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October 20th, 2012 at 11:12 PM
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Ziff72
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Borges Gripes

I'm relieved we won but this game just angered the hell out of me.   Bitching about the OC is so cliche, but these seem so obvious.   Can anyone disagree with the following?

 

1.  2 years ago Roundtree made a living off a play born off the sheer terror of our qb's legs.   MSU had all 11 guys in the screen on several occasions.   Why can't we try a play that had guys open for 15 yards?   One time just try it please.   I. Lewis was begging to get burned today.  They were swarming Denard.  I didn't see any reverses, or counter action to take advantage of that fact.  

2. We have a throwback screen that works like a charm.   We ran it today for an easy 20 yards.   Are we saying they never gave us a similar defensive look that we couldn't try it again?   When a play is that open you have to try it again or put a wrinkle or variation and burn their adjustment,  to never come back to it when we are struggling is mind boggling.  Same for the screen play that the MSU guy made a great play on.   We had 3 blockers and a ton of space run it again.

3.  Get Funchess involved.  WTF?  We have a weapon and we just let him waste away on the sidelines.  He's a match up problem.  Get him involved.   

4.  Maybe this is on Denard but we have to get a quick screen audible installed asap.  Did you see that play at midfiled when they blitzed 2 db's off the edge and we just ran right into it? Just toss it to the edge.  Indiana made MSU pay with bubble screens all half before they adjusted.  We couldn't explore that at all as they A gapped blitzed all game?

This gameplan was very infuriating.  

Denard/Borges Cuisine was like a rice cake with no water today.    Pretty bland and hard to swallow. 

 

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October 20th, 2012 at 11:16 PM | Both OC's called awful games (Score:5 Normal)
UMxWolverines
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Both OC's called awful games today. MSU has had that problem all year though.

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October 21st, 2012 at 2:09 AM | Disagree.  MSU called a good (Score:3 Normal)
CLord
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Disagree.  MSU called a good game.  Maxwell completed one bomb, but missed on several.  I have to agree with the original poster that, playing at home, with our senior QB, to have that kind of offensive output on  day we should have steamrolled, was indeed frustrating.  If anything, this game once again proved that Narduzzi > Borges.  Relieved as hell that we won this game?  Absolutely, but you can thank the defense for that.  Queasy about our offense's performance akin to how I felt after the VT game?  Yes.

October 21st, 2012 at 1:20 PM | Narduzzi is their DC. Their (Score:0 Offtopic)
October 21st, 2012 at 2:26 PM | 2 cents: I took that as their (Score:2)
thisisme08
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2 cents: I took that as their DC comes up with a better gameplan than our OC for the 2nd (under Borges) year in a row.  

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October 21st, 2012 at 2:20 PM | The RCMB (Score:-1 Normal)
October 20th, 2012 at 11:18 PM | Title should be (Score:5 Normal)
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"Gripes ABOUT Borges." Some folks will click through thinking Borges was griping about something. This way it is more hits, but you don't want to get them this way.

October 20th, 2012 at 11:29 PM | This is correct, I clicked (Score:5 Normal)
Dominick's_Lunch
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This is correct, I clicked thinking Borges was complaining about something. May you suffer a thousand indignities.

October 20th, 2012 at 11:31 PM | Yup (Score:4 Normal)
Saint_in_Blue
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I totally just did that. I thought I was going to see a post game presser video/transcript of Gorgeous Al complaining about something. But instead all I got were snowflakes.

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October 20th, 2012 at 11:18 PM | I agree to a certain extent. (Score:5 Normal)
FreddieMercuryHayes
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I agree to a certain extent.  It's very frustrating at some points that Borges isn't seemingly adjusting.  But in his defense, this is not the offense he's an expert in.  Perhaps he's sticking more with what he knows.  And honestly, if the D is going to play at the level they currently are consistantly, then the team can lean on them.  Borges stuck decently to the game plan, and we rolled up over 300 yards on a top-10 national D.  And we won.  Hopefully we'll see more offensive adjustments, audibles, checks, and such when Borges' offense gets fully rolled out with his players in the next few years.

October 21st, 2012 at 2:29 PM | Offense he's not an expert in is a copout (Score:-1 Flamebait)
October 20th, 2012 at 11:20 PM | (No subject) (Score:0 Normal)
October 21st, 2012 at 12:57 AM | it's snowing jerks (Score:2 Normal)
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How dare he waste board space with this tripe that nobody wants to discuss! I mean, it's not like it's the most commented thread of the night other than the Night Games open thread. Oh wait...

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October 20th, 2012 at 11:20 PM | Borges wasn't perfect but (Score:5 Normal)
Brown Bear
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Borges wasn't perfect but let's be honest, Denard wasn't exactly on today. He made a lot of the play calls look bad due to bad reads and poor throws. Lets also not forget that staee has a pretty stout defense and played well. We won't face another defense that strong until our bowl game.

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October 20th, 2012 at 11:37 PM | Yeah (Score:5 Normal)
funkywolve
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A couple throws that stick out to me are 1) the lob to Funchess in the endzone.  Great call - split your 6'4" tighte end out so a db is covering him.   Denard just underthrew the ball. 2) I think it was the throw to Gallon (?) in the endzone.  Gallon was open but the throw was behind him - whether Gallon should have sat in that spot I don't know.  Both of those had touchdown written all over them.

October 20th, 2012 at 11:41 PM | There was the pass to Gardner (Score:5 Normal)
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There was the pass to Gardner that he dropped/broken up that was underthrown, the Roundtree miscommunication on a corner route in endzone when he was wide open. It's easy to blame Borges but if a few of those plays are made this game is completely different.

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October 20th, 2012 at 11:46 PM | Gardner should have made that (Score:4 Normal)
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Gardner should have made that catch. No two ways about it.



The Funchess and Gallon plays could have been a bit sharper, but they were decent. Funchess was exceptionally well defended. Gallon had a shot at it. Eh.

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October 20th, 2012 at 11:49 PM | He should have but how many (Score:5 Normal)
Brown Bear
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He should have but how many times has Denard underthrown receivers open running deep? Too many times but I've accepted that wont change. God bless him though.

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October 21st, 2012 at 12:41 AM | Yeah it was definitely (Score:5 Normal)
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Yeah it was definitely underthrown, but two hands on a ball means it should be caught for sure.

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October 21st, 2012 at 2:21 PM | Tough one (Score:1 Normal)
mgoballoon
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but maybe catchable.

October 21st, 2012 at 11:59 AM | Gardner is in his first year (Score:2 Normal)
Logan88
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Gardner is in his first year of playing WR in organized football. Denard has been a QB since high school. I'm willing to cut Gardner a little more slack for not performing up to BCS level WR standards than I am Denard missing throws to wide open players.

Devin had beaten his guy badly and was open for an easy TD but Denard underthrew that pass so badly that Devin had to turn around, stop and wait for the pass to (eventually) get there. In the meantime, he knows that the DB who he beat and possibly a safety are on the way ready to lay the hurt.

Fault allocation on that play: 75% Denard / 20% Devin / 5% Cruel and Uncaring Universe

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October 21st, 2012 at 12:34 PM | Nah, thats 100% on Gardner. (Score:1)
coastal blue
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Nah, thats 100% on Gardner. That should have been a catch every single time, I'm still not sure how he dropped it. 

October 21st, 2012 at 12:38 PM | He usually (Score:1)
mgoballoon
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makes those catches.

October 21st, 2012 at 12:03 AM | I can't be the only one (Score:4 Normal)
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I can't be the only one thrilled that we finally have a player to do this with. It's been so long. I loved it. That call was no hesitation. They didn't try to disguise it as anything else. It was just, "Here, we're doing what you think we're doing. Try to stop it." A better throw, and it would've worked, too.

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October 21st, 2012 at 1:21 AM | There was an MSU linebacker coming from the other direction (Score:3 Normal)
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so Denard threw it to the opening.  I don't have a problem with that.  It didn't get picked off.  A better decision would have been to lob the ball over the linebacker that was threatening the bullet passing lane, but that's a bang-bang reaction.

October 21st, 2012 at 8:58 AM | It was slightly behind Gallon (Score:2)
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It was slightly behind Gallon but after rewatching the game, I think he should have caught it.  

 

October 21st, 2012 at 11:17 AM | It was hard to tell on TV but (Score:2)
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It was hard to tell on TV but it looked like he had to throw further to his (Denard's) left in order to avoid the official who was standing right in the passing lane.

October 21st, 2012 at 2:21 PM | Not much (Score:0 Offtopic)
October 21st, 2012 at 11:57 AM | Play calling ... (Score:2 Normal)
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1st half and 2nd half until msu scored:

    1st down  -   11 runs & 2 passes  

    2nd down   -  7 runs & 4 passes

    3rd down  -  2 runs & 7 passes

1st and 2nd down 75% rushing plays .... and here is first down run yardage in the first half:  0, 0, 3, -3, 4, 38, -6, 4  not like we shouldn't have mixed things up a little bit?

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October 20th, 2012 at 11:21 PM | Second game this year we've (Score:5 Normal)
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Second game this year we've failed to score a touchdown. Just sayin.

October 21st, 2012 at 2:22 PM | Second game (Score:0 Normal)
October 21st, 2012 at 2:36 PM | Should expect more though (Score:1 Normal)
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With the talent that we have on offense, we should be able to score a TD regardless of the opponent.  We have a senior QB who is breaking records left and right, and a junior RB that ran for 1000 yds last season.  We should really be expecting more out of the offense than FGs.  Even against a good defense.  If we play Oregon in the Rose Bowl and give up 30+ points on defense, are we really going to say "oh, they're a great offense" so that's OK.  Doubt it.

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October 21st, 2012 at 4:34 PM | I agree that we should expect (Score:3 Normal)
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I agree that we should expect to score TDs on everyone.  But when Denard misses a wide-open Roundtree in the endzone, Gardner drops a 40-yard pass that hits both hands, and then Denard throws behind a wide-open Gallon in the endzone . . . why is that all the fault of the OC?

I love Denard to pieces, and will miss him terribly, but let's face it, he's an inconsistent passer. He can throw a 20-yard strike to Dileo in tight coverage on one hand and then overthrow his tailback on a screen.  It seems like we never know what we're going to get when he drops back to pass.

October 20th, 2012 at 11:21 PM | Clock management and (Score:5 Normal)
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Clock management and Offense-In-General were pretty horrible today, minus game-winning drive. I don't understand why the offense chokes out against good defenses. It seems like the gameplan when going against a competant D is to run straight at it and get stuffed again and again.

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October 20th, 2012 at 11:30 PM | We've played three of the (Score:5 Normal)
stephenrjking
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We've played three of the best defenses in the country, to be fair.



But our clock management has been very disappointing all year. Just breaks down at certain points.

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October 20th, 2012 at 11:52 PM | I know we're playing stellar (Score:4 Normal)
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I know we're playing stellar defenses, and that's why it's so frustrating to watch us run straight at the line again and again. I'm no coach or coordinator, but it seems like running at the outside or doing some short passes would produce vastly better results than trying to find a hole in a wall of jerseys.

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October 21st, 2012 at 12:54 AM | Denard (Score:5 Normal)
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He does really need to hit the open receivers and not under throw them.
Just sayin.

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October 21st, 2012 at 2:23 PM | Cant argue (Score:0 Flamebait)
October 21st, 2012 at 2:11 PM | Funny thing though (Score:0 Offtopic)
October 21st, 2012 at 2:16 PM | Running on the outside didn't (Score:2)
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Running on the outside didn't really seem to help very much against MSU.  They only got to the edge once, IIRC.  The other times they tried, they took losses.

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October 20th, 2012 at 11:52 PM | *competent. Stupid English. (Score:2)
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*competent. Stupid English.

Michigan: 903–315–36 (Best in NCAA)
vs Ohio State: 58-44-6
vs Notre Dame: 23-16-1
vs MSU:  68-32-5
vs B1G: 522-197-24
vs SEC:  20-8-1
vs PAC 12: 48-24-1
vs Big 12: 10-5-1<

October 20th, 2012 at 11:22 PM | We won, right?   Denard (Score:2 Normal)
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We won, right? 

 Denard played well enough to get that win, but don't forget that he might be missing reads/check downs/etc as opposed to Borges just not putting in the correct play.

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October 20th, 2012 at 11:27 PM | There is no might about it. (Score:4 Normal)
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There is no might about it. Denard definitely did but as Denard also does, he made a play when it mattered most. Thank god we won.

October 20th, 2012 at 11:22 PM | wasn't happy with the (Score:2)
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wasn't happy with the offensive playcalling, but we won! win is a win. especially against a rival.

October 20th, 2012 at 11:23 PM | Playing not to lose... (Score:5 Normal)
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...I get it. But wtf? 18 zone reads in a row against a defense that is built to read it is no way to gameplan. When it was effective was when the mix included first down passing plays or misdirection runs. And that was not often. "Eventually Denard is going to get loose" works against many a team, but not Spartina. 

Maybe the plan was to play it safe since the D was hanging tough and then explode later but that was hard on the eyes. Still, WIN!

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October 21st, 2012 at 12:35 AM | You know (Score:3 Normal)
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The last feller 'round hea used that word, they got theyself banned. Banned good.

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October 20th, 2012 at 11:24 PM | Frankly, say whatever you (Score:2 Normal)
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Frankly, say whatever you want to say about Borges, but we managed to get it done. In my mind, that's ultimately all that matters. Could/should this game have been 24/10, 35/10, 38-10? Sure. Yes. Who cares. An ugly win is a win, take it and move on to the next. Borges is not great against MSU. At least this one is in the correct column. Go blue.

October 21st, 2012 at 12:23 AM | The credit for the W resides with Mattison (Score:5 Normal)
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How many times is 12 points enough to win against MSU? Not often. In our last five we have allowed 13, 6, 13, 0, and 10 points. Mattison uber alles

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October 21st, 2012 at 1:28 AM | Nitpick, it's 13, 13, 13, 0, and 10 (Score:3 Normal)
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Had we held ND to 6 we would have beaten them in OT

October 21st, 2012 at 6:55 PM | 7 of the 13 against UMass (Score:2 Normal)
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7 of the 13 against UMass were on a Pick-6, so, not given up by Defense.

October 21st, 2012 at 6:17 PM | You're right.  And I'm not (Score:1)
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You're right.  And I'm not just saying that because you're hot.  Really, I'm not.

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