MGoPodcast 13.4: Ripped From the Headlines Comment Count

Seth September 26th, 2021 at 3:42 PM

1 hour and 23 minutes

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1. Offense vs Rutgers

starts at 1:00

Signs in the first drive, great play-action and RPOs on the second drive, then they ran out of ideas and kept running into stacked boxes like they'd never scouted this team and what they do. RBs are going to come in for some minuses. Vastardis got roasted by the slanting nose. DID NOT TEST THE EDGES VS THOSE INSANE SAFETIES UNTIL 5 MINUTES LEFT WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE?

[The rest of the writeup and the player after THE JUMP]

2. Defense vs Rutgers

starts at 21:05

Also not great. Rutgers ran a lot of college stuff, Michigan ran out a lot of DTs, Hutchinson was rampant, refs were unkind to us here and both teams on deep passes.

3. Hot Takes, Special Teams, and Game Theory

starts at 35:25

The Sklars join us for the Hot Takes segment. Brad Robbins is not Jesus (in case you were wondering). Moody missed a field goal, RU missed too. Lots in the Game Theory segment, starting with Rutgers going for it at the end of the half on 4th and 10. And then Michigan not running a play with 5 seconds left. And lots more.

4. Around the Big Ten, wsg Jamie Mac

starts at 56:22

How long can we spend on Minnesota-Bowling Green? Long enough to name every Carr assistant and player, and not long enough to get to the implications for teams who may have been losing to Minnesota in the 4th quarter this year.

MUSIC:

  • “Drivers”—John Andrews and the Yawns
  • “Jesus Was a Cross-Maker”—Judee Still
  • “Good Intentions”—The 1AM Radio
  • “Across 110th Street”
THE USUAL LINKS:

No I was talking about the other Jew born on Christmas.

Comments

MGoBlue96

September 26th, 2021 at 4:09 PM ^

Honestly everyone is talking how god awful the offensive playcalling was and rightly so but I don't think the defensive gameplan was good either. They were playing a ton of soft coverage and gave up alot  of easy completions against a team who pretty much only dinks and dunks in the passing game and doesn't have the talent to threaten you downfield. It was a bizarre coverage gameplan from MacDonald based on the opposition and UM's dbs being more talented. Those easy completions along with the 3-5 runs allowed Rutgers to stay on the field a long time.

ERdocLSA2004

September 26th, 2021 at 7:49 PM ^

I agree although Rutgers did a good job neutralizing our rush with their scheme.  Reminded me a lot of some past OSU games.  My guess is we played softer when we weren’t getting to the qb and also probably because our guys were getting gassed because they couldn’t get off the field.  I’m interested to see the UFR though, it seemed like Dax was out of position a lot.  

MGoBlue96

September 27th, 2021 at 1:53 AM ^

Sure not good enough to stand toe to toe with the OSU receiving cores of the world, but someone like Rutgers give me a break. UM's dbs are better than their receivers and that's not even a question. Rutgers has no downfield passing game whatsoever and no real threats at receiver. Bend but don't break against good receiver corps sure, but not against a team with the talent of Rutgers. They also have an oline that struggles in pass protection to even have time to get the ball downfield. There is literally no planet where UM should feel the need to not trust their DB's this year against a team like Rutgers. They gave away free yards for absolutely no reason.

Gulogulo37

September 27th, 2021 at 9:51 AM ^

Michigan's DBs are not simply a step below OSU's WRs. Come on. Bo Melton is as good a WR as Gray is a DB. And you talk about their OL but did everyone just forget how weak we thought the DL was going to be this year? They've been fine but far from great besides Hutchinson. Our personnel problems didn't just vanish.

MGoBlue96

September 27th, 2021 at 11:12 AM ^

Fine is far better than Rutgers oline has been this year in pass pro. Rutgers couldn't handle Syracuse pass rush, you are out of your damn mind if you don't think UM's pass rush is better than Syracuse. And again Western has a better passing game than Rutgers and the dbs held up just fine in that game. UM's defensive backs heading into the game had been much improved this year, that is undisputable based on the UFR's. Even if they are still not great they had shown enough improvement so far this year to earn more trust than huge cushions against a very bad passing offense.

thedayiscoming

September 27th, 2021 at 10:06 PM ^

point taken, but in this instance, I'm ok with our DB's gaining experience in a relatively new system.  Most of these guys cut their teeth in Brown's system.  Let them get some experience running their zone schemes against this inferior opponent.  Take some lumps now so that we learn from it when faced with better competition.  We certainly won't be running a lot of aggressive coverages against PSU and OSU....so lets practice what we will run against them.  To me, this is the same argument I had after the first 3 games...practice passing in a blow out game so that you are prepared for your primary opponents later in the season.

HollywoodHokeHogan

September 26th, 2021 at 9:17 PM ^

I’m not sure Michigan’s db s are more talented than anyone in the conference.  Green is not “fine” and Gay is a guy coming off the worse season I’ve seen a defensive player have.

But part of the double standard is that we  all knew the defense had like two good players and was going to be a work in progress, while the offense was supposed to be the good side of the ball. Holding Rutgers to 13 is pretty good, even if it wasn’t pretty itself.  Scoring 20 on Rutgers isn’t good at all.

MGoBlue96

September 27th, 2021 at 2:02 AM ^

This is just not true at all. Green has in fact established himself as at least solid as the year went on last year and so far this year.The only time he has even got beat this year is on a couple balls he was in perfect position on that were underthrown or miraculous catches. Gray, lol you can't even spell his name right has graded out as much improved this year as well. Hill is a very good cover guy at NB. WMU was already a more talented passing offense than Rutgers and they held up just fine. Stop thinking last years aberration of a year is a new norm, UM absolutely has a better pass defense than Rutgers has a passing offense. Rutgers didn't even attempt downfield passes against Syracuse, and probably doesn't have a single WR who would start on most Big Ten teams. WR talent in the Big Ten is just not good overall honestly, OSU is the only team who can overwhelm everyone with their WR talent. PSU is probably next with Dotson but nobody else too scary around him.

 

ak47

September 27th, 2021 at 10:19 AM ^

We played soft because our defensive backs aren't good and the safeties and linebackers were necessary to stop the QB run game rather than cover for our bad DB's. If you are bringing the safety into the box you have to trust your DB's to not get beat over the top to play press man and we can't trust our guys to do that.

MGoBlue96

September 27th, 2021 at 11:20 AM ^

Against Rutgers you absolutely can. Unless you honestly think UM has a worse pass rush and db personal than Syracuse. Rutgers has not been to get consistently over the top of any of their opponents and guess what all three  had worse personal than UM. Rutgers can't get the ball downfield period, their QB and oline issues alone don't allow it, that has been true against all 4 of their opponents. They attempted two balls downfield all day. One Green was stride for stride with the receiver and was only caught cause it was horribly underthrown, the other Gray was in good position as well and sailed 15 yards out of bounds.

ak47

September 27th, 2021 at 12:30 PM ^

I mean our interior dline performed worse against the Rutgers offensive line than Syracuse or Temple and the defensive backs are still the same guys who got toasted constantly by Ricky White, so possibly yes they are worse, especially compared to Syracuse which seems to have a fine defense based on their other games.

LabattsBleu

September 26th, 2021 at 4:25 PM ^

Certainly wasn't the beatdown that was projected in the podcast before the game.

Rutgers deserves a lot of credit, IMO, for really doing a good job adjusting at halftime...Michigan coaches were equally to blame for making Michigan look worse than they actually are (i hope)

joeismyname

September 26th, 2021 at 4:40 PM ^

Important to note how hard it was for the defense to get off the field, hampered the offense big time.
16 total offensive plays (minus kneel downs) in 2nd half. 3 first down pass plays missed bad on one drive, including a big gainer across the middle.

I counted 5 successful run plays due to down and distance in second half (5 out of 11 runs I believe) A near miss with the bad RPO and one very bad left cut by Haskins when yards were up the middle.

Missed opportunities for big plays were there even with vanilla playcalls.

This is a game where I actually think TOP makes a big difference in final score….however, still much to be desired from the 16 chances they did have in 2nd half, especially runs to the outside mostly abandoned.

dragonchild

September 26th, 2021 at 4:52 PM ^

Literally all conversations about ToP put the cart before the horse. If ToP mattered at all, Rutgers wins in a blowout.

Rutgers “won” ToP because they were marching down the field 5-6 yards at a time and our offense engineered 3-and-outs. Thing is, they were trying to score points and didn’t do as well at that.

joeismyname

September 26th, 2021 at 5:47 PM ^

Sorry I brought up the dreaded “TOP” argument, which is auto negs on this blog, but it’s at least one of the elephants in the room of the story of the second half. Having 16 total opportunities to run offensive plays certainly puts a damper on your chances of scoring points. Having the ball longer clearly keeps the other team from scoring, especially in a game that played out this way. I’m not forgiving all the play-calling, clearly they were overly conservative, which aided in us not possessing the ball, but Cade did not help with all his wide open missed, keeping the ball when he shouldn’t,  Haskins taking an unneeded cut, and the defense did not help by staying on the field for 80% of the second half. 

We hit those few easy passes (also the TD at end of half), the run opens up a bit, and we likely score at least one more touchdowns or another FG, maybe 2, and we are probably talking about something like a 28-10, 30-10 or 34-10 victory that left a little to be desired instead of an entire dumpster fire of a half. With all that said, yes, I also think we abandoned the outside run a bit too much, but the narrative for this game is being overblown on the offensive side. Cade started yipping, the defense did a lot of sucky things up front making for too many 2nd and shorts, they got off schedule. 
 

joeismyname

September 26th, 2021 at 9:04 PM ^

You guys have no sense of nuance. In a mostly defensive game (or half for this matter) where there are literally no big plays or quick offensive drives, Time of Possession does matter, as it increases your number of opportunities for more points and keeps the other team from having opportunities. Also in games like this field position and turnovers matter more also. In fast paced defenseless shootout games, and or one sided blowouts where one team has all kinds of big plays and the other has a million possessions due to the opposing offense scoring so fast (last week vs NIU), yes of course TOP is pretty meaningless.
I would be fine if Michigan was to be the fast paced team with a defense that also forces tons of 3 and outs so we could win every game by 40, but there are like 3 teams in the country who do that on any consistent basis year to year. 

1VaBlue1

September 27th, 2021 at 8:22 AM ^

How obtuse are you?  Maybe if Michigan wasn't running directly into an 8-man box on four consecutive 3&outs (math: that's 12 plays, at ~30 sec/play = ~6 minutes of game clock) before punting, perhaps your precious ToP would have flipped?

It wouldn't have been one of those "games like this" had Michigan not shut down its offense and refused to use it.  They never bounced the ball outside.  They didn't use the WR's (ie: Henning) on sweeps (or any other way), they didn't use misdirection or play action, they made absolutely no attempt to get the ball outside the 8-man box.

That was the same offense we've seen since 2019.  I know it was a 'hot take', but I believe Seth's 'John Donovan coaching line' comment is spot on...  Because if it's off at all, even one tiny little bit, then this offense is 100% Jim Harbaugh.

MGoBlue96

September 26th, 2021 at 4:58 PM ^

I mean some of that was the soft coverage I mentioned being played by UM all game giving Rutgers easy dink and dunks, combined with positive runs that allowed them to stay on the field. I know MacDonald wants to have a little more bend but don't break overall in his defensive philosophy but to me I don't think that it is neccassarily appropriate against teams who you have a talent advantage against defending the pass. I mean on film there is nothing else they would have saw from Rutgers besides a dink and dunk passing offense. So why are you giving them the only thing they can do in their passing game and allowing them to stay on the field? That looked like the soft coverage you would expect UM to play against someone with dangerous WR's like OSU, etc.

joeismyname

September 26th, 2021 at 6:02 PM ^

Agreed. Like I said, allowing them to easily stay on the field for 80% of the half and trying to make your defense defend like 10 different 3rd and shorts is a recipe for keeping your D on the field, getting them tired, and not giving the offense near enough reps to find any rhythm. Also, the Rutgers D is fresh every time they step on the field. 
 

Maybe the silver lining here is they have pretty of film on how to correct both the front seven and the cushion given by the DB’s. Also, lots of 3rd and short practice. Hopefully all the above and Cade improves from this second half showing, I believe they will. 

Cranky Dave

September 26th, 2021 at 5:27 PM ^

I sure hope the offense doesn’t come out next week with the same plan to run  between the tackles and give AJ Henning 0 touches. Maybe adjusts to what Wisconsin does, a novel coaching approach 

Colt Burgess

September 26th, 2021 at 6:12 PM ^

I agree with Brian (or Seth) who said that it looked as though the Michigan coaches didn't watch any Rutgers film. They did what they do! Even reviewing last year's debacle in New Jersey would have helped. Anyway, I'm glad Seth and Brian shared their criticisms instead of asking the fan base why they just can't be happy with a win. 

 

 

Teeba

September 26th, 2021 at 9:55 PM ^

The first drive on offense was vintage Stanford Harbaugh. The rest of the first half was Gattis speed in space stuff. A team that gained over 1000 yards rushing in the first three games was going with an empty backfield on some plays. It worked, but I was scratching my head at the incoherence of the approach. The second half was strictly spring game, rep the base play, don’t put anything on film, stuff. It almost bit them in the ass. 

MGoStrength

September 26th, 2021 at 10:04 PM ^

It's funny how fast things change.  Against WMU we tested the edges, used screens, end arounds, and short throws.  Then against Washington they shut that down so we ran up the middle.  NIU sucks so all we needed to do was run up the middle.  Then comes Rutgers and we have no answer when running up the middle doesn't work in the second half and we're back to the last few years where we wonder who's calling the plays and why we don't try something different when running into stacked boxes doesn't work.  I thought we got rid of the yes men and this was a new staff, yet the old issues are rearing their heads again.  Let's see if we learn this time or if try again to do what seemingly won't work against Wiscy (run up the middle).

los barcos

September 26th, 2021 at 10:07 PM ^

This game broke Seth, who had previously been the most optimistic MGO blogger in sometime. Now he’s one of us. ONE OF US!

 

Can we have an auto neg for the theory that we’re “keeping things in the barn?”  There is nothing kept in the barn. Ever. Jim Harbaugh does one thing - and that’s run it up the middle. We’re not saving plays - this is the offense. It’s a feature, not a bug.

bronxblue

September 27th, 2021 at 8:35 AM ^

So the offense that averaged 14 yards a pass (and 11 if you throw out the 51 yarder to end the first half) and put up 20 points on 5 possessions wasn't Harbaugh's offense, but the one that had a couple of bad throws, a bad drop, and some runs where big yardage was available if a back took the right cut is the actual one?

Again, I'm not surprised that this podcast thread would be full of people with the knives out, but it's still weird seeing everything break down to "if it was bad it was intentional and if it was good it was accidental"

ak47

September 27th, 2021 at 10:35 AM ^

No this is a pretty consistent with Harbaugh because he is a play scared conservative approach, who when he gets a lead plays to sit on it in any game where the opponent threatens. He just tries to kill the potential of big negative plays that can swing the game quickly and in the process chokes the life out of his own team. So yeah turtling and playing like ass when the team gets punched back is totally in line with what we've seen from Harbaugh as a coach.

yossarians tree

September 27th, 2021 at 1:01 PM ^

The first three games I was pleasantly surprised to see that there was an attack mentality. Just play good hard football, have fun, and try to destroy your opponent. That was a new Harbaugh. 

But in the second half of this game the old guy came back. Henning never touched the ball on offense. The edges were there to exploit and yet nothing. McNamara had tons of time in play action and in the first half he was hitting wide open receivers in stride. If he was rattled in the second half he should have come out. Let McCarthy rip it. What is he afraid of?

Don't play "not to lose" anymore. That's a loser mentality. Michigan is not good enough to do that. Almost nobody is these days. Parity is becoming more and more of a thing. The transfer rules are tightening everything up and Michigan can lose to literally anyone left on their schedule if the coaches try to control everything.

uminks

September 27th, 2021 at 2:35 AM ^

It was a typical Harbaugh game plan. Mix it up nice in the first half and take a 20-3 lead into halftime, then try running down the other teams throat. Schiano knew what Harbaugh would do and stacked the box and stubborn Harbaugh stuck to his run up the middle. Cade started loosing confidence and got inaccurate in the 4th when he started passing! 

bronxblue

September 27th, 2021 at 8:14 AM ^

Ah yes, that famous UM gameplay where they dominate a half and then try to continue doing that in the second half but the rival head coach decides to let them do it for a half before...suddenly stopping them in the second half.

Not everything is some classic Harbaugh failing.

bronxblue

September 27th, 2021 at 8:03 AM ^

I'm writing about this a bit but Rutgers has a top-25 defense per SP+.  I know this place has object permanence when it comes to teams, so Michigan playing poorly for a half is validation they always sucked and Rutgers can't possibly be good at anything ever, but Rutgers looks like a mid-level Big 10 team, and sometimes those teams can give you trouble.  I'm not defending the second half play calling but these complaints feel like they were in the chamber to be fired off regardless of opponent; they'd be said after the first close win or loss regardless.