost out on the starting competition to a not great qb Speight. I suspect O'Korn's issues are mostly mental. And surprise PT help negate that. I said as much in a thread where the board was discussing whether 12.5 or 17.5 was the better line against MSU

http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/siap-michigan-opens-125-point-favorite-over…

The Peters storyline is apples and oranges with O'Korns. Regression was likely with O'Korn. Good young talent tends to improve with experience.

And I do think the coaching staff bungled all this. Perhaps it was a series of unfortunate accidents (mainly, Speight not being able to get a comfortable lead against cupcakes), but my expectations of this staff are to come up with solutions. If handled correctly, we would have beat State. I would even guess if Peters started day 1 we score more points in every game so far this year.

tmzenn

October 29th, 2017 at 12:40 PM ^

However, part of me feels the same way as the previous poster. With that said, I say it does not do good to dwell on the past, and it would be best to hope things turn out great for the future.

On the other hand, even after the game when Peters was interviewed, it seemed to me that you could see the youth on Peters expression when talking to the reporter. There appeared to be a lack of confidence that you normally don't see with a seasoned player that has been established as a good to a great quarterback when Peters answered questions. 

I could be reading into Peters expression when he spoke to the reporter. Though, this makes me wonder if Harbaugh saw some of the same inconsistencies with Peters affect and appeared leadership ability compared to his playing ability and wanted to remain on the cautious side of things and stick with the experienced player. Harbaugh could have wanted to protect Peters and wait for the perfect opportunity to provide the most successful environment; but with the way Okorn was playing, he had no choice, but to put Peters in.

 

Rodriguesqe

October 29th, 2017 at 12:32 PM ^

I meant vs Florida, as in day one of 2017. Red shirting is a good idea. Peters was considerably better than any other option in the spring game. 

Watching this offense this year has been like watching a surgeon cut up a body with a dull butter knife. You don't need to be a doctor to see the issue.

And I find it highly more speculative to say the coaching staff needed to hold off  till "the right time" to play Peters than to say we would have beat State with Peters. 

Note: I'm not at all unhappy with Harbaugh or the staff. Never have I once called for any changes since he's been here. But even the right guy sometimes makes the wrong decision. I'm actually extatic now that Peters is in. I just wish we arrived here earlier in a more graceful manner.

TESOE

October 29th, 2017 at 12:45 PM ^

There are ups and downs.  It wasn't the wrong decision just because of one win or any one factor or at all for that matter...  Brady comes in... Bledsoe goes out...so it goes.

Peters' stock is up.  O'Korn is still number 1.5.  We need multiple QBs in this game nowadays.

Let's win games regardless of QB.  The entire team stepped it up.  Let's do that as a fanbase.

I doubt that Peters regresses where Darnold has... that is the beauty of the 'baugh.  

We are good.

TESOE

October 29th, 2017 at 12:26 PM ^

Like it or not failing on this level is a huge downgrade on any QBs NFL aspirations.

O'Korn came to Michigan to play on the highest level. 

O'Korn is not without talent.  The staff didn't bungle this.  They are coaching kids to be men.  It's easy to armchair that and second guess.  It's hard to coach kids into men.  Fortunately the consolation prize is a degree.

bamf16

October 29th, 2017 at 12:36 PM ^

I love people who think that they know more than the accomplished coach and his staff who witnessed all the workouts and practices while the poster saw none of them (ok, one of them if they watched the Spring game.)

 

It's one thing to question individual play calls, but to comment this definitively on a months-long process you know nothing about is pretty effing hilarious.

BlueMk1690

October 29th, 2017 at 12:20 PM ^

We were running the ball at-will on them. Like we were gashing them. This was the same with both QBs in.

Victory thus should have been a foregone conclusion. You have to be real stupid not to win a game if you can get 7 yards a carry on a team and your D isn't a sieve. Our D is still pretty solid so yeah this would normally be a W penciled in.

But O'Korn faltered in the worst possible way and suddenly you're in a close battle more than halfway through the first half. Eventually your QB has to make a few plays even in a game like this and O'Korn just wasn't up to it. If he stays in, it seems pretty likely he makes a few more crucial mistakes and misses easy throws. In that case, the game goes down to the wire.

All Peters had to do was make a few easy throws, 1 or 2 clutch throws and it was ballgame. It's good that Peters could do this as it shows that he can perform adequately at the QB position at this level in the most elementary sense. But it really is flabbergasting that O'Korn *wasn't* able to do that.

The game didn't prove that Peters is a star in the making or leading us to the promised land, but it proved that he's a better bet than O'Korn if only because of the latter's complete collapse over the last month.

Wolfman

October 29th, 2017 at 2:10 PM ^

and possibly just because we hadn't seen it in so long. Believe it was his first, maybe second pass, I looked over at my friend and said, "Damn, he froze the safety and then threw to the right. Had not seen a look off in so long. This kid migh have the goods. Time will tell, but it was good to see. 

chunkums

October 29th, 2017 at 12:40 PM ^

Yeah, I'm wondering as well. Purdue's biggest win was a close game against Louisville, who seems to have imploded since last year. Also, Nebraska's Tanner Lee ripped them up passing last night. With that said, Speight wasn't doing much of anything against Purdue before O'Korn came in and saved the day. I guess what I'm saying is that college football is weird and I hope Peters can continue to perform throughout the season. 

The Denarding

October 29th, 2017 at 12:37 PM ^

I will say what I found different isn't anything situational necessarily. I can see the comparisons between their two defining games. But the post game comments from Harbaugh were radically different. With O Korn it was as if he felt grateful that he came into the Purdue game and despite his limitations played the best he could and it worked out. With Peters he described his performance like you would a young quarterback who you are proud of (good depth on drops, felt the rush, understood what the linebackers were doing, etc). The evaluation itself felt more promising. Quite honestly, this kid will face teams going forward that will mix coverages and mess with his reads and keys. He will look young and make really silly at best, crushing at worst, mistakes. But his future and potential are enticing. For Harbaugh and hopefully the fan base.

The Fan in Fargo

October 29th, 2017 at 1:08 PM ^

Peters is one of those guys just like myself when I was younger in my career. Maybe wasn't the hottest or most focused/knowledgeable in practice but once he got in the game, he clearly became the man. He made the simple throws look simple. He didn't sail the throw a yard over the receivers finger tips or throw it 2 yards behind the guy that was 15 yards away. The one obvious thing he did do wrong though was staring down the receiver on that one that should've been a pick 6 the other way. Everyone saw that I'm pretty sure. I think it's super important that we as a fanbase give this kid all of our support because there is no one left. McCaffrey is not ready to go I'm guessing and I hear he doesn't like to eat much(skinny kid). Peters is only a rs freshman so we aren't going to see perfect right away but he will have experience moving forward and once the game starts slowing down completely for him, he'll be lights out. He has all the tools to be that player. Now, I hope the offensive line realizes that this kid is the future now and better play their asses off to not let him get touched. 

Perkis-Size Me

October 29th, 2017 at 12:52 PM ^

It was only Rutgers, and there are far better defenses in the coming weeks. But this is definitely something to build on. I’m sure Harbaugh gave Peters some safe, low risk plays to handle, but he handled them very well, made his reads, evaded pressure, and didn’t hone in on one receiver too much.

Harbaugh will undoubtedly continue loosening the leash as Peters gets more and more reps. But considering I’m sure yesterday was a limited playbook for Peters, and it was his first real in-game action, it’s definitely a lot to like.

tybert

October 29th, 2017 at 12:52 PM ^

MSU's top 2 backs had 41 carries for 268 yds and 3 TDs.

Would like to see some passing for sure, but power running game that sets up play action the next two weeks would be nice.

I'm also expecting for the Wisky game that Harbaugh and staff will look for ways to have Peters fake a hand off and go end-around. Not often but enough to give OSU some new looks.