this TD Gray gave up in the 2018 spring game is now against a Nebraska walk-on[Patrick Barron]

This Battlestar Galactica Analogy Is Neither Tortured Nor Labored, Thank You Comment Count

Brian November 2nd, 2020 at 12:04 PM

10/31/2020 – Michigan 24, Michigan State 27, 1-1

At some point over the weekend I was hungry and not in the mood to do something that required time, so I smeared some cream cheese on a heel of bread. When I bit into it, it was vastly more stale than I expected. But it is what I had signed up for. So I ate it.

It was unpleasant, but eventually it was over. And then I did something else. Silver lining: column theme.

I appear to be over it. This is not a decision I've undertaken, it's just what happened after the game: not much. I have become the popular internet meme.

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We're at the Final Season Of Battlestar Galactica stage of Michigan football. (Spoilers for the aughts reboot of Battlestar Galactica follow.) Things really started to go off the rails for Battlestar when the season four finale dramatically revealed five main characters as secret Cylons without any setup, explanation, or plan. They just heard "The Joker and The Thief"—a song that does not exist in their society—and were suddenly activated. Then Starbuck blew up in a plane and mysteriously returned, again without explanation.

I kept watching, but my previous enthusiasm for the show waned. Eventually I was just watching out of habit and hoping against hope that somehow the people writing this suddenly absurd show could pull a rabbit out of their butt. Instead there's like a mystical piano(?) Starbuck plays that leads them to a prehistoric Earth. Then she pops out of existence. Literally! One minute she's talking to Edward James Olmos and then she says some sort of koan and disappears.

There were some poignant moments in there but when it was over I experienced relief that I didn't have to pay attention to it any more. I groaned "oh, come on!" on a weekly basis. This analogy is airtight.

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So the Black Pit Of Negative Expectations was ephemeral. Mad during game; as soon as it was over* apathy set in. This is for the best.

We're in year six of Jim Harbaugh, who has done well enough that no one would ever fire him lest the Curse of Frank Solich descend upon them as it has Nebraska. Harbaugh has done progressively worse against Ohio State, getting nuked the last two years, and is now set to go up against Justin Fields and a zillion five star receivers with one decent cornerback and four guys who run like Wario. He just lost to MSU as a more than three-touchdown favorite. Damning stats follow him around. This was a new one I saw this week: 1-9 in the final two games of the season.

People can talk about firing coordinators or even the head coach. The former won't matter; the latter won't happen. I picked the GIF version of the meme above because it repeats infinitely, one reset after another, an endless weary parade of going again.

*[Actually it turns out before it was over: I turned the game off after MSU recovered the onside kick because I thought Michigan had two timeouts and there were 37 seconds left. It turns out Michigan got bailed out of their initial timeout by the officials? This was not explained, and the chyron said two timeouts.]

[After THE JUMP: press cover defense with nobody who can run]

AWARDS

Known Friends and Trusted Agents Of The Week

you're the man now, dog

-2535ac8789d1b499[1]#1 Giles Jackson. Just 58 yards on his seven catches but had a lot of tough ones in their, none more than the third down conversion where he got lit up. Also had a kickoff return almost to midfield. Just eight targets. Established himself as a receiver in this one.

#2 Dax Hill. This isn't about Hill's statistical impact but the impact of Jayden Reed, who had one catch. Reed looked like MSU's most dangerous receiver by some distance against Rutgers, and the few times MSU tested Hill he was up to the task.

#3 Joe Milton. I guess? Milton had his issues but Michigan put it all on his plate when their run game checked in nonexistent; he was able to zip in a bunch of slants in tight windows and dealt with a lot of pressure.

Honorable mention: I had a hard time coming up with three. Roman Wilson, Kwity Paye, and Hassan Haskins poked  their noses out.

KFaTAotW Standings. (Scoring: 8 points for first, 5 for second, 3 for third, 1 for HM. Points from ties adjudicated by an ankylosaur named Sharon.)

11: Joe Milton (#1 Minnesota, #3 MSU)
8: Giles Jackson(#1 MSU)
5: Dax Hill (#2 MSU)
4: Kwity Paye(T2 Minnesota, HM MSU)
3: Aidan Hutchinson(T2 Minnesota), Michael Barrett(#3 Minnesota)
2: Hassan Haskins(HM Minnesota, HM MSU)
1: Ben Mason (HM Minnesota), Jaylen Mayfield (HM Minnesota), Ronnie Bell(HM Minnesota), Roman Wilson (HM MSU)

Who's Got It Better Than Us(?) Of The Week

Made pancakes before the game. Seriously, folks, Kenji Lopez-Alt's pancake recipe is the truth. Yes you gotta whisk the egg whites. I didn't do it, and then I did, and I was mad that he was right. You can skip that step. I did it for you. (Mostly: you can get away with soft peaks.)

Honorable mention: Michigan never led against a three-touchdown underdog. So no.

image?MARCUS HALL EPIC DOUBLE BIRD OF THE WEEK.

A rich symphony to choose from but this space takes the deep bomb on a double move that Gray didn't even bite on.

Honorable mention: several other bombs on which Michigan could not contest. Several other passes, many of them into the sideline, on which their interference was undeniable.

OFFENSE

Fool's gold. A sense of foreboding descended as Maryland eviscerated Minnesota to the tune of 675 yards on Friday night. Maryland put up 3 points on Northwestern. They put up 45 on Minnesota and it should have been worse. And then.

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Filiaga did not pass off his guy and also got knocked over by him

So much for the pickups. MSU repeatedly got pressure on basic DE/DT twists. These led to a discussion on the broadcast about how MSU was nerfing attempted Milton QB draws, but to my eye those were Milton bugging out because he got pressure immediately. He went up the middle, probably because those DE/DT twists were driving the guards back so far that exiting left or right was not an option.

This is a thing I have to sit down with in more detail before making a proclamation but this is likely to be a straight-up protection disaster.

Meanwhile on the ground Michigan was constantly blowing run IDs, doubling DEs who were plunging inside and allowing linebackers free reign. I'm at a loss. MSU being able to hold up better is one thing. Michigan being unprepared for the obvious response to their approach in week one is another.

Milton: limited. Joel Klatt was on point when he said that everything Milton throws is driven. That's why Michigan's offense is currently so slant-dependent. He's had two downfield attempts this year. Both were posts that were literally 10-20 yards off. He has not thrown a lofted fly route. There was a downfield zing to Wilson, but this too is driven:

Once MSU figured out he wasn't going to go downfield they started playing a compressed cover three that made his windows extremely tight. He was able to whistle it by a few linebackers, but all the easy stuff from last week was suddenly throwing into NFL level windows.

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threading the needle

Unless Milton shows that he can hit the deep sideline that's going to be the rest of his year.

You have a wildcat quarterback, he is your quarterback. Michigan got too cute by half when they went wildcat on two goal-to-go snaps in the second quarter. The second was a throw that Antjuan Simmons got a hand on; Carter Selzer was open in the back of the endzone but Haskins threw it too flat. Because he's a running back.

Michigan did not run Joe Milton until a third of the game was gone, and I'm not sure they had more than one or two pure QB runs in the game. They played off the pin and pull by giving a touch pass to Mason going the other way and throwing slants off that action; they never actually ran Milton. You don't have to run pin and pull that they've prepped for, there are other things to do.

Haskins and Corum looked good, at least. Neither was given a ton of opportunities because of the blocking and Michigan's platooning but Corum dusted a guy on the edge—this was not repeated—and Haskins ran through some guys authoritatively.

The five minute drill! Michigan got the ball back down ten with 5 minutes left. They took over four of those scoring one (one) touchdown and were forced into an onside kick. Milton kept checking down. This was not entirely his fault because his protection was bad, but at some point you have to unleash the dragon, man. This more than anything else makes me think Milton is hesitant to throw deep because he keeps missing.

This continues a theme under Harbaugh: deeply incompetent clock management. They didn't screw it up last week against Minnesota, but I mean… we now know some more things about Minnesota.

DEFENSE

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You run a press man defense and haven't recruited corners who can run for three years. 80% of the loss right there. Michigan's corner recruiting has been abominable and Michigan just reaped the whirlwind. Selected highlights from the recruiting profiles of folks in the conversation this offseason:

  • VINCENT GRAY: "Gray's ability to run is in some question. Upward mobility in the rankings was all but impossible after a 4.76 40 at an Opening regional last April."
  • JALEN PERRY: "UGA wouldn't let Perry enroll early and wanted him to play safety … Lacks top-end speed and agility to be a cover CB at the next level." (There were a couple of more positive takes from earlier in his recruitment cycle; the overall picture was not "unquestioned burner.")
  • SAMMY FAUSTIN: "… doesn’t have great makeup speed. He doesn’t seem to be a difference-maker from an athletic perspective at the next level … He is not the most explosive kid and can work on his flexibility"
  • DJ TURNER: "ESPN's listed combine numbers for him are solidly in the "meh" department, with a 4.63 40 and several other numbers that were middling for cornerbacks .. Even [his] top 20 SPARQ at the Opening didn't see Turner get out of the 4.6s in his 40."

The one exception? Gemon Green:

makes up ground in a hurry and plays the ball well. … Because he is so athletic, he's been known to overreact and overcommit to well-run routes .. He can also get on the hip and stay with the fast receivers on long routes.

Green got hit with one bomb but on that play he got a hand in on the ball. Gray… did not. And nobody else on the roster is likely to be better except for Andre Seldon. Darion Green-Warren is a top 200 corner who also has a bunch of people dumping on his athleticism.

Jeff Hecklinski, the Hoke-era WR coach infamous for saying "speed can be taught", may as well have put together the corner room.

So they grabbed. Klatt spent much of the game questioning the calls Michigan was picking up in the secondary. He is correct that Michigan is very grabby and that normally they get away with a lot of it. He was incorrect that the kind of grabbing Michigan was doing against MSU was similar to the grabbing they've done in previous seasons. There are grabs you can get away with, like Delano Hill against BYU:

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subtle, crafty [Bryan Fuller]

Michigan's penalty issues in this game came because they were making arms-extended yanks that are not shielded from view. They were not tools being deployed by a craftsman who knows how to get an extra edge. Most were full-on panic. Green reached over the shoulder of a WR and pulled him back in full view of a side judge. At one point Gray attempted to yank a WR's arm out of the socket on a ball that sailed.

(No, it wasn't  uncatchable enough to be ruled uncatchable. If there's a chance the Charles Woodson MSU interception might happen they don't call it uncatchable. That ball lands inbounds.)

My reaction to almost all penalties was outrage, replay, "ah, shit."*

The one outrage on the day was on Mike Sainristil, who got mugged on third down without a call. That was neither subtle nor crafty, but it didn't get called. Ah, shit.

*[Entertaining subplot: when I tweeted something about none of the calls being borderline some of the internet's best and brightest told me I should stop complaining about the officials.]

The 3-3-5 still doesn't work as a run defense. The Florida game where Michigan first broke out the 3-3-5 was the first game of the 2017 season. Don Brown has had three full seasons to observe the performance of his 3-3-5 on standard downs and is still running it out there. Here a converted fullback gets his blitz picked up and gets ejected across the formation:

This didn't work last year when your SAM was Josh Uche and the DT situation was much more dire. Continuing now is stubbornness completely unconnected from hundreds of snaps of reality.

Meanwhile in pickups. On the other side of the stunt pickups: Michigan barely got through against a team down its starting center and, eventually, a guard. Michigan's DEs went from supermen against Minnesota to anonymous. I have not seen a clear hold on either, just a lot of borderline stuff that almost never gets called.

Much of the rest of the stuff that happened in this game is extremely disappointing but at least makes sense. We knew corner was an issue; we knew there were a lot of new starters on the OL; we knew Milton was going to have some issues. Kwity Paye and Aidan Hutchinson getting shut off by Michigan State's OL is bizarre. Absurd. Despicable. I'm going full Jackie Chiles about it.

SPECIAL TEAMS

Well? Giles Jackson had a 38-yard kick return and a 32-yard punt return? Caveat: that 32-yard punt return was fielded at the two, briefly entered the endzone, and was almost down at the three. Good job, never do that again.

The only other thing of note was a big gap in raw average between the punters. Bryce Baringer averaged 54 yards a kick; Michigan split duties between Hart and Robbins, apparently using the latter as a pooch punter, and got about 40 total. Robbins (and Jake McCurry) did drop one at the two.

MISCELLANEOUS

Some weird decisions in this one. This game was one play—a review of that third down conversion or a missed 51-yard field goal—from being in overtime, or even a Michigan win, and at that point several bizarre decisions by Mel Tucker get a lot more scrutiny: setting up a fourth and two by running on third and six and then attempting a 40 yard field goal, which missed. Doing that a second time. Running on third and long when Michigan's corners are a walking PI/holding flag.

The signals were disconcerting. The "MOVE" gambit from the Army game last year got flagged. You can hear McGrone bark something very close to "HUT" as Michigan's line shifts:

Michigan is clearly hoping this happens—there is immediate we-got-em clapping. McGrone tries to play it off; the intent is clear, and that's a flag.

Blindside block calls are out of control. This MSU screen got called back because the WR blocking down on Ross catches him unaware and puts him on the ground:

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That's a good block. It's not the WR's fault that Ross's awareness is poor on this play. This isn't the kind of violent cheapshot that this rule was initially supposed to address. Those feature two guys running full bore, usually on special teams. This is a WR hitting a stationary linebacker.

Michigan was the beneficiary of a similarly iffy call against Minnesota. I understand the intent of the rule but it's expanded past protecting players from dangerous hits.

ELSEWHERE

As is tradition after crushing losses I haven't been on the internet, so we'll try to wrap some links into UV tomorrow.

Comments

DetroitBlue

November 2nd, 2020 at 2:02 PM ^

I’ll take the negs because they don’t matter and people are pissed, but he is a whiny, entitled bitch. On top of that - we didn’t lose that game because of recruiting, we lost it due to terrible game plans, no energy and lack of preparation. But sure, our inability to recruit CB and DL puts a hard ceiling on the program (but it’s not why we lost to staee). 

1145SoFo

November 2nd, 2020 at 12:52 PM ^

In context, my interpretation of the recruiting comments was how big of an issue this was when all you do is play press man. Also Brian was calling out attributes of the corners (speed) not matching the scheme. Going and simply finding high ranked transfers is not necessarily addressing this issue.

MSU just beat us with mostly 2~3*. Know what you have, and use it accordingly.

mGrowOld

November 2nd, 2020 at 1:09 PM ^

Yes, recruiting is a problem and only the most maize & blue goggle-wearing homers would deny that....when matched up against OSU, PSU & Alabama's of the college world.  Cant be or beat an elite team with middling talent.  100% co-signed and have agreed with you repeatidly over the years on that point.

But the loss on Saturday had NOTHING to do with the talent on our roster or lack thereof.  MSU's recruiting has been ass even when Marky-Mark was still there and has plummeted since then.  Our roster runs circles around their's from a star standpoint.

Saturday was about one coaching staff spending the time to learn a weakness and exploit it over and over while the other was slamming square pegs into round holes and refusing to adjust..  Saturday was one team fired up and hitting and while the other went through the motions with little to no fire (watch the clip of the big Milton run and the absolute dearth of Michigan enthusiasm afterwards) and excitement.  Saturday was one team making a series of crippling mistakes while the other played relatively clean ball.

We didnt lose on Saturday because our recruiting was bad - that'll have to wait for PSU & OSU.  Saturday was because our coaching was bad and the team was flat.

And that's ALL on Harbaugh.

schreibee

November 2nd, 2020 at 3:42 PM ^

I actually had to quit watching the Amazon show for that very reason! 

That was when I first developed my theory that Harbaugh had quit drinking after his DUI while at USD. I've never heard it discussed, but he looks much thinner & acts SO differently than he used to (he patronized the bar I ran back when he was the Raidaz QB coach on a few occasions).

He was a back-slapping, jolly, holding court type then. He is not that guy anymore! 

ERdocLSA2004

November 2nd, 2020 at 4:44 PM ^

Agree on all accounts.  I’m also sick of the team entitlement attitude that Harbaugh has fostered.  From the cheap attempts by Mcgrone to get them to false start, the shoe untying, the revenge tour, the trash talk, etc, etc.  Year after year these teams act like they have accomplished greatness and are so elite.  So much cockiness and arrogance is seen every year for teams that have never beat OSU or won a big ten title and that have at least one inexplicable loss every year.

LKLIII

November 2nd, 2020 at 5:38 PM ^

Four things stand out in the past year or two:

All of this strikes me as nonsense that a quality defense just doesn't do, at least not that much. They're getting too cute by half.  It's either because they *know* they aren't good enough to hold up & are resorting to cheap tricks, or because their coaches are unfocused on the BIG ticket items (insisting unathletic DBs rep man-press over & over again instead of working with what one has & changing the coverage scheme accordingly).  

To me, it sounds like coaching arrogance.

It's fine to say, "the expectation is for the position," to the players--especially if you've got otherwise well-suited by raw players who just need to learn & grow into their role. But that only goes so far & that ends when there's a reasonable chance a player has maxed out their own physical limitations.  If you recruit players that simply DO NOT have the physical skillset required for the scheme you're trying to run over a period of SEVERAL CYCLES, then you need to switch out the scheme. Wishing something to be true doesn't make it so & as Brian suggested, you simply can't teach speed. 

Why on earth has Don Brown not figured this out? More important, why on early did Don Brown NOT see this coming a good 1-2 years ahead of time? 

This isn't a scenario that snuck up on him suddenly due to last minute recruiting whiffs, untimely injuries, early NFL departures, or unexpected transfers or washouts. We've been TORCHED by the OSU receiving corps for the past couple of years. Since then, (other than landing Dax Hill), we haven't landed any new recruit speedsters & we've seen the speedsters on our team leave through entirely predictable events of graduation & the NFL draft. Any layperson who had a moderate level of interest in Michigan football & recruiting could see it coming from miles away.

And yet here we are.

Previously, Don Brown would put up video game numbers for his Defense all season long, until it would fail catastrophically when put up against a team with superior offensive athletes. Usually that only happened once per year (OSU), sometimes two depending on our bowl opponent or the strength of PSU.

Was that statistical dominance good enough for Don Brown, despite the 1 or 2 annual ass-kickings we'd inevitably receive? It shouldn't be. Or at least, it shouldn't be for Coach Harbaugh.  I've said for a solid couple of years, I'd gladly see us dip in the statistical defensive rankings for the season & give up the extra few TDs to Rutgers or Maryland (and still beat them of course), if it meant the guys on D got more live game reps & mastery of additional zone & coverage schemes so they're more prepared to simply slow down an OSU later in the season.  

But maybe Don Brown was able to convince Harbaugh that wasn't the way to go.  That's fine if one could reliably recruit the athletes required to run & master that system so that it wouldn't collapse against an OSU. But it's clear that didn't happen, and now if there was *any* doubt that Don Brown's scheme is failing (due to a recruiting mismatch & failure to adjust), it's that his statistical illusion isn't even going to hold up to average teams anymore. 

He's been having a defensive statistical "Wyle E. Coyote" for a year or two as the speedy DB recruiting has fallen off.  Now that the upperclassmen are gone without anybody younger to replace them, the OSU/Bama/PSU defensive debacles are going to occur more frequently. jIt won't be limited to just 1-2 head-scratcher games per year. Now, MSU, Indiana & other teams with a handful of 1-2 speedy WRs will be able to run circles around our average DBs as Don Brown asks them to stick w/ a man press scheme. He might as well ask fish to "try harder" at climbing trees or riding bicycles.

To be very clear: I'm not blaming the kids here. They are what they are. As the Podcast from Sunday mentioned, some guys (like Blake Countess) are very crafty & can be excellent at one scheme but then just fall off when asked to do another. I have confidence that *when matched & coached up with the appropriate coverage scheme*, our current DB room is capable of producing much better results than what they showed this weekend. And that is 100% on the coaching.

Don Brown whiffed on a few speedster recruits a few years back. OK fine, that happens once in awhile & a team can make up for it by recruiting lights out at that position the next cycle. I can see sticking w/ the man press scheme for another season to see if that happens.

But it's now been a good 2-3 years of whiffing on speedsters. There is no more, "but wait just one more recruiting cycle & we will be back to normal..." It's over man, at least for the time being. EVEN THEN, recruiting droughts happen sometimes. So on that point, I still don't necessarily blame Don Brown.

What IS utterly baffling is that Don Brown has been seemingly been unable or unwilling to adjust his scheme to match the players he has in order to milk the *best* possible defensive performance out of the roster he has. His preference might be to deploy his hyper aggressive system, but right now we just don't have the horses to do it. His reluctance to either recognize that and/or make adjustments accordingly--when it's been OBVIOUS the problem has been on the horizon for quite some time--is inexcusable.

Fire Don Brown.



 

Brian Griese

November 2nd, 2020 at 12:31 PM ^

I would love to know what’s it going to take for Brian and Seth to put these words in print on this blog: “Jim Harbaugh should be fired”. 
 

They had no problems with it for Rich Rod, DB and Hoke. What is stopping them now? What is the difference between the latter two and our current situation (spare me the Morris debacle - those two sucked before that took place)?
 

I don’t get why the people that run this blog (and several commentators) seem to be comfortable that Michigan under Harbaugh is the ceiling of the program. I have no interest in arguing with people that feel that way, but if you do, let’s forget OSU for a minute and ponder this: How do you explain Harbaugh’s combined winning percentage against Iowa, Wisconsin, MSU, Notre Dame, Penn state and the bowl opponents which is below .500 (11-13 by my count)? Even if you take out the bowl games it’s 10-9 (.526). 

DetroitBlue

November 2nd, 2020 at 12:48 PM ^

Harbaugh has been a huge disappointment, but comparing him to Hoke is fucking asinine. Hoke was 31-20 (.607) in four years. Harbaugh is 48-19 (.716).

We’re nowhere close where we need to be, and I wouldn’t mind moving in another direction (but, since we’re Michigan that’ll be a trainwreck too), but he’s still vastly superior to Hoke. 

UMxWolverines

November 2nd, 2020 at 1:01 PM ^

Without Hoke's recruiting he never has a chance to be better than Hoke. 

Ask yourself, are we really any better at this point than Hoke's teams? The only thing this team really has that Hoke's 2014 team didnt is an offensive line that's okay compared to one of the worst of all time. 

It has the potential to get a lot worse, and Rutgers is obviously no slouch/automatic win anymore like they've been every year so far for Harbaugh. 

 

Brian Griese

November 2nd, 2020 at 1:10 PM ^

Harbaugh is superior in the fact he’s better at beating up on the Maryland, Rutger’s and Nebraska’s of the world than Hoke. You are right about that, no question. Look beyond the bottom feeders and you’re going to see this though under Harbaugh compared to Hoke:

  • Worse performances and results against OSU
  • Equal against ND
  • Better against MSU
  • Slightly better vs PSU and Iowa
  • Slightly worse in Bowl games 
  • Hoke never played against Wiscy 

I’m sorry, I don’t see a huge difference between the two on the meat and potatoes of the schedule. Again, yes Harbaugh has been far superior against the long time bottom feeders, but I don’t think that’s the standard of this program. 

Hoke was rotten, smelly garbage. Is Harbaugh, in the grand scheme of performance vs quality opponents, really *that* much better? To me, it’s a no, but if you disagree that’s fine. 

 

My Name is LEGIONS

November 2nd, 2020 at 8:50 PM ^

Hoke was an ace recruiter, who erred in bringing his west coast staff with him on offense...  Harbaugh is not an ace recruiter, but a better coach.

I might be deluded at the moment, but every defensive recruit we get lately, just all feel off, save for a few of the LBs Jean-Mary landed.  The DL always seem SDE in hope they get big, CBs that are tall and lanky, yet its long gone from the days of Hoke or even Carr.

Harbaugh had Mattison under his nose, and decided to pursue Brown instead... can only imagine what Mattison was thinking... unless he didn't want the job, but I doubt that.. OSU had a good idea having him be co-DC and teaching someone the ropes...   Now we find our personnel not ideal..... and I'm already seeing it.. every big game we're in, our D spots them a few TDs right away, until Brown "adjusts".

TrueBlue2003

November 3rd, 2020 at 4:14 PM ^

I'm not sure I'd say Harbaugh is a better coach.  He's just good enough to be dangerous and that's what he is.  His philosophy doesn't work in modern football but he insists and playing manball and using a FB which holds his OC back.  IMO, that's worse than just staying out of it and delegating to someone who is truly good.  Hoke didn't show the ability to delegate on the offensive side, but he might have adapted.  Harbaugh still can't let go in year 6.

I Like Burgers

November 2nd, 2020 at 3:41 PM ^

True, but that percentage is going to go down quite a bit this season and next.  They don't have the talent and coaching on this current team to get much more than 3-4 wins, and next year they are going to have all of the same issues -- no WRs, no DL, and no CBs.  That'll lead to another 4-5 loss season.

Those first two 10-3 seasons for Harbaugh are looking further and further in the rearview.

Mpfnfu Ford

November 2nd, 2020 at 12:50 PM ^

You’re remembering the last ten years very differently than how it went. Go back and re-read the Brady Hoke coverage, they spent years refusing to call for a firing. There’s a lost pod after the Kansas state bowl game humiliation they deleted because they thought they went too far. They didn’t call for Brady to go until the concussion game.

they did call for a change at OC and AD, but Borges and Brandon were so earth shatteringly incompetent that it was impossible not to. Brian has never been comfortable with doing it, and back then he explained it as being because he doesn’t see the value in it. He doesn’t see that it accomplishes much, and now you’re asking for him to do it for a guy twice as successful.

schreibee

November 2nd, 2020 at 3:51 PM ^

I would add, not just played here (very successfully) but ALSO coached very successfully at numerous stops before Michigan. 

It has been apparent that he'll never get Michigan where we want it to be (comparable to osu), but I think this msu game was the first time many of us felt maybe the program was receding from any acceptable standard. 

And I feel the game wrap & this piece both reflected that in their tones. 

ERdocLSA2004

November 2nd, 2020 at 4:55 PM ^

If Manuel isn’t going to retire Harbaugh, then we need to at the very least, tuck our tail between our legs and change divisions.  There is no reason to play OSU every year unless we have a chance.  I’d be ok with playing them only if we get to the BIG championship game. It’s sad but this is where we are at.  It’s hard to enjoy football anymore knowing an ass beating is waiting for us. 

TrueBlue2003

November 3rd, 2020 at 4:31 PM ^

I don't know if nobody would be defending him.  People that are fine with 9-3 seasons as baseline and the occasional chance to win the div are fine with Harbaugh and it's hard to blame them.  That was Lloyd Carr and then look what happened.

Look at Notre Dame.  They went 4-8 in Kelly's seventh (!!) season, hadn't finished in the top 10 in four seasons, but stuck with him and have been rewarded with double digit wins in the three years since, all top 12 seasons.

dragonchild

November 2nd, 2020 at 1:07 PM ^

They had no problems with it for DB and Hoke. What is stopping them now? What is the difference between those two and our current situation (spare me the Morris debacle - those two sucked before that took place)?

Well. . . this is a take.

I guess we need a reminder.

In the season before Hoke got fired, Michigan of course lost to Ohio State.  They also lost to Maryland (!), Rutgers (!!!), got shut out by Notre Dame, lost to Sparty by 24 points, and of course there was the M00N game with Northwestern.

Doug Nussmeier was the OC, Darrell Funk was the O-line coach, Jeff Hecklinski was the WR coach, Fred Jackson "coached" the RBs.  They went 5-7, and by the end of it the team literally looked like a Benny Hill sketch.

Harbaugh immediately turned that around and churned out 10, 10, 8, 10, and 9-win seasons.  Is this where we want to be?  No, of course not.  But where we were was needing a desperate, hell-for-leather, last-second blitz to beat Akron at home.  You'd have to be insane to fire Harbaugh, because there's no one better out there right now who'd rather be here.

What's frustrating is that, as Brian said, these holes in our roster were clearly visible from three years out.  That was more than enough time to implement a proper 3-3-5 or zone secondary or whatever else we might've needed.  Or, you know, recruit the Matt Godins and Channing Striblings out there if the 5-stars wanted to ride the bench at Alabama.  Something.  What you can't do is keep changing the bandages while hoping to restore the 4-2-5 press man that worked so well in 2016.  Like with the O-line, we're looking at serious personnel issues that took three years of farting around to create, and will take 4-5 years to fix.  But Michigan's recruiting wizards have mostly left, and they got replaced with more scheme junkies.

I Like Burgers

November 2nd, 2020 at 3:47 PM ^

If they don't want to make a change with Harbaugh, then the program, players, and fans that support the program need to come to grips with the fact the ceiling of this team is 9 wins every year.

Harbaugh is far too stubborn to change any of his ways to lead to any other results.  His DC hasn't made any changes of note, and he's rolled through multiple OCs, but *surprise* the offense always looks exactly like a Harbaugh offense.

On top of that, his recruiting is pretty suspect and has led to the current holes all over the roster.

BlueRibbon

November 2nd, 2020 at 1:08 PM ^

I don't know that Brian et al are comfortable with Harbaugh's ceiling; they strike me as more apathetic and resigned to Harbaugh's apparent job security within the department. Brian mentioned the "curse of Frank Solich," referring to the fear that dumping a pretty good coach in the hope of landing a great one might lead to a terminal slide into irrelevance. Given that the RichRod/Hoke era is still a relatively fresh memory, it seems reasonable that those who decide Harbaugh's fate are influenced by that fear.

I'm not sure whether mgoblog's stance is "Harbaugh shouldn't be fired (at least not at this point in the season)" or "Harbaugh won't be fired so there's no point screaming about it." Personally I think he should get one more shot to win the Game, though I doubt he'll do much with it.

Brodie

November 2nd, 2020 at 1:43 PM ^

Yes, I think this is what the blog's take is. I also think it's the only reasonable read on the situation. It's possible that Harbaugh and the school could mutually part ways in 2021, with him going to the NFL without ever being extended. But he won't be fired and everyone should stop asking when he will be, it's pointless. 

mgobaran

November 2nd, 2020 at 1:10 PM ^

They had no problems with it for DB and Hoke. What is stopping them now? 

Brian & Company didn't call for Hoke's head at all before the Shane Morris incident. the "Fire Coach x" tag was used once during Hoke's tenure before that point, and it was tagging an article talking about an already fired Al Borges. 

For the past decade, this blog hasn't called for someone's head until something much more serious than losing pops up. That seemed to be a different story under RR, but people grow with age/experience.