College Football Nerds pick Wisconsin

Submitted by MoCarrBo on September 16th, 2019 at 11:31 AM

However, not really confident. They have never been big on Shea Patterson or Gattis which i find concerning since both were SEC guys. 

 

https://youtu.be/2R9mosOsT4M

 

 

MGoStrength

September 16th, 2019 at 3:19 PM ^

Their stuff is based on analytics and probabilities. 

There isn't a large enough sample size for 2019's rosters to analyze, so they're basically comparing their projections from last year to what they've seen so far this year.  Until Wiscy plays someone with a pulse there isn't anything worthwhile to analyze.

JHumich

September 16th, 2019 at 5:36 PM ^

Teams are so different, and there are so many variables year to year and then even week to week that it's very difficult to produce much that is quantifiably useful. Fun to play around with, but not great for making predictions.

GOMBLOG

September 16th, 2019 at 11:53 AM ^

It’s like we’ve seen this before - come out after the bye week uninspired, get behind early, then forced to open things up to mount a comeback, fall short and then have everyone complain that Harbaugh should’ve been running a quick strike spread the defense out offense the whole game.  

DrMantisToboggan

September 16th, 2019 at 12:15 PM ^

I know you're just an ignorant troll and I shouldn't respond, but Jim is 3-1 at Michigan following the bye week. The only loss was the 2017 MSU JOK/Rain game.

In the 3 games where we had a healthy starting QB entering the game:

  • Win: 29-26 at Minnesota
  • Win: 41-8 vs. Illinois
  • Win: 42-7 vs. Penn State

Setting aside the year our starting QB broke his back, we've come out of the bye week ready to play and won every game.

MGoStrength

September 16th, 2019 at 3:25 PM ^

This game will be won in the trenches.  Whoever controls the line of scrimmage will win.  Wiscy generally has a good o-line and RB, but lacks WRs and a QB to get them the ball.  Cephus has looked good so far.  UM has not been great stopping the run and has struggled to get their offense going.  If both teams continue to do what they've done it's an easy win for Wiscy.  My hunch is UM will show a bit more offensively and tighten things up because they know they have to win.  But, will they do enough to shut down Taylor & Cephus and to score some points of their own?  They sure have the talent to do so, but it remains to be seen if they can put it into action.

WorldwideTJRob

September 16th, 2019 at 1:10 PM ^

That is a flat out lie! 4 of our best players on defense from the previous season are playing in the NFL. Our 2 best RB’s from last season are gone. We are still trying to get a new offense rolling that we didn’t have last year. Needless to say a bunch of things have changed from last season, and that doesn’t even equate for the Wisconsin side of things. 

 

I thought we learned our lesson during the 2017 season when everybody and their mother proclaimed since we rolled PSU in 2016, we were a lock to beat them on the road that year. How did that work out for us? 

TrueBlue2003

September 16th, 2019 at 3:20 PM ^

Yeah, I don't know how many times we have to go through this exercise before people realize: 1) these teams go through a lot of personnel turnover both amongst the players and the coaches and 2) home field his a huge advantage at a lot of B1G stadiums (the home teams have DOMINATED in each of the last three years in the PSU series and each of the last two years in the Wisconsin series which meant the outcomes swung wildly from year to year).

MGoStrength

September 16th, 2019 at 3:31 PM ^

We had the d-line to handle PSU in 2016 and 2018.  In 2017 our d-line was still developing.  My hunch is the same could be true in 2019.  But, PSU also doesn't have McSorely or Barkley.  Ford, Cain, & Slade are all good, but are 1-2 years away from their potential.

Blastardz

September 16th, 2019 at 11:41 PM ^

That was the most devastating sporting event for me to date.  I purchased all of which was the revenge tour and was let down immensely. If we lose to Wisconsin next weekend, this season is a bust.  It'll never take hold and the team will have various random highlights with a whopping 5 losses on the season.  God I hope I'm wrong.

njvictor

September 16th, 2019 at 11:38 AM ^

Josh Ross needs to have the game of his life and Donovan Jeter needs to live up to the hype. I'm confident in our secondary to stop the passing game, but we NEED to stop Taylor. Maybe even stack with Uche

lilpenny1316

September 16th, 2019 at 11:38 AM ^

Keyword: "Were"

Also, I thought this was Connelly and all the other number guys who don't understand the different between blowing out two tomato cans and beating two bowls teams, one of which had the second longest winning streak in the nation.

Bodogblog

September 16th, 2019 at 12:11 PM ^

Good teams blow out bad teams, that's what happens.  So we've had several downfield passes that were "this close" to being completed, whether a WR didn't quite pull it in or Patterson just missed the throw by a yard or two.  Really good teams have QBs who hit those more consistently, or WRs that pull them down.  

Two things on this: 1) Army isn't viewed by analytical models as a good team, because they don't have explosive plays (which are a big part of the math for most teams), and they go for it consistently on 4th down.  On the latter I think most of the models have 4th down conversion as random, where for Army it's pretty consistently successful. 

Now Patterson has been hampered by an injury, so he can improve his accuracy a touch and the models won't have had that accounted for.  And Michigan can add an NFL WR like DPJ who may make some of those grabs, and they won't have that fully reflected either.  So there are reasons Michigan could still be very good, despite the statistical models not being huge fans. 

SP+ has Michigan with the #1 defense.  And... the #74 Offense.  I don't believe the latter will hold through the year, they should be much better than that. 

Bo248

September 16th, 2019 at 12:21 PM ^

I am a bluiever.  No one picked Wiscy for anything.  We’ve had a couple of stir-the-slag-out-of-the-crucible games.

Believe.  We’ve had to harden our hearts and mettle with Army, we know the tools are there.

Wiscy has won big, over two nothings = overconfidence.

Close game, good guys prevail 17- 12.

Go Blue

Bodogblog

September 16th, 2019 at 12:39 PM ^

I agree with the mettle part.  Analytics can't count this (unless it's inherent in the numbers), but I put some stock into that.  At least for the Defense.  Michigan was tested heavily by a bonebreaking Army offense and came up very well - they took a lot of confidence from that.  Wiscy is a team that wants to run on you and wear you down, and Michigan just faced a team that was perfect for prepping for that aspect of football.  Chinstraps have been buckled for the Wolverines.  Have they for Wisconsin? 

I believe in analytics and star ratings because I think it would be foolish not to.  But people can't overlook that football is a game of collision and toughness.  I think Michigan's defense comes out unafraid of the physical aspect of playing Wisconsin - they gained a lot of confidence for that with their effort against Army. 

bluefanindc

September 16th, 2019 at 11:40 AM ^

This game could go either way. Also, Don Brown has had success vs their offense since he's been here(2-1). Take away Taylor, and make Coan beat them. Defense is still a top notch unit.

Gentleman Squirrels

September 16th, 2019 at 11:42 AM ^

I expected to watch this and see some bias against Michigan, but honestly they did a good job of breaking down the stats and ignoring outliers against Army. I can see where they're coming from with their prediction. That being said, if Michigan gets on the same page on offense, that changes the entire game and we should have enough to win. I expect this game to come down to a less than 1 touchdown victory with either side with the victor coming up with a big defensive stop late in the 4th.

cp4three2

September 16th, 2019 at 11:43 AM ^

Seeing as how Harbaugh hasn't really been competitive on the road against ranked teams (his only win at M is last year's MSU game and the only close loss was the JT was short game), it makes total sense to pick Wisconsin. 

Harbaugh's record on the road in general, even going back to Stanford, is pretty awful.