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If you want a full Michigan Stadium/Crisler/Yost. The state government has set a path to full reopening based on vaccination rates:

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At 65% they'll lift indoor capacity limits but still require social distancing. At 70% it's go time. If you haven't gotten vaccinated yet there are walk-in opportunities all over the state. Ken Haddad's twitter feed is the most comprehensively updated vaccine availability notification device I've run across.

Also, if you took advantage of Ohio's Yokel Factor and got vaccinated south of the border because of increased availability you probably want to tell your primary care physician.

[After THE JUMP: playoff expansion inevitable]

Playoff expansion coming. For all but a very limited subset of college football programs, the playoff is a total failure. That subset has dominated playoff bids, contributing to a talent concentration at the top that has made the Alabama/Clemson/OSU/Oklahoma axis increasing like Kansas in B12 basketball: ordained from the preseason to the postseason. That is massively boring.

Worse, the playoff has obliterated the perceived value of bowl games. Now you've got the Rose Bowl—when it's not hosting a semifinal—maintaining some of its old aura and a bunch of games stars are more than willing to skip. Michigan suffering multiple opt-outs before a "New Years Six" game against Florida State is evidence enough of the bowls' dimming prestige.

So:

Concerned that their four-team product has been harmed by the dominance of a select few teams from the same region, FBS commissioners are seriously considering expanding the College Football Playoff. And while it’s long been assumed that any change to the format would be modest, several influential decision-makers are suddenly open to a playoff system that skips past eight teams and into the double digits.

“I sense 12 teams is building support,” one Power 5 athletic director said.

Per Andy Staples and Stewart Mandel, 6, 8, 10, 12, and 16 team models are under consideration. There are the usual mutterings about how the current format still has majority support, but this is a world where BCS spokesman Bill Hancock spent a decade decrying the very idea of a playoff and smoothly transitioned into being the spokesman for the playoff. If they're talking about it, and it's public enough to result in long Athletic articles, it's happening.

And, fine, okay. The current system is the worst of both worlds. I used to be opposed to a large playoff because I thought it would take away from the urgency of college football's regular season. I did not imagine that a small one would be even worse, but it is. Woof:

Of the 28 available spots in the Playoff so far, Clemson, Alabama, Ohio State and Oklahoma have filled 20.

Expanding it to 12 would still reward making the top four heavily; it also wouldn't mean 80% of the Power 5 is playing for a bowl no one cares about anymore before the season starts.

Also: home games! (Probably.)

This is a lot of strikeouts. A record-setting number, in fact:

Michigan won 1-0 in a flashback to softball of a couple decades ago.

People describe DeVante' Jones. First, DeVante' Jones:

“I feel like a lot of people have got it confused,” he said. “Last year, I was forced to score more than pass. That’s what my team need to win. I think I can do it all — pass, score, rebound at a high level, play defense, do all the little things — but more than anything, I’m a pass-first point guard. That’s my mindset. That’s what I’m going there to do.”

I was one of those people who got it confused, overlooking Jones's sophomore year and the top-50 assist rate he had during it. He still took a lot of shots, but at Michigan he's not going to be the only guy with any efficiency to him.

Various coaches on Jones:

“He’s an unassuming tough guy,” Howard said. “He never gets rattled. He’s always under control. No moment is too big for him. He never loses his composure. He’s a tough, gritty kid without letting you know that he’s a tough, gritty kid.” …

Howard’s only knocks were that Jones isn’t particularly explosive or athletic. “He’s not a ‘blow-by’ point guard,” Howard said. Instead, Jones can score from anywhere on the court, gets to the foul line often, and shoots 85 percent on free throws. Howard sees some of former Villanova point guard -- and national Player of the Year -- Jalen Brunson in Jones’ game.

Goodbye, Franz. Alas, Franz Wagner's delayed NBA draft announcement was not because he was being held in his brother's basement until he agreed to a return. I mean, probably. You never know.

From a basketball perspective, this is the move for me to make right now. (Plus, I mean, if Moe can play in the league — obviously they’ll take anyone.)

Wagner's headed off to the lottery, and we get to console ourselves with this:

If you're interested in a DX-style strengths/weaknesses video here you go:

All of that is on point. Sam Vecenie has Wagner going 11th overall to the Pacers:

Franz Wagner | 6-9 forward | 19 years old, sophomore | Michigan

The player: Wagner is an interesting 3-and-D prospect with real size at 6-9. His movement is terrific, with great lateral quickness. He can guard a variety of perimeter players on the ball, but his off-ball instincts are absolutely spectacular. He knows exactly where to be positionally, and his reactivity to get deflections is outstanding. The big question revolves around his shot, which comes and goes far too often. Sometimes, he looks like a legit 40 percent 3-point shooter in the future. Other times, he looks like a 30 percent guy and totally non-confident in the jumper mechanics. Whichever one he is will determine his career. If he becomes that high-level shooter, he’ll be a very high-level role player. If he doesn’t, he’s more in the vein of his brother, Moritz, as an end-of-the-rotation guy.

The fit: The Pacers need someone like this within their core, a defense-first wing who can pass and be relatively low-usage for wings such as Caris LeVert and T.J. Warren to focus on scoring. The team has also struggled a lot on defense in the minutes and games that Myles Turner has missed this season. This is another excellent fit on draft night if the Pacers end up with Wagner because he really fits from a positional perspective rotationally as well as a team-need perspective.

Would I watch an NBA team starting Franz Wagner and Caris LeVert? Maybe!

Other names of note from Vecenie's mock draft:

  • #6 Scottie Barnes, which vexes me because Wagner stuffed him in a trash can
  • #8 Moses Moody, who was just a nice recruit ranked around 50th when Michigan lost out on him to Arkansas
  • #19 Cam Thomas
  • #23 Ayo Dosunmu
  • #30 Aaron Henry (ed: ?)
  • #31 Bones Hyland
  • #33 Josh Christopher
  • #35 Isaiah Todd
  • #38 Luka Garza
  • #41 Greg Brown
  • #54 Kofi Cockburn

Kofi at 54 is relatively good news for Dickinson's longevity in college. (Only relative because despite that draft position Cockburn was two-and-out at Illinois.)

The suit. The backstory on Kwity Paye's NFL draft suit:

And also the extraordinary backstory on Paye himself:

Soldiers had captured her cousin and taken a machete to his head, leaving a gash across his forehead and a pool of blood spilling out, then strapped a tire to his body to burn him alive. They would have completed their grisly task, if not for one soldier who'd recognized him and considered him a friend. He was a nice man, Cyrus; he'd become something of a favorite son around the camp, and that reputation was his salvation. He shouted the soldier's name. Help me! The soldier ran to him, pleading with the other soldiers. I know this kid; he's like my son. The soldier spared Cyrus' life, then rushed him to the Red Cross. Kwity remembers that now, always. How the simple act of being kind, of being a friend, saved Cyrus' life. How the simple act of Kwity being kind, of being a friend, might yet change his.

"Make sure you always be respectful; make sure you always put your best foot forward," Kwity says, reciting the mantra Agnes passed down to him. "You never know how that person may help."

That is a story his mom passed down to him; his mom is now retired.

Maybe us someday. The Knicks are back! This is extremely relevant!

When we get hurt, we put up walls. It’s human nature. We remember what it feels like to be vulnerable—to care about something so much that you extend your arms to embrace it—and what it feels like when that decision backfires. We don’t want to feel like that again. So up go the walls, getting taller with each blow and bruise, brick by brick. Eventually, we can’t reach the thing we cared about anymore. But it can’t reach us, either.

The Knicks have spent the better part of two decades giving fans like me reasons to stack bricks. Between 2000 and 2020, chairman James L. Dolan cycled through eight front-office leaders, 14 head coaches, at least that many prospective saviors who didn’t pan out on the floor, and a frankly incalculable number of sideline pouts and lifetime bans. All that churn netted just five postseason appearances, four winning records, one playoff series win, more losses than any other team ... and many, many towering walls.

It takes a lot to break those down. This year’s Knicks are doing it.

I don't even know what that would look like anymore because Michigan has that great big wall at the end of every season, but maybe one day.

Etc.: If Michigan really needs a mascot this is a candidate. Transfer portal reporting has gone too far. Baseball on track to make the tournament. Zion got money (surprise), would have gotten a lot more in an NIL world (surprise). Adding Jones moves Michigan up to #6 in Gary Parrish's early rankings, one spot behind OSU. CBS ranks Jones the #8 committed transfer.

Comments

m83econ

May 7th, 2021 at 12:02 PM ^

65% plus 2 weeks?  That's not anytime soon.  A week later and the % of adults has only gone up 3 p.p. and vaccination rate is slowing:

teldar

May 7th, 2021 at 12:18 PM ^

Yup. They need to set a time limit on it instead. When vaccination rate falls to some percentage of the maximum, all bets are off. We're going to reach a point where they people who aren't vaccinated aren't going to be. It will be time to move forward. 

kehnonymous

May 7th, 2021 at 1:18 PM ^

One *potentially* mitigating factor is that the number of holdouts isn't entirely comprised of hardcore anti-vaxxers with their heads in the sand.  A good number of them are technology-challenged, procrastinators, or will eventually come around given time.  We're still in danger of not getting to the 70% we'd like to be at, but it's not a hard and fast barrier of people who will never ever get the vaccine.

teldar

May 7th, 2021 at 1:32 PM ^

There comes a point it doesn't make sense to have to have the country shut down for a trickle of vaccinations. To say people are anti-vaxxers with their heads in the sand or are going to come around, I don't feel that's appropriate with this vaccine. This was a rushed vaccine with low quality (in terms of time) clinical trials and there are a lot of people who have had the virus and aren't interested in the vaccine for other reasons. But the idea we should restrict everyone for the people who aren't sure/don't want/are afraid of the vaccine... I disagree. 

Gameboy

May 7th, 2021 at 3:22 PM ^

Hundreds of millions of these vaccine shots have been given out and there is not significant side effects/harm to speak of (even the reports of blood clots are not more than what you would normally see without any vaccine). If that is not enough proof, then you don't care about facts or science, so why don't you just come out and say you are not getting one because you feel like it?

UofM Die Hard …

May 7th, 2021 at 3:41 PM ^

Hogwash comment

"Rushed vaccine"....well yeah it was "rushed" and a top priority because you know, a pandemic hit. The amount of money poured into all efforts for these vaccines is what helped speed the process. With other vaccine development you don't see that kind of blank check funding...it didnt matter the cost it was all hands on deck. 

 

Vote_Crisler_1937

May 7th, 2021 at 4:48 PM ^

for clarification: 

Given the current variants and future mutation possibility, it doesn’t matter if you have had the virus or not. You still need the vaccine. the vaccines work against multiple strains, if you have already had one strain, you can still get another one that a vaccine would have prevented. 
 

It’s not correct to think we are aiming for a combination of “vaccinated plus already got the disease”. 

Abram

May 18th, 2021 at 10:40 PM ^

Among 2684 baseline seronegative participants (94% HIV-negative and 6% HIV-positive), predominantly mild-to-moderate Covid-19 developed in 15 participants in the vaccine group and in 29 in the placebo group (vaccine efficacy, 49.4%; 95% confidence interval [CI], 6.1 to 72.8).

MarcusBrooks

May 10th, 2021 at 3:09 PM ^

one of hte greatest scams put over on the american public and Michigan has bought in hook line and sinker. 

people wonder why politicians get rich, but pushing for things they are heavily invested in like the vaccinations for the wuhan flu. 

Michigan will never get to 70% 

my son spent 3 days in the hospital after his pfizer shot and he never gets sick. 

people can say it's safe but they are only reporting on the J&J side affects 

all this for a virus that seriously affects .0015% of the population. 

more people are dying of drug overdoes and they are legalizing drugs, good luck America and especially those of us who are stuck living in Michigan with this crazy overlord in charge. 

I have never been more disgusted by corrupt politicians than I am now 

they will literally lie and deceive their way to millions of taxpayer $$s buy pushing this overhyped vaccine.  

Soulfire21

May 7th, 2021 at 12:03 PM ^

It's nice to see we have a path to normalcy clearly outlined now, though part of me wonders if it should've been tied to vaccine availability rather than the % of people who have gotten a shot.

When the vaccines are available to anyone who wants them and they can easily walk in somewhere and get it, everyone can just live with the consequences of their decisions.

I don't want to be held hostage by anti-vaxxers who may prevent us from ever reaching 70%.

TK

May 7th, 2021 at 12:17 PM ^

Well it’s going to happen, which is why holding the state hostage until we get to 70 pct is a terrible idea. I got both of my shots but I respect the decision of those who prefer not to get it. I believe over 30 pct do not want the vaccine which means we are under the thumb of Whitmer for as long as she feels like it. 

Soulfire21

May 7th, 2021 at 12:57 PM ^

which means we are under the thumb of Whitmer for as long as she feels like it

You'll recall that between the state legislature and courts, Whitmer's executive authority re: COVID-19 was neutered.

The epidemic orders are issued through the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services, headed by Elizabeth Hertel.

Presumably, Whitmer was involved, but to pin everything on her isn't right.

ERdocLSA2004

May 7th, 2021 at 12:27 PM ^

I don't want to be held hostage by anti-vaxxers who may prevent us from ever reaching 70%.

Then don’t.  70% in unattainable.  When was the last time 70% of the population did anything? First off, describing anyone who is hesitant about the vaccine as an “anti vaxxer” is ignorant.  This isn’t a polio or MMR vaccine that has been around forever, this is a vaccine that has known risks and some potential unknown risks that may not even be apparent for years.  Between people that have already had covid and those that plan to get vaccinated, we should be opening up way before 70% vaccination status.  Then what happens next year?  If 70% don’t get their booster vaccine next year are we going to shut down?  This isn’t a feasible plan that is being rolled out.  I just ask people to research the vaccine themselves and make an informed decision.  I’m a supporter of the vaccine but it’s your right to decide. Please do not base your decision to get a vaccine on who the president is(both sides are guilty of this), this is idiotic.  Educate yourself and make an informed decision.

1974

May 7th, 2021 at 12:47 PM ^

"... research the vaccine themselves and make an informed decision."

Hey, I'm all for "freedom" and everything, but WTF do you think the outcome of that process will be for the average American? Would you trust that person's judgment?

You don't have to look very far. Guess what percent of the US thinks the earth is a few thousand years old?

ERdocLSA2004

May 7th, 2021 at 1:18 PM ^

I think the CDC has good research and recommendations regarding the vaccine. Are you suggesting that the average American listen to politicians who are biased by special interest groups rather than asking their physician or attempting to go to the cdc website?  Having no knowledge at all on a subject and making a decision is probably better than taking a politicians advice.  I’m sorry but covid has become so politicized it makes me sick.

JamesBondHerpesMeds

May 7th, 2021 at 1:51 PM ^

Are you suggesting that the average American listen to politicians who are biased by special interest groups rather than asking their physician or attempting to go to the cdc website?

 

Half the country thinks Dr. Fauci is a politician bought by special interests, so I don't think the issue is who the average American listens to, but that the average American is fucking paranoid beyond reasonable measure.

kehnonymous

May 7th, 2021 at 5:50 PM ^

Oh, I absolutely know that our government has and does do some hella shady shit, and that's only what we do know.  However, it's not a monolith, but rather a multifaceted entity with hundreds (thousands?) of departments and agencies who are not on the same page more often than not.  I guess where I land is that I don't trust federal government agencies to act with 100% ethics, but it will rationally act in the interest of national security more often than not - the devil of course lies in what it perceives as such, which is..... a conversation.

Don

May 7th, 2021 at 6:09 PM ^

"I urge you to google "Operation Northwoods".  Read about it for an hour or 2 and tell me why anyone should ever trust the federal government about anything."

The guy at the top of the federal government—President John F. Kennedy—rejected out of hand the proposals outlined in Operation Northwoods, and immediately after the proposal was submitted by the Joint Chiefs, Kennedy removed its primary proponent, General Lyman Lemnitzer, from his position as JC Chairman.

I urge you to google Operation Jade Helm. Read about it for an hour or 2 and tell me why anyone should ever trust average citizens on the internet, or Texas governors, about anything.

blueheron

May 7th, 2021 at 2:37 PM ^

"Are you suggesting that the average American listen to politicians who are biased by special interest groups rather than asking their physician or attempting to go to the cdc website?"

That's an optimistic take.

If you're an ER doc it could be that you haven't ever spent quality time (outside the ER, at least) with idiots. You might run with mostly educated people.

I have a few idiots in my extended family. A culture-war politician (and, yes, vaccines are blue / red thing) would actually be a reasonable resource when compared to some of the ones (Facebook, random jackass at the bar, etc.) they use.

DaftPunk

May 8th, 2021 at 12:21 AM ^

Yeah, all those tests I took, board certifications I passed, sleepless nights spent trying to foil people trying to die, etc. just so I could sign MD after my name, what is any of that worth when all my YouTube channel has on it is concert clips and poignant scenes from The Wire? Fuck me, what the fuck do I know?

cKone

May 7th, 2021 at 12:55 PM ^

I got the vaccine because I wanted to see my grandchildren without worry.  I had my second dose 3 weeks ago, and have somewhat regretted the decision.  I got extremely sick for 2 days after the vaccine, and have been extremely fatigued in the weeks since.  My wife, on the other hand, was able to go shopping the day after her second dose. 

It affects everyone differently, and I probably wouldn't have gotten it without the pressure from my family due to the fact that I typically have the worse possible side effects to every vaccine I get.  I just hope that I can get back to normal and not feel like I need 14 hours of sleep per night to function in the near future.  I've been to my doctor twice and they can't seem to explain it.

uminks

May 7th, 2021 at 1:00 PM ^

I know a co-worker who is not getting vaccinated due to the fact he already had COVID last December. I suppose his immunity to COVID is equal or greater than the vaccine would provide . I know stats are kept on those who tested positive for COVID but there is a large segment of the population that had COVID who never got tested. If you combine the vaccinated with those who have had COVID, we may be much closer to herd immunity than relying on a vaccination rate of 70 percent. The only way to be sure would be to see infection rates drop off this summer.  I got my vaccine and hopefully many more will get theirs in the next 3 months.

KungFury

May 7th, 2021 at 2:21 PM ^

His immunity is LESS than what the vaccines provide. The vaccines work because they overload you with antibodies. Particularly the moderna and Pfizer vaccines that target the spike protein of covid give you tons more mRNA against that one specific piece of the virus than you would ever get from a normal infection. That’s also why they are pretty effective against the variants. Even though they’re sub-optimal, there’s so much of a reaction that it still works. People who had covid early in the pandemic are at a much greater risk of getting sick again with say the UK variant than someone who never had covid but has the vaccine. 

Shop Smart Sho…

May 7th, 2021 at 3:12 PM ^

Herein lies the problem. On the surface, this sounds like a reasonable take that others might base their opinion on if they had not connection to medical science.

However, just a basic understanding of how vaccines works tells us that it completely false. Vaccines work because they give you more of the virus all at once then contracting it naturally. 

So no, having recovered from a mild case of Covid does not make you immune.

4th phase

May 7th, 2021 at 5:47 PM ^

There’s 2 reasons that people that got infected aren’t included in the 70%, 1 practical and 1 scientific. Practically it’s much harder to track who got an infection and who didn’t, plus people lie. Scientifically, can you, your coworker, their doctor, or anyone for that matter say how much viral load they received? Which variant did they get? The vaccine is a controlled dosage and everyone gets effectively the same thing. Eliminating variables is essential here. So it’s possible for someone to test positive but have no immune response, not be sick, and then get infected and very sick or be a carrier later. 

Soulfire21

May 7th, 2021 at 1:08 PM ^

Then don’t.

I don't really have the authority to roll back epidemic orders issued by MDHHS.

When was the last time 70% of the population did anything?

That's fair. I guess it's my fault for being too optimistic in thinking people might actually do what's required of them to end the worst pandemic in 100 years

describing anyone who is hesitant about the vaccine as an “anti vaxxer” is ignorant

I never did that.

this is a vaccine that has known risks and some potential unknown risks that may not even be apparent for years

What risks? The vaccine has been determined both safe and effective and a̶p̶p̶r̶o̶v̶e̶d̶ ̶b̶y̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶F̶D̶A̶ authorized for emergency use by the FDA. Any risks that may exist are far outweighed by the benefits. Certainly, for example, if you're allergic to any components of the vaccine, etc. then you don't do it - but I highly doubt that's 30+% of the population.

Between people that have already had covid and those that plan to get vaccinated, we should be opening up way before 70% vaccination status.

Sure, I think that's reasonable. But there's no real way to know how many people have actually had COVID-19, at least not like we know how many people have gotten shots. That makes it a less attractive method, but you could assume that more people than confirmed cases have gotten COVID-19 and just use confirmed cases as a conservative estimate. The problem also is that we likely don't know how much overlap there is between people who got COVID-19 and also got the vaccine.

If 70% don’t get their booster vaccine next year are we going to shut down?

That probably depends on if there is another outbreak, if our hospitals get overwhelmed, etc. I would guess that COVID-19 just becomes another disease we learn to live with like the flu by next year, but I'm no oracle.

research the vaccine themselves and make an informed decision

I wonder what research I can do that would exceed that of Pfizer, the FDA, the CDC, epidemiologists, virologists, and all other professionals who have dedicated their lives to studying viruses and pandemics.

Please do not base your decision to get a vaccine on who the president is(both sides are guilty of this), this is idiotic

Absolutely. I wish Trump was more vocal about getting the vaccine. It's no secret that vaccine hesitancy is higher in counties that supported Trump.

ERdocLSA2004

May 7th, 2021 at 1:25 PM ^

I’ve seen vaccine hesitancy on both sides.  Obviously there is a potential for shutdown if hospitals are overwhelmed but that wasn’t what I was asking.  If 70% don’t get their annual booster vaccine, do we shut down simply because of that?  My point was use reliable resources for your decision, not politicians.  Also, there is no FDA approved vaccine, the vaccines have been fda authorized for emergency use only at this point.  These vaccines skipped many of the regulatory processes in place which is why they are not fda approved yet.