1VaBlue1

March 4th, 2020 at 12:36 PM ^

So long as he stays in the booth he can have some valid input.  I do not wish to see him helping Gattis with play calls, though...  Or with play design...  But having an experience OC breaking down opponent film isn't a bad thing.

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

March 4th, 2020 at 3:53 PM ^

I'm not sure someone younger and supposedly up to date makes a better analyst.  Older coaches have seen more defenses and more situations.  They will be better at pattern recognition.  They might not make as good of a coordinator because they might want to revert to running what they know, which rarely works as well as it did when they learned it.  But scouting and analysis?  You need pattern recognition skills more than ideas.

JFW

March 5th, 2020 at 10:31 AM ^

People didn't like him as OC and he got ridiculed for boring predictable offenses. 

He wasn't a spread guy obviously. But he was OC in '97. So he isn't wretched. And he has a ton of experience in college football offenses. 

Whatever his philosophy he can help as an analyst. This is still Gattis offense. He just helps give him good data. 

Blue Middle

March 4th, 2020 at 12:40 PM ^

He doesn't seem like a guy whose offensive philosophy is compatible with Gattis's.

That said, if his role is to research and provide insight on opposing teams and even some self-scouting, that makes some sense.  And I hope that's his role.  He's incredibly experienced and has had some success.  I just don't want him to have much of a voice when it comes to constructing our offense.

CR

March 4th, 2020 at 1:41 PM ^

I like DeBord and he is a really fine teacher. I know, because I was/am a really slow student when Lloyd made him try to teach me something about OL play.

Contrary to what many think, he isn't some stick in the mud retro guy.

He brought a complete zone offense to UM when he thought that suited Mike Hart and he convinced Lloyd to hire Alex Gibbs to teach the UM staff, at a time when such offenses weren't ordinary. It worked pretty well, IMO.

But he can go with the flow, as he did at Indiana and last year as a sort of unpaid informal advisor at BGSU.

He won't be defining UM's offense. Not at all. But he will be an asset to the program.

 

Hail-Storm

March 4th, 2020 at 2:01 PM ^

Cool insight from inside the old fort. 

That change is not talked about as much as it could. The zone blocking was a big change and fit Hart very well. 

I think my major complaint about the offenses were that they never tended to open up until OSU or the bowl game.  Or unless the team was way behind (aka Brady throwing for 200 + yards in a loss to MSU). 

Not sure how much of the not running teams out of the stadium offense was Debord or Carr.

Jason80

March 4th, 2020 at 8:20 PM ^

But Brian was bored by his offense at Michigan and that is what matters most.

He figured out how to get production enough to win  MNC with a below typical Michigan offensive unit by using the star cornerback.

If the defense had maybe tried making a stop in 06 in Cbus we go back to the natty.

Oh and the team had reportedly worked significantly on an Antonio Bass playbook that was scrapped when his injury happened. But he wasnt creative they say because we didnt run QB iso 20 times a game like some other offensive geniuses do.

I'll take substance over style if that substance means wins, and regardless of how he has been at other stops DeBo's Michigan teams won a lot more than non DeBo Michigan teams have in the last 25 years.

kurpit

March 4th, 2020 at 11:04 PM ^

The game has changed. It's always changing and DeBord hasn't been a part of anything even mildly successful in ages. And, anyhow, Michigan's offenses were ranked 44th, 46th, 48th, 26th and 64th in the years corresponding to 1997-1999 and 2006-2007, his offensive coordinator years. Lets not pretend like Michigan had overpowering offenses. In those days you could be a national power by just being very strong on one side of the ball and mediocre on the other.

shoes

March 5th, 2020 at 8:36 AM ^

This. I would argue that his offenses under-performed their talent. I do think that was 85 percent Lloyd, who once he won the NC continued to approach offense (attempted ball control, don't turn it over), as though he had the 1997 defense every year and basically you didn't want the offense to screw things up. Perhaps the single most infuriating game (though it was great fun to watch), was his last game against Florida, when he was a lame duck coach, a 10 point underdog, and had nothing to lose. It took that to show what the offense might have been.

Blue Middle

March 4th, 2020 at 2:44 PM ^

He used a spread, but that's just a formation.  RPOs, play designs, and basic philosophy of a focus on skill players have never been DeBord's calling cards.  He's focused on line play, zone concepts, play action.  He's going to design and run an offense built around core plays that he believes can out-execute his opponents.

Gattis has a match-up approach where "the defense dictates where the ball goes" using highly flexible play design and a focus on personnel.  Gattis has a more diverse, flexible approach that is not based on being able to execute regardless of opponent; rather its core tenant is taking what the defense is giving.

At this point, everyone but Dan Enos is using the spread.  That doesn't mean they're all following the same philosophy.

fishgoblue1

March 4th, 2020 at 1:41 PM ^

Name a "promising grad assistant" that would be willing to be an analyst instead of working with the players.  Analysts cannot coach on the field.  A "promising grad assistant" can.  These jobs are for experienced coaches that are currently out of work.  Analyst jobs are not stepping stone jobs for a grad assitant.  In fact, I think it would hurt a grad assistant.  They need the on field coaching and sideline work to improve their coaching skill.

ERdocLSA2004

March 4th, 2020 at 2:12 PM ^

Perhaps true.  I guess I just get leery with Harbaugh’s self proclaimed loyalty to the ways of Bo and the old guard.  The hiring of Debord is just a concern that he continues to look back in UM’s history to try to find success for the future.  I’ll have no problem eating crow if we win the BIG and beat OSU this year though!!

tspoon

March 4th, 2020 at 1:32 PM ^

Out routes, baby!

Middle-deep routes were a serious infraction in Mike's reading of the footballing rulebook.

"Plays in space" = get the ball to a guy coming back to the QB or running toward the sidelines, requiring him to stop/spin, 'put on the moves' and then hope he can accelerate.  Yikes.

Alumnus93

March 4th, 2020 at 5:18 PM ^

Is this a joke? He was the OC when we won the national title.  He was Carr's heir apparent and got rebuffed. And look at the utter shit show that followed.  He was a fine asset for the program and am glad to have him back, if nothing, for aura...