[Patrick Barron]

On Harbaugh Watch 2023 Comment Count

Seth January 3rd, 2023 at 4:37 PM

The short version is I don't know anything. But I can't focus on UFR, and threw out a Neck Sharpies, and already updated my starts and snaps data for the year, so we might as well talk about it.

What's the evidence that Harbaugh is pursuing NFL jobs?

Credible reporters say so. Bruce Feldman reported "multiple sources close to Jim Harbaugh" believe he would take an NFL coaching job if it was offered. One source used the "done deal" phrasing.

Feldman is a guy we are pretty sure Harbaugh or at least his staff have a strong rapport with.

John U Bacon has a source who says it's serious, and has to do with frustration with college football:

Carolina Panthers beat reporters are pretty sure Harbaugh spoke with their owner.

That is more than enough smoke to take seriously. I do not believe these reporters would lie, or use sources who might lead them astray. Harbaugh is taking NFL calls.

[After THE JUMP: Evidence to the contrary, what does your heart tell you?]

What's the evidence that Harbaugh is staying at Michigan (you know, other than what he said a month ago)?

All circumstantial. The strongest one is that Harbaugh has an agent this time, and the contract he accepted after the 2020 season, which was reworked and extended last year, feels long past due for an upgrade.

Harbaugh's son is liking tweets that mock the media for reporting Harbaugh to NFL rumors.

Friend of Harbaugh Todd Anson has been critical of the media sharing the story, and while not 100% committal, believes Harbaugh would stay true to his word.

Anson also noted that last year it came out that Harbaugh had told recruits he was interesting in the NFL still, whereas this year he was telling them he plans to be at Michigan in 2023.

Kunkel's read on the situation might be a little pipe-dreamy, considering he also reported this:

Of all the reporting on this, the thing I have the hardest time believing is Jim Harbaugh told someone he feared competition.

C'mon Seth, I know you talk to people, or they talk to you. Don't you have any idea what's going to happen?

I'm as curious as anyone, but I also don't think it's worth anyone's time for me to badger people. I'm not a breaking news guy, and if I suddenly fancied myself one I'm hardly likely to become a better one than the extraordinary professionals who cover Michigan.

I thought he promised he was staying.

Here's Jim Harbaugh to Mitch Albom after flying to Minneapolis last year not expecting to be back:

“There was a tugging at me that I was once that close to a Super Bowl and I didn’t get it. Some NFL jobs came open. I was contacted by the (Minnesota) Vikings. For better or for worse, it was something I wanted to explore. I went in thinking, ‘I’m gonna have 100 percent conviction on this, and if they (Minnesota) have 100 percent conviction on this, then it’s something I’m gonna do.” …

“I called Warde (Manuel, the Michigan athletic director) and I asked him if he wanted me to be the head coach. And he said, ‘Yes, 100 percent.’ And I said, OK then. That’s what I want to do.'

“And I told him, ‘Warde, this will not be a reoccurring theme every year. This was a one-time thing.”

Here's Jim Harbaugh to Tom VanHaaren as NFL jobs started to open up last December:

"That time of the year type of speculation, but I think no man knows the future," Harbaugh said. "But I think that people that think we've done a good job and are pleased with the job that we've done here at Michigan, they're going to be very happy to learn that we will be back enthusiastically coaching the Wolverines in 2023. And for those people that don't approve of the job we've done or would rather see somebody else coaching here, I think they'll be most likely disappointed to learn we'll be back coaching the Wolverines and in 2023." …

"It's really biblical, no man knows the future. I can't make vows of what's going to happen or what's not going to happen," Harbaugh said. "If you don't mind, I ask you a question. I mean, there's tremendous coaches right here in our league: Ryan Day, Greg Schiano, Bret Bielema, Jeff Brohm. I could go on and on, P.J. Fleck.

"I think, the job that they've done, they deserve to be asked the same question."

The headline we all took from this conversation was "Will be enthusiastically coaching the Wolverines in 2023." That was enough to skip "I can't make vows" and "no man knows the future." It is a completely fair reading of this statement. It is also completely fair to read "This will not be a reoccurring theme every year. This was a one-time thing," as a promise not to slam the football program into a roadblock while he interviews for outs a second time.

What jobs are being discussed?

For the moment, the Broncos, the Panthers, and maybe the Colts. That is also the entire list of open NFL jobs at the moment, but more will open up after the Super Bowl.

Colin Cowherd reported that as of yesterday afternoon the Broncos offer is for $20 million/year for Harbaugh, which is more than twice what the average NFL coach makes, and twice what the richest NCAA coaches make. Cowherd also said Sean Payton is the #1 choice (in the whole market), and would be offered "mid-20s" IE a lot more.

People remember Harbaugh on the Colts. Harbaugh is in the Ring of Honor (and Marlin Jackson is not, which feels weird). But NFL people think that situation—with a meddlesome owner and a GM with a strong fence around his territory—is too like the 49ers.

Has Jim Harbaugh slammed the football program into a roadblock while he interviews for outs a second time?

Yes. He also can remove it at any time.

Is this going to hurt the program?

It is unless there are stronger assurances given. Since 24 hours of reporting have already elapsed without Harbaugh shooting the speculation down, it's quite clear now that last year wasn't a "one-time thing." Anyone who took Harbaugh's recommitment to Michigan last year at his word now has to doubt it. If we go through the entire NFL carousel again and get the same recommitment, nobody's going to trust it.

There is a way to end the speculation: work out out a new contract with Michigan that has the kind of buyout that secures both sides to each other. Right now that buyout is $3 million, which is nothing to an NFL team. Michigan has an equally paltry buyout if they wanted to end the relationship, which seemed wise at the time. Two years later, things are bit different.

What does Michigan do if he leaves?

I can't begin to answer that now. If they go internal, Moore is the obvious choice, but none of these guys has ever been a college head coach.

What do you think is happening?

There are two scenarios that fit the information before us.

SCENARIO 1: HARBAUGH WANTS BACK IN THE NFL

After 2020, and the subsequent contract negotiations with Michigan, it is entirely plausible that Harbaugh decided he's going to take the next NFL ladder that comes his way. There wasn't going to be one in January 2021, and in January 2022 he met with the Vikings expecting to have the job and came away empty. His assurances were necessary to do his job—after that he couldn't say "Yeah, I'm going to the next NFL team that takes me"—but pointedly did not come with a contract renegotiation that would have made those assurances more than words. As soon as the 2022 season was over, Harbaugh let his people know he's interested in NFL jobs again, and has been fielding calls. If/when one offers what he's looking for (probably a level of personnel control) he's gone.

SCENARIO 2: HARBAUGH IS RENEGOTIATING WITH AN AGENT

As I understand it, this is the first time Harbaugh's using an agent—the 2015 deal was done with Hackett at an airport bar and included things like what color the yellow has to be. The 2020 deal was just Manuel and Harbaugh. Agents know to do things like put it out there that James Franklin's name has been linked to the USC and LSU openings. If Michigan's negotiating a contract with Harbaugh's agent right now, that agent is telling Harbaugh don't deny anything. If NFL teams call to discuss their positions, and it gets reported that those teams called, and that puts pressure on Michigan to give Harbaugh whatever he desires, that's an agent's job well done. If fans have a conniption fit in the meantime, that's their problem, so long as this gets done before it damages recruiting.

Given Harbaugh left himself an out in his statement in December, and the tenor of reporting on this, and the absurdity of the numbers being thrown out there for NFL coaching jobs, I would guess it's 60% the top one.

What do you think will happen?

One aspect of this that might be playing a role is the market for football talent and the market for coaching talent are suddenly coming from the same pool. Yes, this was already true to a degree—when Alabama paid a guy named Tosh over $1 million/year it wasn't because Tosh was keeping all of it. But the way NIL is working out is donors are being diverted to collectives that in turn pay the players a salary. Those are the same donors who've often been called upon to soak up big coaching contracts (and buyouts). Michigan hasn't had any big asks lately, but nobody in college is in a position to throw insane money at the coach right now with so many new hands to feed.

Another aspect is that Harbaugh is 58 and being a college football coach is much harder, if more secure, than being an NFL coach. The older he gets the harder that gets, so long-term security is no longer top of mind. If Harbaugh's ever going to win a Super Bowl, his window to start building that team is the next five years. If he's ever going to have the leverage to demand the kind of control and trust he wants to do that, it's now. Michigan may be a favorite to win the Big Ten and return to the Playoff in 2023, but that's an extraordinarily hard thing to do even if you're good enough.

Harbaugh might also feel that he's leaving Michigan in a good place (2nd base at the very least). Ideally, were it his intention to go back to the NFL, he'd have lined up a successor on staff and spent a year pointing to that guy. Also ideally Michigan would be preparing for a national championship right now instead of huddled around waiting for coach to tell us if he wants to be here. If it turns out he does, this time I'm going to need a second source.

Comments

UMBSnMBA

January 3rd, 2023 at 4:45 PM ^

I think the timing for a departure might actually not be terrible if one is going to occur.  They promote one of their great younger coaches (or two of them) to keep the continuity of the staff and rapport with players / recruits.  Then they give them the keys to a top-5 team next year.  I think the engine just keeps purring.  Of course, those guys will think that they hit a triple ...

TeslaRedVictorBlue

January 3rd, 2023 at 4:54 PM ^

Nobody that is currently on the team's coaching staff - from what I know and understand - will run the team the way Jimmy did. In some ways, that's bad - e.g. emphasis on OSU, clearly the boss, winning history as a head coach at all levels, Michigan man. But in others maybe not as bad, or at least TBD - nobody is going to run that same offense where we slam our running backs into a wall until the wall falls down. I don't think that's how Moore or Weiss will run it if they are retained or running the show.

I'll maintain that Jimmy wanted to win it all this year and ride off into the sunset. And with this year's weaker final 4 cast, this was the perfect opportunity and we didnt even make it to the final. He may feel like he needs a new challenge - as he's done at every stop where he's gotten so close, but fallen short.

JhnnyHelp

January 3rd, 2023 at 7:33 PM ^

If I remember correctly, Matt Weiss may have had a small role in those Harbaugh to the Vikings meetings. It’s my opinion that he would be taking Weiss with him to the NFL if he goes. If that’s the case, then I would hope an internal successor like Moore would hire a proven OC, preferably with head coaching experience. 
 

On a side note, if Harbaugh goes to Carolina, maybe he and Biff Poggi can be neighbors. 

Indiana Blue

January 3rd, 2023 at 4:48 PM ^

Wait ... so there seems to be a number of NFL teams interested in wanting Coach Harbaugh. And in the no surprise category, Warde Manual has yet to publicly state that he hopes Coach Harbaugh will continue to coach the Michigan Wolverines ....  huh ???

Go Blue!

ldevon1

January 3rd, 2023 at 5:08 PM ^

So it's Warde's fault Harbaugh can't get the NFL out of his system. I'm not sure what people don't understand about this. It's not a money thing it's a Superbowl thing. His brother has one and he wants one. It's not about Warde kissing his ass, or giving him a blank check. It's an itch he hasn't gotten out of his system.

Denard In Space

January 3rd, 2023 at 4:49 PM ^

The whole thing is so annoying to me. How in the world will this not cost us at least in some capacity? Doesn't this have a good chance of killing the Harbor recruitment, no less the Jadyn Davis one? I just am so over this self-sabotage. I hope he leaves and quickly at this point just so we're done with this uncertainty for good. 

Bill22

January 3rd, 2023 at 5:55 PM ^

Careful what you wish for.  I wasn’t sure how I would feel about Harbaugh leaving last year until I saw a local news story that implied he had taken the Vikings job.  My heart was in my throat.

Based on our team’s performance this season, my instinct was correct.  We are better with him than without him.  If he doesn’t want to be at Michigan any longer, then so be it.  But we will NOT be better off without him.

Denard In Space

January 3rd, 2023 at 6:28 PM ^

I used to completely agree with you during the Fire Harbaugh era in that there was no sensible upgrade / successor to be had. In spite of these insufferable media games, Jim is a great coach, so he did a very good job rebuilding the culture and hiring genuinely outstanding coaches who could realistically succeed him.  With Sherrone, not only do we have one of the best recruiters in the country, but one of the best OL coaches too. I would rather just move on and focus energy on establishing a solid 2024 class than be in another weeks-long limbo.  

1VaBlue1

January 3rd, 2023 at 6:35 PM ^

"But we will NOT be better off without him."

You don't know that.  Chances are pretty good its true, but nobody knows that until a replacement is here and coaching.  I said the same thing ad nauseum in 2020 - when a change is made its a roll of the dice on better or worse.  You do the best you can do to find someone suitable, and it either works or it doesn't.  

Now, the bar has been set pretty damn high the last two years, so it's more likely a replacement wouldn't do as well.  But we could also end up with a Dykes type - get to the NCG in year 1.

JonnyHintz

January 3rd, 2023 at 9:42 PM ^

Barring a mass exodus of the roster, year 1 does set up pretty nicely for whoever does (hypothetically) take over. Schedule is really favorable and we return a pretty large portion of the contribution from this season. 
 

Long-term is more of a question mark obviously, but it’s extremely likely it starts out really well and that’s something that could be built upon.

trueblue262

January 4th, 2023 at 2:49 PM ^

I think question #1 to Moore (or any candidate) should be.......do you see yourself as an NFL coach down the road? Otherwise, we have this issue again and again. I think other coaches are asked this by AD's as well. You dont see alot of HCs jumping to NFL every year. Some just have no interest in it, and some do. I would avoid the latter

Catchafire

January 3rd, 2023 at 6:24 PM ^

I'm still on top of the world.  And if Harbaugh leaves, I'm happy he is leaving on top... Just as players aspire to play in the NFL, coaches worth their salt are too.  

Saban has won it all in college and is the greatest college football coach ever, but he couldn't do shit in the NFL.  Pete Carrol excelled in college and NFL; so did Harbaugh.

Thanks coach for everything.

Michigan Arrogance

January 3rd, 2023 at 5:09 PM ^

I was thinking the same thing. I guess I understand not pointing to one or two things, but from a 10,000 ft view, CFB is just moving to the NFL model. 

  • expand playoff
  • pay players
  • expang conf to be coast to coast.

Not sure that the big picture isn't focusing into something almost identical to the NFL. Only difference is there are no contracts, so players could xfer once a month if they wish.

Amaznbluedoc

January 4th, 2023 at 10:54 PM ^

Precisely, think about scheming for the playoffs.  The drama of aiming for the perfect season goes away, one strategizes to play well enough to meet the threshold, and ensure that players are healthy for the playoffs.  I'm not saying that's bad per se, though that's the direction CFB is heading.  Add in the NIL, effects of the portal, constant recruiting challenges, and the allure of being a CFB coach diminishes.

Jim has proven that he can put together winning seasons anywhere he goes, but he's yet to win the big one at any level.  He's a competitor and perhaps the changing landscape of CFB is making the NFL a bit more attractive?

MadMonkey

January 3rd, 2023 at 5:53 PM ^

Doesn't it just mean that College football is now just an inferior version of the NFL?   It is JV vs varsity.

I have been beating a lonely drum for years that I would love to see a number of teams like Michigan, Notre Dame, USC, Washington, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Penn State, Vanderbilt, etc. . . break from the "pro-lite" version of college football and create a new amateur model that looked like an elite version of D3 competition.

I usually love innovation and change.  But, I am atavistic in my hopes for Michigan football and a subset of teams to create a superior amateur model.

College football was interesting to me precisely because it was a vastly different "product" than pro football.  Now, it is a poorly governed cheap imitation.

I guess I need to find a D3 team to follow and support.  Michigan has had two fantastic seasons of entertaining football.   But, it was less fun for me than some of the frustrating seasons of a couple decades ago.

Bluesince89

January 3rd, 2023 at 7:37 PM ^

I mean, I think you have a very unrealistic view of what college football and basketball have been for a long, long, long time. Basically, since inception. Read Duderstadt’s book for a nice history. They have always been a form of mass entertainment. Some of the first college players weren’t even college students. If you want to go to this model, do you crater the stadiums, get rid of the TV deals, scholarships, raise academic standards to basically require admission on equal footing with the rest of the student body? (yes, I realize a lot of people get in based on legacy or someone makes a donation, but that’s not as common here)

ERdocLSA2004

January 3rd, 2023 at 6:22 PM ^

It means it’s precisely those things.  Harbaugh has always been a traditional coach.  Remember how he was hating on Michigan for their lower academic standards when he was at Stanford?  He believes in the student athlete, raising boys to be men, high character, doing well in school, that all schools should be held to the same standards, and old school smash mouth football.  Does that sound anything like our current college game?  Add in recruiting which makes this a true year round job which no coach likes, and you’re left with very few things that makes the college game special to him and many of us.  The NFL means you don’t have to recruit, there really is more of an even playing field, guys have contract, etc etc.  why wouldn’t you rather do that?

BoMo

January 3rd, 2023 at 7:34 PM ^

Agree and then transfer portal, NIL (which he is for but has no control over its execution) and a hectic, year-round job is even more so.  Not that I feel sorry for someone getting paid millions per year to be revered coaching a game--but I have to think NFL at this point is much more attractive.

moldee_raspberry

January 3rd, 2023 at 8:15 PM ^

Even though I want him to stay at M and will respect whatever he chooses to do, if he doesn’t consistently win again at the professional football level, I would hate to see him sacked like Beilein, who could’ve had a statue cast in bronze outside Crisler if he’d stayed. Instead he lost massive face with a short-sighted move born of mis-calculated ambition. I still respect Coach JB, but man, that move showcased a grown man’s naïveté in a manner few other decisions quite can. Would hate to see JH endure the same humiliation. He has provided too much for us. Grateful to have enjoyed his leadership of this team while I could. 

tjohn7

January 3rd, 2023 at 4:52 PM ^

Last offseason was exhausting. I'm not doing that again. 

If he wants to leave, leave.

If he wants to stay, stay.

I'll be fine with whatever he chooses.

WestQuad

January 3rd, 2023 at 5:26 PM ^

Harbaugh sort of sucks. We had some pretty good years that weren't quite great and then 2020.  Last year was awesome, but he totally sucked the joy out of it by flirting with the Vikings.  This year was even better, but this flirting thing, after he said he wouldn't, is killing the joy again this year.  He's like a cheating significant other.  The highs are great, but they aren't worth it if he isn't going to commit.   The Bo/Mo/Llo years had some ups and downs, but we basically had 40 really good years where we knew what we were going to get and could feel superior to most everyone else.  

I laughed and laughed when Saban left MSU for LSU.   ...and when Kelley left ND for LSU.   MSU and ND are second choices.   Harbaugh is putting us in the same situation.  

G_d dammit Harbaugh, just tell me it ain't so.  Tell me I'm pretty and the NFL means nothing to you...

Seriously I should be fantasizing about Corum coming back not worrying about if Harbaugh is.

readyourguard

January 3rd, 2023 at 4:53 PM ^

Personally, I'm not buying any of it.  Don't care what any source who works for a pay site says.
Jim isn't afraid of competition.  He isn't money hungry.  And he's always been a man of his word.

 

Leonhall

January 3rd, 2023 at 5:23 PM ^

I mean it’s common sense, no way he’d go to Denver with Mahomes and Herbert AND hardly any way to rebuild the broncos to contend with either the chiefs or chargers. He does not need the broncos job, they need him, he’s got leverage and no way he’s going to that division with those 2 teams and their young qbs 

rice4114

January 3rd, 2023 at 6:36 PM ^

Coach took a losing (previous season(s) program up against one of the great programs of all time.

Stanford/USC

Michigan/OSU

TWICE! Oh and bullied both of the storied programs.

He isnt worried about NFL talent vs NFL talent. Hell he probably thinks he is on more equal footing than being here. We will see he has done more than his far share for us. People need to stop letting the media get them all fired up. If he goes then he leaves as a legend in my book. Beyond wins and losses righting this OSU ship seemed near impossible.