Article with compiled mock NBA drafts for Houston and Diabate

Submitted by Bosch on May 23rd, 2022 at 11:01 AM

Subject line says it all.

https://www.mlive.com/wolverines/2022/05/where-michigans-moussa-diabate-caleb-houstan-stand-in-nba-mock-drafts.html?utm_campaign=wolverines_sf&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook

Summary:

ESPN: Houstan (30)

SI.com: Houstan (34), Diabaté (44)

Bleacher Report: Houstan (46)

The Athletic: Houstan (36)

Yahoo: Houstan (44)

USA Today: none

CBS Sports (three)*: none

The Ringer*: none

SB Nation*: none

*first-round only

1989 UM GRAD

May 23rd, 2022 at 11:08 AM ^

If I'm the parent of either one of these guys, I'm advising them to come back for another year.

For years, the lottery has been littered with sophomores who improved their stock dramatically by coming back for a second year...after having been projected as a late 1st or 2nd round pick after their freshman year.

Just in this year's draft alone, you have Ivey, Murray, Mathurin and Davis all projected to go in the top 10. 

In the last ten years, we can point to Burke, Stauskas, Franz, etc. at Michigan.  

The increase in guaranteed money has to be worth delaying getting paid by one year.  

schreibee

May 23rd, 2022 at 3:40 PM ^

Well be that as it may, 1989grad submitted a fairly deep list of potential comps who returned for a 2nd season & greatly improved their draft stock - and therefore their guaranteed $.

So even if he can't or won't admit his Fandom compelled him to compile the list - he ain't wrong! 

TrueBlue2003

May 23rd, 2022 at 10:13 PM ^

As mentioned below, there's no context.  That's a list of like 8 guys and goes back 10 years.  One would need to do a more comprehensive analysis of all those who left and those who stayed.

But even then, we also have no counterfactuals.  i.e. no way of knowing whether guys like Ivey or Davis or Burke might have improved even more had they left and played professionally for a year instead of at the college level.

1989 UM GRAD

May 23rd, 2022 at 4:20 PM ^

Nope.  Not influenced by my fandom.

I'm not saying we are better without Diabete, but there's no doubt he's not a perfect fit next to Hunter...and I think this is Hunter's team this coming year.

I don't have any data, but isn't the conventional wisdom that most college basketball players make their biggest jump between their freshman and sophomore years?  There has to be something to the sentiment that the HS to college transition is a challenge...in terms of the speed of the game, the size/athleticism of the opponents, learning the intracacies of the plays, etc.

If Houstan can even out his home/away shooting splits, add size/strength, and show some additional ability to create his own shots, he could easily be a lottery pick in a year.  I'm also guessing a sophomore Houstan would have even more of a green light to shoot almost at will.  He'd have a significant chance to showcase his skills on a team that would be competitive...and is often in the spotlight.  

mackbru

May 23rd, 2022 at 12:02 PM ^

Good lord, you essentially accuse the previous poster of a priviledge-y take while making one yourself. It's not about "instant gratification" for most NBA prospects, who overwhelmingly come from modest to very modest means. They are often the first in their family to get a chance to "make it," and many of them feel overwhelming pressure to do so -- especially given the chance of injury or regression. It's just not about "kids these days." It's about living in the real world.

maizeonblueaction

May 23rd, 2022 at 12:40 PM ^

Yeah, it's super interesting. For every guy where you could make a case that you could make $3 million a year v. $1 million a year by waiting, you have to consider the "discount rate" of the delay.

We don't know everyone's situation, but imagine if Kwity Paye were a basketball player and had Diabate's situation; we all know he grew up as a poor refugee, so getting $1 million right now is HUGE, compared to a more speculative $3 million in a year. I don't think anyone would begrudge him that.

1989 UM GRAD

May 23rd, 2022 at 4:23 PM ^

I'm not sure where you studied economics or accounting, but there's not even a close call between making $1 million a year right now...or waiting just one year to make $3 million. 

Even a jump from a 2nd round pick to a middle/late 1st round pick is worth millions of dollars in the first contract...let alone the additional opportunity to make and stay on the team that you get when you're a 1st round pick.  

WorldwideTJRob

May 23rd, 2022 at 8:24 PM ^

But you’re discounting the fact that the $1 million is there for the taking now and the $3 million is hypothetical. Most people will take the guaranteed cash now. Let’s face it these kids work their whole lives to get to this point. So in a ton of cases if they will hear their name called on draft night, they will opt for that sooner rather than later.

TrueBlue2003

May 23rd, 2022 at 10:17 PM ^

If a player starts his rookie contract earlier, he then gets his first real contract a year earlier and those are much bigger than $3M.  So starting the clock on those earlier is likely to lead to higher career earnings, all else equal.  Gotta take that into consideration.

Mr Miggle

May 24th, 2022 at 7:47 AM ^

When you frame it as getting significantly more money by waiting a year or taking $1million it seems simple. But there's a not insignificant chance that less money is on the table a year from now. Make it a 50-50 proposition instead and it's obvious the player should go now.

Injuries happen. Not everyone improves. And improving a little may make your draft stock lower. Meanwhile, you also have to consider where you can improve the most and it may not be in college. 

maizeonblueaction

May 24th, 2022 at 8:39 PM ^

Right, and I'm not saying it's "rational", all things being equal, but it's like the below commenter said, if you don't have much money, do you take guaranteed money now that's significantly less than what you could potentially make, or take more of a chance that you could double your money or more down the line? If you feel secure and it's just the equivalent of winning the lottery, OK, wait, but if you really need the money, then it's a different decision.

NotADuck

May 23rd, 2022 at 2:40 PM ^

I think the prospect of being able to focus solely on basketball instead of having to deal with all the BS of being a student at the same time is extremely attractive to these kids.  It's probably the most attractive part.

They'd be getting paid to work on their game, even if its only in the G League.  No other distractions.  It would certainly attract me, especially if I felt my future is in the NBA, not in an office somewhere.

schreibee

May 23rd, 2022 at 3:49 PM ^

Before NIL that was a very sound point - I now submit a person drafted at 30 (where Houstan is presumably going) has a pretty good chance to meet or beat the NBA guarantee for that slot with NIL. 

And for a person drafted in the 2nd rd? I guaran-damn-tee it!

Now, there has been talk Moussa isn't eligible for NIL, as a foreign student. And also talk they're addressing that technicality. So I can't speak to his needs.

But I would bet Chris Hinton, for example, lost $ entering into the draft. You have to readjust your rationale for current circumstances Mack. 

WorldwideTJRob

May 23rd, 2022 at 8:32 PM ^

Both players are “foreign students” so that plight would apply to each young man. Also, who else on the team is making serious money through NIL besides Hunter? I think the hope from all of us would be that the cash would be flowing in through the program but from the outside it doesn’t look like the case. Furthermore, you still didn’t dispel the notion of having the opportunity to be around NBA players, have access to their medical and training staffs, and work on your game without restrictions might be worth more than the NIL money to some guys.

echoWhiskey

May 23rd, 2022 at 11:24 AM ^

Jordan Poole says hello. Also, I suspect Dickinson had a better chance of getting drafted last year than this year.

I don't know, maybe you're right, but picking a couple of recent anecdotes doesn't convince me. Is there real data to back up that claim?  I suspect it's a mix; some players improve their stock and some slide down for one reason or another.  

UNCWolverine

May 23rd, 2022 at 11:45 AM ^

I kinda feel that this is what's going on. Deep down he might realize that he's not as good as he always thought. So when he had one great shooting workout with OKC and they promised to spend the last of their 3 first round picks on him he decided to cash that in now.

Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

maizeonblueaction

May 24th, 2022 at 8:41 PM ^

Yeah, and if I'm Houstan and certain I'll be a ton better next year and improve my stock, by all means wait, but if he thinks me might be about the same, just older, get your money now. Worst case, he goes and does his "day job" sooner than he thought by flaming out of the league, but still has a cool couple million bucks in the bank.

Blue In NC

May 23rd, 2022 at 1:18 PM ^

Holy cow that's going back a long way.  Plus way different circumstances as Crawford was basically forced out by the NCAA's insistence to focus on the wrong things. He almost didn't have a chance to stay and no one could have seen the long NBA career he would enjoy.

Blanchard was a very good player but never really a great athlete although you could potentially use him as an example where coming back didn't help him.  But that was so long ago...

TrueBlue2003

May 23rd, 2022 at 2:20 PM ^

That's the whole point though. 

Maybe Crawford had a long career because he was able to develop as a young player without the constraints of school.  And yes, Blanchard was probably never going to be an NBA athlete (and to the point of Crawford, could have hurt his chances by staying in college where practice time is limited) so he probably should have taken money while his stock was high.

For every guy like Jaden Ivey that improves his stock (and who's to say he wouldn't have improved even more in the pros this past year?), there might be two guys that come back and stagnate and become less attractive to the NBA because they're older and no longer projectable.

If you have a team willing to draft you, you probably need to go because that's going to be your best opportunity to fully dedicate yourself to your profession.  That team has committed to investing a great deal in you.

But would be interested in seeing a comprehensive analysis and not just cherry picking some guys that improved their stock.