[Marc-Gregor Campredon]

Hoops Preview: Michigan State 2020-21, Part One Comment Count

Brian March 4th, 2021 at 1:34 PM

THE ESSENTIALS

WHAT #3 Michigan (18-2, 13-2 B1G)
vs #60 Michigan State (14-10, 8-10)

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WHERE Crisler Arena
Ann Arbor MI
WHEN 7 PM Eastern
Thursday, March 4th
THE LINE Kenpom: M -15
Torvik: M –13
TELEVISION ESPN
PBP: Bob Wischusen
Analyst: Dick Vitale

THE OVERVIEW

Michigan kicks off a season-ending home-and-home with rival Michigan State with two big items on the line. One: the Big Ten championship, which Michigan will win outright by winning either of these games (or seeing Illinois lose to Ohio State).

Two: Michigan State's 22-year tourney streak, which is currently under serious threat. MSU is in the first four out on the Bracket Matrix and is last team in the field in Bart Torvik's T-Ranketology. They are locked into the 8-9 game in the Big Ten tournament, and it looks like any win against Michigan in three tries is going to get them in (that third one assumes they win that 8-9 game, obviously no guarantee). If Michigan does sweep, we can photoshop Juwan Howard's head in here very satisfyingly:

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So yeah let's do that.

THE US

Seth's graphic [click to embiggen]:

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Franz loses his hat. 

THE LINEUP CARD

Seth's graphic [click for big]:

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We've gone with Gabe Brown and Rocket Watts as starters, because who starts is always up in the air and they've played the most minutes recently. Also we've got two rows for the bench, because MSU.

[Hit THE JUMP for the rest of the preview.]

THE THEM

One thing you can say for Michigan State is there sure is a lot of it. A whopping twelve players have played at least 10% of MSU's minutes; Kenpom's lineup guess shows six different bodies playing some minutes at center. Tom Izzo has been running a blender all year as he tries to find lineups that work and frequently ends up starting guys who play 10-12 minutes. Only two guys are significantly above 20 MPG. Most assertions of who will start and what role they will play are low confidence.

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[Campredon]

There are two constants. Wing Aaron Henry was touted as a rising star and potential first-round draft pick entering this season. That hasn't worked out as he's been inconsistent in the absence of Cassius Winston. He's still being listed in the second round by various analysts:

The three-ball may make or break Henry as an NBA prospect, but in the second round, it's worth gambling on, given his 6'6" size, slashing ability, passing, defensive tools/anticipation and rising free-throw percentage (81.0 percent), a promising number that highlights shooting touch.

"Slashing" is maybe not the right word. Henry is big and reasonably athletic but doesn't have the lateral quickness to get by guys. He takes almost half his shots in the midrange. He is exceptionally good there (47%); since he is exceptionally bad at the rim (55%) because he's almost always finishing through someone it evens out to a guy who is hitting exactly half of his twos on the year. UMHoops points out that there is a spot on the court where Henry is legitimately efficient:

Michigan needs to prevent him from setting up just outside the paint, or maybe have Franz Wagner be able to contest those shots anyway.

Henry fills up the other bits of the box score, too, with a PG-level assist rate (26), a TO rate just under 20, and a fair number of blocks and steals. Grim numbers from 3 (28%) are an issue. He has maintained his efficiency despite a steep rise in usage; unfortunately that efficiency is barely above 100.

Shooting guard Josh Langford is the same kind of player as Henry, at his best in the questionable places to shoot on a basketball court. A one-time five star—who was infamously supposed to be on the verge of picking Michigan when Tyus Battle took his spot, temporarily—beset by years of injuries, he's settled into another jumpshooter heavy in the midrange. Only 15% of his shots are at the rim and he converts at just a 47% clip. The rest of his shots are split evenly between threes, which are reasonably efficient at 35%, and midrange twos, which are not at 40%. Langford is a questionable defender at this point in his career because of the injuries and athletic deficiencies.

Langford gets about 30 MPG in Big Ten play and that number is trending upwards as we reach the end of the season. MSU goes from a pretty bad offensive team (0.98 PPP) to a very bad one (0.88) when either Langford or Henry is on the bench, FWIW. This may be more about who comes on the court than any particular standout ability from the two heavy-minutes guys.

Figuring out who to list next is close to impossible but since wing/stretch four Gabe Brown's gotten 80% of MSU's minutes over their last five the Wheel Of Weird Guys stops on him first. Brown is MSU's best three-point shooter by a wide margin (46%) and is efficient inside the arc, albeit as a finisher on other folks' actions.

Brown had a reputation as miserable defender for the first couple years of his career but this year's numbers are favorable. His presence on the court changes nothing about the MSU defense except for much-improved defensive rebounds. That's probably a fluke since Brown isn't exactly an imposing rebounder, but if he's even defensively with the rest of the options he should be getting piles of minutes since he's easily Michigan State's most efficient offensive player. He's the one guy Michigan has to stick to no matter what.

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Watts has also been a weirdly inconsistent defender [Campredon]

Point guard has been a revolving door all season. With Foster Loyer shut down for the season after shoulder surgery, sophomore Rocket Watts has started three of the last five games and is a nose ahead of freshman AJ Hoggard. Neither of these options is, uh, good. Watts is shooting 28/25 in Big Ten play with a minuscule free throw rate and just generally seems broken for much of the time he's on the court. This passage stood out to Brendan Quinn when MSU played Nebraska in January:

A minute later, Watts flipped a bad pass pulling Malik Hall out of position, then drove into a wall of bodies and delivered a pass to Sissoko in a crowd of defenders. A turnover. Izzo immediately called timeout. Then the two — Watts and Izzo — barked back and forth in the huddle. No more hugs. Watts and Hall exchanged similar pleasantries before eventually slapping hands. Everyone shook their heads. On the first possession out of the timeout, Watts attempted a 30-foot left-handed bounce pass to a guarded Sissoko.

Watts does have reasonable, PG-ish assist and TO rates. He remains quick and could give Michigan's backcourt some problems like Trent Frazier did, if he's locked in and actually doing the things Izzo wants him to do. That is always in question. Watts gives up a shocking number of straight-line drives for a guy with his athletic ability. Caveats about individual defensive Synergy numbers apply, but dude is grading out at 19th percentile overall and 8th percentile against isolation.

Hoggard, meanwhile, was barely used until January when Watts temporarily got moved to the two. He has no jumpshot, shooting 23% on other twos and 19% from three. Also he's bad at the rim. Hoggard does set up his teammates frequently but his TO rate of 27 is not quite abominable.

Your guess is as good as mine about who's going to get the start or the most minutes; no matter who it is any kind of shooting from them will be a welcome balm.

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pictured: MSU's center rotation

Finally… center. This is less a platoon and more a polyphonic spree situation. Junior beanpole Marcus Bingham is credited with the most minutes at C over MSU's last five by Kenpom, because he's out there for 11 minutes a game. Bingham is the same weight as Franz Wagner, give or take five pounds, and two inches taller. If you don't batter him under the basket he's very liable to swat you—his 13.8 block rate would be second nationally if he had enough minutes to qualify—but since you can put him under the basket with a feather and some harsh words MSU's two-point D barely budges when he's on the court.

The rest of the cast of thousands should be addressed by bullet point:

  • Julius Marble has a modicum of offensive skill. He's solid around the basket, creates some of his own shots, and has a short hook game. He's also responsible for a 5-point drop in MSU's two point D, which is really something considering the other options at this spot. MSU gives up buckets of FTAs when he's playing, largely because Marble commits 10 fouls per 40. Yes, 10. He fouled out of the Illinois game in 7 minutes.
  • Thomas Kithier is good at grabbing offensive rebounds and does nothing else on offense except finish the occasional bucket someone else creates. He's 6'8" with no lift and provides almost no rim protection.
  • Mady Sissoko is a top 50 freshman—ranked in front of Hunter Dickinson!—who's averaging about 5 MPG. Little is known about him except for his lifelong fandom of the Bad Boys Pistons. It was a Sissoko flying elbow that broke Ayo Dosunmu's nose and resulted in the Big Ten's first flagrant 2 in 13 months. Early returns are that he's big and leapy with close to no offensive skill.

Joey Hauser plays as a small-ball 5 some but is important enough to be addressed outside of the bullets above.

But wait, there's more! The nominal starters section has mentioned nine different guys. With Loyer out there are two more bench players worth talking about. The first is Marquette transfer Joey Hauser, a stretch four who was a starter for much of the year but has come off the bench for the last eight games. Hauser's shooting 56/32 in Big Ten play with a reasonable FT rate. His TO rate is too high but that doesn't explain some bizarre on/off splits:

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That is baffling. I guess Hauser's ability to stretch the floor isn't that valuable because MSU doesn't have any guys who can get to the bucket when the opposition center is lifted out of the paint? Frankly, MSU not losing any defensive efficiency with Hauser out there is also weird. Joey Hauser is weird.

MSU will play Hauser as a stretch five from time to time, but probably not in this one since he's a 7th percentile post defender. Dickinson will implode him.

The 11th MSU player likely to see minutes in this game is Malik Hall, who's either a traditional (ie, not stretch) four or a massively undersized five. He does work on the boards and has a reasonable ability to finish at or relatively near the rim as long as he's able to physically outmatch his opposite number, usually by being bigger and stronger. He's a solid defender as a four.

THE TEMPO-FREE

Left offense, right defense, conference numbers:

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That looks exactly as frustrating as Michigan State has been for much of the year. Their eFG is rough because they cannot get to the rim—325th nationally—and are miserable once there—278th. They punt the ball out of bounds a lot, and they're dead last in the Big Ten at allowing steals. They survive, insofar as they have survived, by knocking down longer twos at a top 50 rate.  They are highly reliant on assists because they don't have isolation players.

On defense, you can see the hack-a-thon in the glowing red box. This number understates how hacky they have been lately:

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The last five games their FTA/FGA is over 50. That would be third from last nationally if maintained over the course of the season. MSU has been good at preventing threes but twos go in at a 50% clip, 9th in the conference.

THE KEYS

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there will be some of these [Campredon]

Are you going to call it? MSU's recent turnaround coincides with a decision to use their infinite post-type substances as fungible bodies with five fouls each. This has lifted their post defense from 7th percentile midseason to 19th percentile—thus implying that they've been average-ish over the past month. This is despite the fact that nearly a quarter of post-ups MSU have faced this season result in free throws.

This strategy has benefited from the general ineptness of opposition centers at free throws. Nebraska Cs went 2/7 from the line; Purdue Cs went 4/9; Illinois Cs 3/11. When opposition Cs have been able to hit FTs MSU has scraped by teams like Indiana, which got nothing from the rest of their team, or OSU because they were able to bully EJ Liddell into going 4/12 from two.

Hunter Dickinson has been struggling lately but he is as very large person (unlike Liddell) who is an excellent passer (unlike Kofi Cockburn) and is hitting 76% of his free throws. Swarming him and hacking him does not seem like a winning strategy as long as the officiating does not slip into that mode where the calls must balance out.

Big if. We just had a game in which Kofi Cockburn picked up two on-ball fouls trying to defend Dickinson in the post and Dickinson immediately got his third on an irrelevant box-out.

How contested are MSU's midrange twos, and where are they from? If you can push Henry out to 12+ feet he's not super efficient, and neither is Langford. That's over long periods of time, though, and probably the standout stat from MSU's recent games is MSU's ability to live in the midrange without dying in the midrange:

  • Vs Iowa: 6/22, L
  • Vs Purdue: 8/24, L
  • Vs Indiana: 9/17, W
  • Vs OSU: 11/20, W
  • Vs Illinois: 15/28, W
  • Vs Maryland: 4/16, L
  • Vs Indiana: 12/21, W

Against tourney level opponents, MSU shooting 50%+ in the midrange has been crucial for their ability to eke out enough offense to win. Michigan has a good chance to meaningfully contest a lot of these since Wagner, Brown, and Livers have a lot of length.

If they try drop coverage on you are you able to get something other than jumpers and floaters out of it? Michigan settled for a ton of tough intermediate stuff against Illinois, which was possible in part because enormous human Kofi Cockburn is able to dissuade passes to the roll man without giving up too much real estate near the basket. MSU doesn't have anyone like that except maybe Bingham, who probably cannot be left alone in the post with Dickinson.

But Illinois put out a book on Michigan and you know people are going to try to replicate it.

THE SECTION WHERE I PREDICT THE SAME THING KENPOM DOES

Michigan by 15.

Comments

Frank Chuck

March 4th, 2021 at 1:41 PM ^

"Just Win Baby!"

If we can disrupt Aaron Henry and keep secondary players like Josh Langford, Rocket Watts, and Gabe Brown from making meaningful contributions, we should win comfortably. Basically, we need to do what Maryland did to Sparty.

True Blue 9

March 4th, 2021 at 1:50 PM ^

I'd argue tonight's game might be our most important game of the season. Lose tonight and we risk things getting a bit mental. Win tonight and you get your mojo back and cut down some nets. 

I WANT THAT TOURNEY STREAK OVER!! 

njvictor

March 4th, 2021 at 1:53 PM ^

I'm terrified to see what we looking like coming out of last game. Hunter and Franz should have big games and if we can limit Henry, then we should be fine, but wow I'm nervous

bronxblue

March 4th, 2021 at 1:54 PM ^

Gotta win today to save heartburn this weekend, but I did look back and after UM got taken down by Minnesota they responded by opening a 17-3 lead over Maryland and then coasting from there.  Obviously different circumstances but Michigan's defense was solid against Illinois and MSU isn't remotely in the same category defensively as the Illini, so it's unlikely they'll be able to stymie Michigan's offense in the same ways as Illinois did.  Of course, if the refs just let them smash UM players in the face then all bets are off, but I have a feeling you only get so many of those games from the refs in a season.

 

Don

March 4th, 2021 at 2:04 PM ^

MSU will win at least one of these games. The refs are going to swallow their whistles while the Spartans punch, elbow, grab, shove, kick, trip, gouge, and choke, and they will blow their whistles when a Wolverine merely looks at a Spartan with a raised eyebrow.

It's going to be a mental test for Michigan as much as a physical one, and I wonder if the last week of over-the-top hype about how great Michigan is was like a stock bubble that was burst by Illinois.

ERdocLSA2004

March 4th, 2021 at 2:37 PM ^

There will be plenty of fouls called and plenty of FT attempts.  MSU knows they have no post defense and are quite comfortable using the hack-a-shaq strategy.  We should throw the ball to the post on every single possession. If we shoot 75% or better from the line, we win.  Simple as that.

jmblue

March 4th, 2021 at 2:15 PM ^

I never feel that comfortable going into an MSU game, but if any other opponent had this same profile I'd feel fine.  And the last time out against Sparty (a year ago), a worse Michigan team than this one beat a much better MSU than this year's.

Pretty simple: win and get a trophy.  Show everyone Tuesday night was a fluke.

MGoStretch

March 4th, 2021 at 2:15 PM ^

Illinois may have put out a book on Michigan, but unless it’s a coloring book, it won’t be any good to staee (that, and they don’t have the dudes to pull off what Illinois did).

dragonchild

March 4th, 2021 at 2:36 PM ^

Hunter Dickinson has been struggling lately but he is as very large person (unlike Liddell) who is an excellent passer (unlike Kofi Cockburn) and is hitting 76% of his free throws. Swarming him and hacking him does not seem like a winning strategy as long as the officiating does not slip into that mode where the calls must balance out.

The officiating will slip into that mode where the calls must balance out.

Jordan2323

March 4th, 2021 at 2:36 PM ^

There are three major keys to victory as far as I’m concerned. One, we have to match their effort. They absolutely want and need at least one of these if not both. We looked lethargic against Illinois. We have the talent to beat them in effort alone. They will need extra shots and will try to get rebounds to get them. Two, did we learn anything from the Illinois game as far as our offense goes? If they try to replicate it, can we overcome it? Hopefully we’ve figured out something. Three, the refereeing. Will they get all of the crucial calls, the ones that stymie runs, the ones that add points for them and remove them for us and the ones that are 50/50 calls? The number of foul calls will prob be even, it’ll be the type of calls that make the difference. Will they be allowed to drape on Hunters arms for example or push low on him as he shoots to come up short on shots? Officiating can absolutely change the game. We need to win it at home and not try to win it in EL. 

redwings8831

March 4th, 2021 at 2:36 PM ^

MSU is not locked into the 8-9 game. It's unlikely but they can finish 7th with two wins/Maryland loss vs PSU or 10th with two losses/Indiana win at Purdue.

gweb

March 4th, 2021 at 3:25 PM ^

I’ve noticed a tendency for M to have very slow starts on offense. Sometimes taking five minutes into the game to get going and recently more like 10 minutes. They need to come out aggressive.
 

And Wagner, if he gets a look he has to take it. As good a player as he is, hesitating to shoot the ball with open looks is actually hurting the team. Will be interesting to see how they respond. Seems to be nothing but huge games every night. 

mi93

March 4th, 2021 at 3:26 PM ^

illannoy may have put out a book, but only 1-2 other teams in the country have the talent to replicate it.

I'm more interested in going back to see how staee stopped illannoy (other than pushing and shoving) because staee doesn't have the same speed at guard as illannoy.

WIN THE GAME

txgobluegirl

March 4th, 2021 at 3:30 PM ^

"One thing you can say for Michigan State is there sure is a lot of it."

Funniest thing I've heard about MSU in a loooooonnnngggg time.  I feel like we all stepped in a large dog turd....

Yo_Blue

March 4th, 2021 at 3:30 PM ^

For once, can we run down Izzo when he wanders on the court? Please? Truck that little bastard into the third row. Most of the game he thinks he's a player 

Ramblin

March 4th, 2021 at 3:37 PM ^

This is just one of those games...  I hate to say this, but I feel exactly like I did before the football game this year.  I expect horrible calls to go against us.  BPONE in full effect.  You could make a living betting on Sparty in games like this.  Sucks, but true.  Hope I'm wrong.

N. Campus Tech

March 4th, 2021 at 4:07 PM ^

I'm so nervous about this game. Put any other jersey in this MSU squad and they get run out of the gym. 

I'm fully expecting someone who never makes threes for MSU to go 7/9 from deep. The game will be a slow, sludgefart of a game. MSU will hack at every chance they get and won't get called for half of them. M will get called for every ticky tacky foul you can imagine. Lives and Wagner will combine for 2/23 from 3. Izzo will roam free on the court.

Illinois exposed M's weaknesses, but MSU shouldn't have the talent to exploit them. 

Goblueman

March 4th, 2021 at 4:37 PM ^

Stats,matchups,refs be damned,this game boils down to whether the Illinois ass whipping effected Mich's confidence level.Michigan is a veteran, talented, tight knit team so my guess is the Boyz bounce back and send that whiny Little Bitch back to EL with his tail between his legs.