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|3 days 10 hours ago||oh Scruffy||
If you're going to take the time to talk down to me, you might want to first go back and do a careful read of both Brian's piece (including what he stated up front as this piece's intent, i.e., the context in which it was to be read) and then also my specific comments (which most assuredly did NOT question Brian's prerogative to write "what he thinks"). To clarify, he said he was laying forth his view of the order in which specific players were most likely to be starters at the 27 listed positions.
To your questions:
1) yes, I am suggesting the Brian improve his occasional heavy categorization of the non-star players ... yes, I think he should change what he thinks. More precisley, I think he should change HOW he thinks. He would be well served to let his opinions flow more fluidly with incremental data on players as it arrives. He has an observable bias in some (NOT all) cases among the lesser players to establish a point of view and then cling to it, many times against futher evidence, and some times (like here with Stribling) against reason. It can make for entertaining writing and perhaps he feels it is a useful tool in conveying to the average reader a sense of his expertise (which is, in fact, very deep), but I've seen it get off the rails from time to time. He sometimes crystalizes his view, and then it just flows downstream from that point. For example, it is not remotely reasonable to expect at this juncture that either of those two freshmen are in the same likelihood category as Stribling (a very seasoned player who is, at the very least, demonstrably competent ... even with some notable flaws). As others noted in response to your post, he often does this in the context of expectations from the recruiting cycle. I would also note he has some tendency to do this (in either + or - ways, from player to player) within season and season-to-season. It is noticable within UFRs, when he selectively highlights (positively or negatively) certain guys.
To be clear, I'm not saying it is impossible for Hill and/or Long to pass Stribling up next year. I'm saying that Brian has no rational basis for making that claim at this point, given what he described as the point of this exercise. His view on this one point is countervaling to both logic and data. When coupled with my observations of some of his tendencies over the years, I highlighted it as one example of how Brian sometimes allows his bias to influence his judgment.
2) going back to the first part of this post, I am pretty sure this was NOT a dumb place for my "tirade." It's exactly the place. Brian was laying out his view on specific guys' likelihood of STARTING. To your rhetorical questions about Harbaugh's grand sense of player development and future seasons, of course JH is smart enough to see the need in '17 and beyond. But that is NOT what Brian was getting at. Or, if it is the case that he did allow that consideration into his thinknig in the Strib vs Hill/Long instance in particular ... well, then Brian got himself derailed from his own mission, didn't he? And that would only further my point of his negative bias on Stribling influencing his subjective output around a set of objective facts.
Look, I recognize the entirety of my post is an in-the-weeds observation. And it is very much the gnat on the ass of the elephant. This blog (and this board) are spectacular elements of the overall 'M' sports community. That being said, I do think it's fair to have a discussion on "the little stuff." I'd be shocked if Brian disagrees with that view. And I'm not even making an entitled bellyache of "I want Brian to deliver me a better product" ... what I'm saying is that in his quest to be great (which he inherently does have, and it's observable in his passion and fire to do all things well on this site), he would futher his own cause with a little introspection on this point.
|4 days 7 hours ago||biases||
Love Brian's work overall, but one of the longstanding bones to pick is how his biases or partially-formed theses (extrapolated from mixed and/or limited data) sometime crystalize into truisms. Sometimes that is falling in love with a player, other times that is relegating a player to undeserved also-ran status.
Example here: the laughable thought that Channing Stribling ought to be grouped with Vert Hill (or even David Long) in likelihood of PT as a 2016 CB. Utterly preposterous. While I'm a huge fan of Hill's long-term potential, it is complete nonsense to expect a PSL kid to come in and make plays like we often see from Stribling. See: undercutting Florida WR on a well thrown, well run deep square-in during the bowl game for the PBU.
Sure Stribling has some whiffs (some very frustrating), but he can and will play. A lot, actually ... and while he may not beat out Clark for the #2 CB spot, there is a near 100% chance he would be next man up if Clark was injured. He is a far steadier pair of trusted hands out on that CB island than either of the incoming freshmen, regardless of their respective ceilings. We have, for example, significant evidence that Stribling has made tons of progress as an open field tackler, especially when he's isolated against the run (an important element of the CB trade that few freshmen -- particularly the "pure cover corner" variety -- can perform sufficiently). We have ZERO basis for an informed opinion on that matter for either Long or Hill.
The prevalence of subtle biases among the non-stars in Brian's work is not new. Nor is it entirely bad. It gives us something to debate. And, unlike various other 'M' website personas, he isn't so threatened by it as to freak out in response. But it is a weakness that I have noticed creeping in through certain recountings and subjective analyses (UFR, etc) over the years.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Two things||
1) I love you for doing this. If I could go hang with my 'M' boys one of these Friday evenings over beers, I would insist we geek out on it name by name for hours.
2) on the specific rankings you are a clueless idiot and wrong many, many times over ... but this is still freaking awesome
|2 weeks 4 days ago||I'm thinking Shantee Orr 2.0||
I'm thinking Shantee Orr 2.0 might be the better comparison. Unblockable speed off the snap.
|3 weeks 3 hours ago||No. Wisconsin hates us.||
No. Wisconsin hates us. Iowa hates us. PSU hates us. And Illinois really, really hates us.
Of course, the lunatic fringe at each of them individually assumes we count them as a rival.
|3 weeks 3 hours ago||The dad||
Now that we've learned the dad's name is Swen Swenson, the pendulum has swung again and I'm officially pissed at Harbaugh. He passed on that kind of awesomeness? Jim just doesn't get it.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||Glad to hear you are going to||
Glad to hear you are going to do more of this, Brian.
It would be that much more interesting if you could get some of your fellow bloggers following other programs to do the same thing.
I mostly care about what the 'M' related sites are able to deliver on our guys. But if there is systematic outsized suckiness at one of the services that is analytically observable, that would be worth seeing.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||Please do more of this. I||
Please do more of this. I think they are fair game.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||Posible, but Trieu saw him||
Posible, but Trieu saw him live and said much the same thing.
There were plenty of reports in SE MI that Trishton is a terrific athlete, and a natural at WR.
And he was a monster in high school hoops last year too.
Even though he made many of those plays in a league not traditionaly characterized as elite for either basketball or football, the kid is at the very least seriously athletic.
Sometimes you miss some. And other times you don't worry yourself too much about kids coming out of the 248 area code ... the track record of them fulfilling the hype is pretty spotty, to say the least.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||I think everyone on this||
I think everyone on this board can agree that Bert sucks. That truth spans all generations and time periods of the game.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||B1G guarantees its schollies||
B1G guarantees its schollies are for four years.
Easy picking to market itself as the high ground option relative to the S(ee) E(verybody) C(heats).
|5 weeks 5 hours ago||Gary||
In addition to the challenges mentioned in the prior post in comparting OL and DL, the Kalis comparison is not fitting because it was widely observed in his Army All-Star week that he was far from dominant. Looked pretty ordinary, actually. Clearly not a 5*.
In contrast, last week at the UA Gary looked like a terror, a man amongst boys. He has it all: size, unrelenting motor, excellent and diverse technique and freakish speed for his size.
I think he is far and away the best DL prospect I have seen. Ever.
|5 weeks 8 hours ago||also||
I don't know of any precedents as impact players because all the hype seems to be about QBs (Russell Wilson, Rudock, et al), but are there any whispers of a graduate transfer in at LB?
As I recall, Josh Furman went that route to OkSt on the way out of U-M.
|5 weeks 8 hours ago||LB options||
Didn't Chase Winovich move back to LB? Or, if he hasn't yet, wouldn't that plausibly be on the table at this point?
|5 weeks 3 days ago||DA, not Manningham||
I loved Mario, but the better former M player comparison for Chesson is Derrick Alexander. At least in terms of his physical gifts and playing style. Lanky-tall with tons of straight line speed and a bit more wiggle than people expect of him. Not elite hands, but developing into very good. Is a consistent threat to take the top off the D, but also can make plays at the mid-level, including an ability to either juke for or fight for YAC.
Chesson is still growing a lot as a wideout ... this is a guy who is still getting coached up. I think we see a VERY interesting player in him next fall. I was one of the few who was fairly bullish on him coming into the season (loved his work ethic combined with the speed/length combo), but I didn't expect him to come this far, this fast.
Chesson already blocks immeasurably better than either Manningham or DA ever did. I wouldn't take him in a footrace over DA, but he does so many other things at least as well or better.
And there is an even greater separation off the field. As Drake Johnson noted that Jehu stands out on the team for "having his sh!t together" ... well, that was quite the opposite of Mario and Derrick, who would have done well for themselves to be a little more responsible in life. DA, in particular, is one guy who is awfully glad that the internet was only a pipe dream during his college years.
|10 weeks 1 day ago||No doubt about the Stadium's cultural importance||
I married into a big SEC family (mostly Bama and UGa), and one of my wife's great aunts was a HUGE Bama booster. Gifts to players, the whole nine yards.
When she came up to Ann Arbor for our wedding, the ONLY thing she absolutely had to do before heading back south was see the Stadium. She could not care less for a single thing north of the Mason-Dixon line (her words), but she had to see Michigan Stadium.
PS - for those who haven't been to PSU's contraption of a home field, yes they can get 100k+ in there, but it looks like they hired McGuyver to put it together rather than an architect. So I could see how some visiting Nits would want to see it. Ours CRUSHES theirs in every way.
|10 weeks 2 days ago||Anyone is a downgrade?? LoL||
So, how did the very best D-Coord in all of CFB do on his final exam this year?
LoL ... methinks our 2016 DL roster alone will attract a number of HIGHLY qualified candidates for his seat. All of that back plus Mone and maybe plus Rashan Gary. Is there a 'licking chops' emoticon around here?
|19 weeks 1 day ago||religoius draw to Auburn||
Alex Kozan says hello from the Auburn campus chapel.
Danwillhor is totally correct in that for those players/families where a religious connection is a big deal, the southern schools have a huge leg up.
I'm not sure we know enough from Sam Webb's interview as to have a good sense on how big a deal that really is to Rashan and his mom.
|22 weeks 1 day ago||No way standing around in||
No way standing around in that picture is grounds for dismissal
|22 weeks 1 day ago||The difference||
The difference is you're not likely surrounded by a bunch of highly compensated adults every day who beat it into your skull on a regular basis that you're in a fishbowl 24/7 and should do whatever it takes to avoid said dumb shit.
|22 weeks 1 day ago||Drinking?||
I seriously doubt this was just a drinking incident.
Jim has plenty of personal experience with drinking issues. No way he straight up boots a guy off the squad for ONLY that.
Now it may turn out that alcohol was involved in whatever happened. But it's a very safe bet that whatever it was, it was very serious. Jim has been around the block ... publicly canning a veteran player and explaining it with "conduct unbecoming" ... that's smoke from a very significant fire.
|22 weeks 1 day ago||Not many tests to cheat on||
Not many tests to cheat on this early in the semester....
|22 weeks 1 day ago||Samuelson||
He wasn't exactly chosen over Pocic. He was a late-ish add when the view on OL numbers had changed (increased)... the Pocic ship had long sailed at that point.
Samuelson was glad to trade up. Pocic was in a different boat than that.
Now you can argue Pocic vs Bosch for sure. That was the real decision at hand at the time.
|22 weeks 1 day ago||Personally...||
I try to stop thinking of them as kids once they enter the program. Because they aren't. It slips into my lexicon from time to time as well, but the reality is this is his third year here. It isn't kids' play anymore for LTT or anyone else on the team.
|22 weeks 1 day ago||Rivals||
There is a culture of subtle (or not-so) douchebaggery among the higher-ups on that staff that goes back a long, long way. Well before they split up with Tom Beaver.
Glad Brian called them out.
|22 weeks 1 day ago||He was a killer from the get-go||
I was at the UVa game and Charles had two PBUs that were both very nearly highlight reel INTs. When he came in for the injured Steve King, the Hoos targeted him right away ... he gave up a play, but then was a total monster.
If Brian is drooling (rightly so) over #26's coverage in this game, he would be ga-ga over Woodson's first appearance on the field.
It was really only the game at MSU against a very excellent Mushin Muhammad that Charles really took any Freshman lumps.
Charles was all that. He really, truly was. The moment he came into that first game you could see he was on an entirely different level, first as an athlete and second as a guy whose football IQ blossomed almost immediately (I'm talking in the context of a small number of plays, not games or years). I was in the northeast corner of the stadium about 30 rows up, sitting with a buddy who played WR at CMU ... we were just floored at what we saw. It was very plain to the naked eye.
Having him and David Bowens on the field at the same time ... most freakish pair of game-changing D talents I've seen together at 'M.' Good grief, if only someone could have gotten Bowens to go to class....
|44 weeks 2 days ago||hmmm||
I'd like to keep up my track record as a sexist jackass when it comes to such questions and pick some hottie off the women's teams ... but there really were none that stand out from my vintage (early-mid 90s). Though a couple were kind of cute, the teeny little gymnasts never rang my bell. The women's hoops, softball, volleyball, field hockey and T&F teams were pretty barren in those days. Maybe the McCorkel twins on the golf team?
Absent a knockout chica, I'll change up my criteria entirely and vote for pure sports awesomeness and say that the Olympian swimmers of that era that John U recruited (Barrowman, Borges, Wunderlich, Namesnik (RIP) and Dolan) were a mighty crew. It was pretty amazing to have that group of super-accomplished athletes on campus together (more or less -- Dolan and Barrowman didn't overlap). Heckuva run for the Maize & Blue.
|1 year 12 weeks ago||Loeffler||
I think you are paintng a VERY overly-rosey picture of Scot's track record post-Michigan. No one is talking about him as HC material.
For the record, I was very much on the Loeffler side of the equation in the "who should be calling the plays, Loeffler or DeBoring" debates of the last Carr years (esp '07, when many reported that Scot was the one who finally got his way in putting together the aggressive game plan in the bowl game against UF).
But ... he has not shown anything of significance to support the idea of him being a coaching prodigy. Is he at least a competent grinder? Sure. But that's a low bar. He's turned out to be quite ordinary.
|1 year 19 weeks ago||I totally agree with not||
I totally agree with not viewing our team as a 'product on the field.'
I gave up my 20 years-running season tickets when Bradon hired Hoke because I was pretty sure that Brandon expressly DID view our guys as a product. And he saw us as the suckers who would take anything served to us and like it.
Sometimes being right is miserable.
|1 year 23 weeks ago||Bosch tools||
Very unlikely he's related to the Bosch family of Bosch Tools. The company in question is a massive German multinational ... as in more than $50Billion in sales and 300,000 employees. (The home tools business is a relatively small part of what they do ... they are also a HUGE auto and industrial components manufacturer -- it's just that consumers recognize the brand because they come in contact with the tools.)