Denard is within grasp of Michigan's single season rushing record and doesn't even make the initial depth chart?
BTW, Cowherd is a douche!
Denard is within grasp of Michigan's single season rushing record and doesn't even make the initial depth chart?
BTW, Cowherd is a douche!
Denard is a running back or slot receiver.
He plays QB because he is the best option Rich Rod has but anywhere else (even other spread teams IMO) he would be at another position.
Seems like you dont know it.
I'm sure florida wouldn't love him right now . and texas . should i go on . Any spread team would take Drob after this year . You would be stupid not to
You're saying this because he's black and undersized. You think he's not smart enough to run a real playbook and too small to play in a pro-system.
Look at his passing numbers (65% completion percentage, 1509 yards, 10 TD, 5 INT), they're good. And don't tell me he can't throw the ball downfield, because his DSR has been over 60% in every game this year. Do you watch any other spread rushing offenses? Denard is the prototypical spread QB, and would probably be a good pro-style QB, but your underlying biases are killing what your own eyes see on Saturdays. If Denard was white, no one would be theorizing who would be our QB under a new coach.
Take the race talk somewhere else.
Wait, so he's not black? What? Stating the fact that he's black is "race talk?" Why are we all so hypersensative of race these days . . . I think it's more racist to say we shouldn't talk about race.
I think race talk would be saying that he's not a good quarterback because he's black, which we all know is idiotic.
EDIT: sorry about bringing this up.
(but btw, he also said he's criticized for being undersized . . . soooo . . . yeah. nothing racist about his post. unless you also think we can't talk about people being undersized . . . )
My interpretation was that the original comment said people think Drob isn't smart enough to play that style b/c he's black. That would be a garbage thing to say, and would be race baiting. I hope that wasn't the case.
Slow down there. I'm automatically racist for saying that? Damn. You're the one who jumped on that thought right away, just saying.
All I'm saying is I think he would be utilized in other ways if possible. How many drives have died when it's 3rd and 10 and the defense knows he is going to pass? I'm not saying he can't throw the ball downfield, but don't tell me he is great at it either. The majority of his completions are safe throws which result in YAC.
As it is, teams have to gameplan for Denard. How much time do you think they spend (waste) on other players? Look at what MSU did, they made him throw and they won the game because of his mistakes (not taking anything away from MSU, they made all the plays). He could be just as electric at another position, plus if UM had a different QB the team would have a few more options. I appreciate he is a great talent, there is no denying that.
So quit whining and learn how to think critically. TIA.
I think Tate actually would be the favorite in this scenario. has all the QB mechanics down. It wouldn't be a seamless transition, but I think Tate has the most in place for Harbaugh to work with. I think the term "Pro-Style" might be evolving to mean more than just I-form w/ QB under center. I think Harbaugh could adjust schematically to emphasize the strengths of his players. Harbaugh plus Tate + Shaw + WRS + Athletic experienced line =/= 2008 redux, offensively speaking. I think 2009 might be a better offensive comparison to what it would potentially look like with someone like Jim coming aboard.
4 games to go, though. the world of college football is fucking crazy. we'll see what happens.
Tate and Devin would never see the field, because Harbaugh would have his slot receiver, Denard, fielding punts and kickoffs as well. Every single one will go for a TD. End debate.
I do find it interesting that many people said RR was supposed to adapt his system to UM's personnel when he was hired and criticized him for not doing so. And yet these same people apparently feel that if UM hires Harbaugh he will run a pro set from day 1 and our Heisman candidate will become a bench-warmer. Isn't Harbaugh supposed to adapt his system??
Methinks that these people believe spread coaches are supposed to be adaptable while pro set guys are obviously right in their approach so they don't need to adapt to anything. That or else they had an agenda from day one.
Point to one of the "many" people who, or posts that, make the argument that any new coach will not have to adapt his system. You are making up your own argument to argue against.
i think Harbaugh would adapt somewhat. Transitioning to a spread with pro-style players just takes as long as it takes to recruit the guys for the system. Tate has been groomed as a passer since birth. He has the basics that a former QB such as Harbaugh can use to fit to his system. I'm not saying it would be a flawless transition, but there would be something there for him to work with. Rich Rod had nothing to work with at some key positions.
For instance, I think Harbaugh would build off some multiple wide receiver sets with Tate in the shotgun. He may also work a lot with QB bootlegs out of the I-form (something we've seen around the goalline with Tate over the last 2 seasons). There are things an offensive minded coach can do to mitigate the effects of things like QB's lacking ideal size for pocket-passing. Hopkins would be a great I-form back to build off of. There are a number of pieces in place, even if there's attrition.
Most importantly, presumably Harbaugh would inherit a lot of game experience on offense. Threet-Sheridan =/= Tate/Denard/Devin.
I don't think it would be unreasonable to hold 2009 as a baseline for year one with Jim Harbaugh. That's purely hypothetical, but not unreasonable.
We'll see what happens. It is nice to know that if Rich returns, our offense will give us a great chance to win every game.
that quote from your signature. I know you didn't say it, but to repeat it gives credit to someone that is pretty sad. IMO. God Bless.
doesn't Denard have a 68% completion rate? I think he could play Pro, if that even happened. Coward is a clueless fool. So i won't even continue to speculate.
If the OP is of the same thought process I am, he is probably assuming Denard transfers to a better fit (much like Mallet did).
If Denard didn't transfer, then his role would likely not be full time QB, but he'd definitely be on the field and getting the ball. (Think Antonio Bass type role, and also that play where Henne pass out to Maningham or Arrington, who then passes to the other.)
How big were Troy Smith and/or Michael Robinson? I don't remember either one being particularly big, though they were probably over 215 at least.
I know everyone is assuming that Harbaugh wants to run a pro-style offense, but is that necessarily true. Smart coaches can adapt to their personel. There is nothing to say that Harbaugh can't run a hybrid offense or bring in an OC that does so, or even runs the spread.
Too short rabble rabble, Drew Brees rabble rabble, Colt McCoy rabble rabble.
Also, this really bugs me: The spread is an offensive formation, it is not a scheme or how the offense operates. Mike Leach runs a spread and RR runs a spread. The only similarity they have is formation. It has nothing to do with playcalling so quit generalizing every shotgun offense as the same by calling it a spread.
Also, don't call the opposite "prostyle." There are plenty of spread formations and concepts in the NFL.
FWIW, I am confident that Harbaugh would come in and at least attemp to use Denard the same way RR has. Hell, it is possible he would keep Magee.
If Harbaugh is our coach next year, I don't think Denard transfers. I think he knows he won't be a QB at the next level so playing a Reggie Bush or Percy Harvin role in a pro style offense for a guy who has an NFL head coach for a brother isn't a bad way to spend his last 2 years.
He would still be a big part of the offense no matter what style we play.
As much as I enjoy watching Denard develop and be our QB, there is a part of me that would just love to see him play another role in the offense. WR, perhaps. He would burn every secondary in the country and be wide open downfield. I just wanna see Tate to Denard in stride just once. Or make that 4 or 5 times. Against Ohio State. Yeah, that's the ticket.
I remember us trying that last year (dont remember who it was against) and Denard did not burn the DB and Tate threw a pick.
That was against OSU.
Tate underthrew that ball, though.
But the bigger point is that Denard is a good QB and should not switch positions.
Not me. I personally enjoy Denard having the ball in his stands every play. Much more exciting than watching him catch 8 passes a game.
Although I agree with you, if Denard was moved, he's get the ball more than 8 times. I think he'd play RB and WR and would probably get 20 touches a game, maybe more. Having that, and Gardner touching the ball on every play might be our best chance to win.
Who cares what Cowherd said? He hasn't followed this situation in nearly the depth just about everyone on this board has. And it's not like Brandon cares.
on this board, I cannot stop myself from mentally saying "Coward" in my head...
What's new? Everyone has their opinion on RR and whether or not he will be here next year. Whatever. I am going to sit here and quietly cry over the defensive UFR and pretend like I don't give a shit anymore.
Colin Cowherd would pretend to like dolphin punching if he thought it would make him look better and get him more listeners.
I challenge you to find me an example where Cowherd managed to actually break any sort of news with legit sources. He's throws crap on the wall and tries to see what sticks.
I don't support firing RR (yet), and I don't care what Cowherd thinks/says.
But I agree -- the argument that it would take 3-4 years to rebuild to run a pro-style offense is silly. As you listed, we have plenty of big bodies on offense. Also, small bodies can be very effective in a pro style offense. Anthony Carter, Desmond Howard, Jamie Morris, Mercury Hayes, etc.
The true downside is it makes using Denard much more difficult. And he may be my favorite Wolverine ever.
And realized that I did not have Michigan's soon to be all time leading rusher on the depth chart. He could be first string RB or WR but I doubt Harbaugh would have him in at QB. Also I did not want to include this but a lot of mgobloggers think Robinson will transfer if RR leaves so there is that.
1 or 2?
Thought about 2 but got to get back to work. Thanks for asking!
So apparently he used up all of his smart juice when he hired M guys as his agent and lawer.
I agree the transition would not be as bad because most people agree that moving to a pro offense is easier than moving to a spread one.
I would like to say I acknowledge Cowherd is a jackass but I like him anyway. But his predictions alot of times are so off it is unreal. Example A: LeBron will stay in Cleveland. Example B: Ole Miss will beat Auburn. Based on that evidence RR will be here for many seasons and have many properous teams.
He said that RR recruited all of these tiny players
Tired of hearing this (tiny players). Hopkins isn't small, and IIRC one of our freshman WR's is 6 ft 4. Gardener isn't small. Roundtree is not small, IMO.
Also our o-line actually is larger than Iowa's. I checked this recently, they average something like 290 and we're closer to 300, over 300 if Dorrestein is in instead of Huyge.
Downplaying our OL is absurd. One of the first lessons I learned on mgoblog was the overblown statement about how our OL wouldn't produce NFL calibur talent. Molk, Lewan, and Omameh (at the minimum) look like really good prospects. Also, judging by our offensive production in Big10 play, I'd argue they have held their own within the B10.
RR has said himself that he wants bigger guys. He may not have targeted smaller guys for the sake of having smaller guys, but there is no denying that several of our positions have shrunk, while many others have stayed the same. RR would not deny this fact, though he may deny the implied intentionality people give it. Cowherd can't be faulted for pointing this out in terms of a transition to a pro style offense.
to have any problems being one of the best offenses in FBS
I think the current offensive players could actually play in any type of offense because they're very talented. The only growing pains would be learning the new plays and terminology. I think a mixed offense would be optimal if a change does happen.
But since he was talking about us on his national show I thought it was worth a post for those who did not hear it. DB does not care about what Cowherd thinks but if Cowherd's lawyer and agent are M guys DB might care what their deep pockets think (assuming they are donors).
but another transition awaits, with no guarantees. (I've emphasized this before in posts, but repeat it when I can because I think there's always a little magic thinking about the "next guy.") I agree that failure next year is unacceptable, but given that there's so much reason to believe next year is better, I think waiting is the better course. Plus--frankly--I just like the guy.
He was a big Rodriguez fan last month. Now he's dogging him.
Cowherd doesn't know what he's talking about.
The truth is this: all Cowherd cares about and knows about is his USC Toejams (who he said would finish 11-1 this year) and LA Lakers. Oh, and he pretends to know something about baseball from time to time.
The only salient point Colin has made in the last 5 years is about how the first thing NBA players buy when they sign their contracts is a new car - ergo NBA players are horrible with finances and money. Brilliant Colin! Did you think that up all by yourself?
Other than that, I honestly don't know why Colin Cowherd is employed by ESPN. Seriously.
Are his ratings that great?
ESPN, a big chunk of the mainstream print media, and most of the talk radio world have decided (maybe rightly) that people are more likely to stay tuned to someone they can't stand shouting absurd opinions than someone rational/reasonable.
Cowherd, Plaschke, Rosenberg/Snyder, Sharp, Rome, Mariotti, Bayless, Stephen A. Smith, etc. aren't all making money by accident or because they offer any insight into the sports world. People apparently like having someone they can disagree with more than someone knowledgeable or instructive.
A few weeks ago he was saying that we were ready for a MNC run next year
Cowherd wasn't really dogging on RichRod. He still stated that he thought he was a solid coach. Just stated that he wouldn't survive the environment in Ann Arbor as it is now. He thinks things may be too far gone for RichRod to not fall victim to the expectations of admin/alum/fans without a couple more wins. I tend to agree.
That's like, his opinion, man.
He's paid to be a rabble-rouser.
All our D needs is experience (it can't get any younger) and a new DC with his trusted crew, yet I read so much RR is gone crap. Obviously, THERE ARE people that want RR gone in just 3 years.
Rodriguez said Cowherd is gone after this season!
Angry man leaving student section during 1st half of Wisconsin game says Rodriguez gone after this year!
-CMRNews Archives, September 2008
Que sera, sera.
/snark, me giving a fuck about speculation until the season's actually over.
I left at half because I was out of beer...
Your Fandom Endurance III merit badge may make up for lacking the Best Comeback at the Big House merit badge... but you'll still have to get beers for those of us with both :]
I'm fairly confident Tate could run Harbaugh's offense at a high level. Denard could be our Percy Harvin. Like this year, I don't think the offense would be the problem. Harbaugh would HAVE to work some recruiting magic in order to start bringing in elite defensive talent.
I don't think any coach is enough of an idiot to not have Denard on the field as much as possible, no matter what offense they're running.
Has some spread elements in it. Luck even runs by design from time to time. I don't think the transition would be enormous.
If a dumbass (Cowherd) speaks and nobody cares, did it even happen?
The past 3 years we have recruited for a spread offense. The fact that we could field a player suited to be in a pro style offense in most (not even all) positions ignores the reality that spread-type players or air (due to transfers) will be backing up these players. Moreover, there will be a 3 year gap of players that were not recruited for the pro-style offense going forward, meaning that pro-style coach will have to put a bunch of true freshman types in the 2 deep to field an effective offense.
We could lose Denard. Awesome. Tate wouldn't be far behind. Luckily we have Gardner but then we are in a Pryor-like situation (nothing behind him on the depth chart).
Then there's injuries. Then what? Our offense could look like our current defense in a hurry if we switch to a pro-style offense. A switch in offensive philosophy WILL require transition years and rebuilding...again. Then we perhaps start the Notre Dame death spiral. Fun.
In your situation, I believe it is more than likely that Harbaugh lands one or two sleeper QB's or even a couple blue chips due to his reputation as a QB guru and our barren dpeth chart. Also Gardner and Hopkins are freshman, our line has other big guys in the wings (Mealer, Khoury) that I did not mention and all of our freshman recievers, all four of them (Miller, J Robinson, Jackson and Williamson) are big. Sure we could use some more depth at almost every position but RR has recruited well, the cupboard is not empty and Harbaugh will recuit well enough to fill in the holes behind the starters. This is all speculation of course but couple what we return with our schedule next year and I think we will more than okay.
There's no guarantee we'd land a good QB in short time (remember RR's attempts? and he's a damn good recruiter). Even if we did, he'd be a true freshman. Again.
Hopkins is pretty good and may be good in the future, but having 1 non-awesome RB on the depth chart isn't going to cut it. Oh, and Dee probably packs his bags as well.
TE depth is not good at all for a pro-style offense. Fullback depth is essentially nonexistent. WR depth is OK but would need some help.
Face it, the transition would require moderate to significant rebuilding, depending on injuries and last minute recruiting success. Getting back to full, quality depth would take at least another 3-4 years.
And, we are still ignoring the rebuilding project on the other side of the ball...
Given the amount of returning talent we have on offense, we should not need to rebuild there if the coach handles it properly. Not every coach goes through a difficult first season where the offense can't score. Those who do usually start out with very limited talent. Barring transfers, that won't be the case for us.
cowherd is a douche bag. He comes to Ann Arbor and acts like he loves RR, and now he thinks he is gone because he has "insider" information? what a joke. I'm sure his "connections" know he has radio and tv shows and would be stupid to tell him anything, if they even know what they are talking about.
on the michigan coaching situation is about as useful as asking Rush Limbaugh for weight loss advice.
mle kiper jr says he will stay http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5763291
Cowherd is a troll with a radio microphone. Ignore him, please.
Who cares what this self-proclaimed "expert" thinks..Michigan has two winnable games coming up..Throw in the possibilty of an upset against Wisky or OSU and a bowl victory and RR is back at it in 2011.
Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing the D come home to the Big House and come out fired up after a rough trip to Happy Valley and make some big stops.
Who gets everything wrong. Just today, Bethlehem Shoals of Free Darko fisked him for his comments on John Wall.
Good read, except thinking about Cowherd's asshattery gets me furious.
Do we really need a thread anytime a blowhard says something about the program? We all know Cowherd just says things to get air time and publicity. I mean did you hear what he said about John Wall what a joker.
Do not read it if it bothers you. If I had not heard this personally I would have wanted someone to relay the message. Thank you come again.
I'm not sure that DB's thought process. I think it may take two more wins. Going 2-6 in conference with wins over Indiana and injury-riddled Purdue may not be sufficient progress.
I'll to that by borrowing from Mike Leach: "Fuck you, fuck me, fuck everybody!"
worked out his deal with Florida, the only schools he agreed to bypass the buyout $$ was Michigan and ND. He has already passed on ND.
Since we're speculating...
I'd like to put all 'blog readers on notice (in case any of you care) that I *am* going to strangle the next person who says "pro-style offense" in my presence.
Cowherd also said that Mrs. Doubtfire is the best comedy ever made. Need I say more?
No! I can't deal with another 4 year transition, have the patience to let RR finish what he started!
Wait, Cowherd isn't the AD of UM? Nevermind then.
The argument as stated doesn't make sense - we are scoring on everyone. The problem is the defense and the reasons for that have been discussed here and elsewhere at length.
WHO CARES? COWHERD IS A TOTAL MORON!
CArdo', JJ, J. Robinson, those guy's are big WR's..... Pro-Style is not a problem from the WR standpoint..... of course, Stonumn, Hemmingway and Roundtree, as well as Odoms would be our top WR's, but those 3 freshmen would do just fine.....
Lots of comments how Harbaugh would implement a prostyle verses spread. However, that is not UM's problem. How is Harbaugh going to fix the defense short term? No one has mentioned that. This is the same coach who let Oregon put up 50 on his team. So its not like Harbaugh has any special schemes. So now were going to completely rebuild the offense while our defense remains horrible.
to be fair, everyone's letting oregon put massive points on the board. that's a well-oiled machine.
While many agree with you, my principal concern with Rich is that he's being irresponsible in the management of the defensive side of the team. Brandon's not paying him to be an offensive coordinator. There's been no improvement, and in some ways, a regression, defensively-speaking. If you bring in a new head coach, the idea is to see if someone else can manage both halves of the team responsibly. Sure, it's not going to happen next year, but a new coach cleans house and brings in a new staff and philosophy. Our defense badly needs that.
I'm fine with Rich getting another shot, provided we get to ANY bowl game, and major defensive staff changes occur.
If that happens, though, next year is a serious put up or shut up season. He'll need to win big games against good opponents or that experiment is over.
Take away garbage time against half interested defenses, what has the offense done against good teams in conference this year?
Rich needs to show this offense does more than put up gaudy stats against weak competition or in blow outs. Brandon has to know the difference between the numbers and being truly dominating.
Otherwise why hasn't he extended Rich's contract?
Everyone talks about the great stats the offense is putting up but in the last 3 games most of those stats have come after UM has found itself down 20+ pts. In both the MSU and Iowa games, the offense had a number of opportunities to put points on the board before the games got out of hand and didn't.
We are half way through the B10 season and have the 4th best offense in the nation. You are right, they haven't done anything special.
Also, I am sure Iowa and Penn State were drinking celebratory beers while the team was up 7 with 8 minutes to go. They must have just let us back in the game because they didn't care if they won or lost. Please stop using this meme. We have one of the best offenses in the nation, not just the B10, and we are halfway through the B10 season. I guess if we had the #1 offense, you would complain that we couldn't compete with NFL teams.
has torched just about everybody this year. Stanford has pitched two shutouts this year (UCLA and Washington).
It doesnt matter to me what size players Stanford's coach likes to play. OUR present coach, who will remain OUR future coach, is putting together the roster that fits his system.
I've just about switched my position to being ready for a change. The team is still young, but that's the problem. The current staff has been unable to retain a lot of players who may have been able to contribute on defense, and roster management is an inescapable part of a coach's job. A few key defections are understandable, but at this point the departures are destroying any chance Michigan has of being a solid team.
If Woolfolk comes back at 100%, which doesn't seem like anywhere near a slam dunk, then Michigan will have exactly two good Big 10 defenders and a whole slew of guys that need to make huge improvements going into next season. This can't happen every year if the team is going to be successful.
that said UConn was headed the Big Ten?
He doesn't have any inside sources he is just trying to find topics for his radio show.
To use his term, he has zero credibility on anything Michigan.
Colin Cowherd's brain cells are microscopic armadillo turds.
Cowherd drinks sunny d and rum.
Herd has said this from day 1 before he started his love fest with Rich Rod...he felt like he would be fired but he also said that he thinks it would be a mistake, stating they are 1 year away and Iowa, OSU, Wiscy, and MSU are all senior laden so next year Michigan would blow up....fwiw
Lol about 4 wks ago he was talking to someone about RR's job and how he has been a RR supporter since day one. Went on to talk about how he will win big at michigan and do really well there.. Now he says this? lol what a complete retard
I can't see them bringing anyone else in unless a disaster takes place ( other then what has already happened) I personally see them giving RR until Robinson is a SR to get this program back to the tops in the BCS. If by then it's not accomplished he's out. Everytime i read these blogs everyone wants a new coach, this guy or that guy. Our offense for the most part is insane and Robinson is a guarenteed HEISMAN winner if we can get any productivity in the next 2 yrs on the D. We need to focus on cleaning house on the Def side. Everyone! no1 is spared including special teams. Bring in a D mind, could care less how much money we pay him (god knows we have it) and start splitting the recruits up amongst the two sides. I say next yr, w/o the injury plague, we see a significant change and in 2 yrs we're riding high again as BIG BLUE IS SUPPOSSED TOO!!
How does Cowhard think we are going to give Harbaugh 3 to 4 years to implement a new system when RR has barely gotten 2 1/2? He needs to get perspective.
Rich Rod will return. He's a decent defense away from being good. Yes, he has lost a lot of games that he should have won but this offense is special. Think what it will be like next year. Robinson has to go. No more mistakes can be made when it comes to hiring the next DC, and uhh...probably better beat Purdue.
I'd like to think the Illinois and Purdue games will be competive, but I fear Wisky and OSU are going to beat the living snot out of UM this year.
Athletes like DR come along very rarely. Coaches always preach putting the ball in the hands of the playmakers. What better way to put the ball into his hands than by keeping him at quarterback. A wide receiver can be kept out of the game by a good defense. It is proving very difficult to keep DR out of a game.
IF he does lose to Illinois, I think it will be a matter of how BAD Michigan lost. If the team loses by 10 or less, I think he'll still be around after this week. If Michigan gets totally blown out, and Rod is shown to be making bonehead call after bonehead call on offense, then your friend may have a case.
Ann Arbor is cool and all but who in their right mind would leave Palo Alto CA for Michigan? And leave a successful program for M with it's bunch of entitled clueless-about-how-teams-win fans?
On the line of pessimism among the MSM, Rittenberg was on Scott Van Pelt Show today and was asked if Michigan would beat Illinois:
"Absolutely not. No way."
Then went on to say that these are two teams headed in totally different directions. I wouldn't put him in the group of professional Rich bashers either.
Saturday would be a serious win both on the field and as it pertains to perception.
I have my doubts Harbaugh will do what Rod did in year one and try and fit a square peg in a round hole. He'll work with what players he's given. At least, I would think/hope he's smart enough to see what happened in 2008.
Harbaugh would get 10 of 11 starters back on O. RichRod lost his 2 starting WRs, Michigan's all time leader in passing yards and rushing yards, and the #1 pick in the draft that just happened to anchor the offensive line. It would make sense that it is much easier to transition with 1 new starter as opposed to half the offense. The two situations will be nothing alike. Nothing.