"Northwestern fans can be both heartened and disheartened by the loss to Minnesota just like how nineteenth-century resurrectionists were heartened when they pried a heart from a freshly-buried corpse and then disheartened it when they sold it to a disreputable anatomist."
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- First thing's first. We creamed App State. Yes, in the manner in which we WANTED to--getting holds in the OL and on the ground, but it's still App State. As others have said, we could also beat ND and we really won't know much until Penn State and MSU.
- If this does bring a new era of success at Michigan, and Nuss is in fact a major part of that, then good for him and us. If another program poaches him for a HC spot in a few years because Michigan is now suddenly a national power and in the 4 team playoff, then that's a high class problem for us to have. As others have said, I think Hoke could develop a reputation of attracting young coaching talent, giving them room to succeed on their own, thus creating a launching platform/pipeline for future HC's around the country. That would not be a bad thing. Maybe Nuss gets poached by, say, a Purdue or Northwestern as a HC, and then in 8-10 years Hoke steps back and we bring Nuss back as the next HC.
- Ideally though, this is what I'd love to see---we experience a return to greatness under Hoke. Other programs come sniffing around for Nuss in 2-3 years, and we essentially lay out a 5 year plan. Don't even let Nuss get off campus because there's no guarantee we would ever get him back. He's got three young kids in grade school or younger. Make the sales pitch that rather than being a journey man coach, he should stick around Ann Arbor--a GREAT place to raise a family--at least until his kids are grown and out of the house. Make Nuss one of--if not the--highest paid coordinators in college football, and add the title of Assistant Head Coach to his job description so he starts seeing the other elements of the team in a more holistic way. Mattison has no designs on ever being a HC, so essentially make Nuss the heir apparent. But do it WITH the explicit understanding that Hoke would be stepping back in another 5 years (7-8 years from now). It wouldn't be some vague promise. Hoke would be in his mid-60's and you'd obviously have to get buy-in from him. Dave Brandon will have completed his massive $$ raising and infrastructure building campaign, so much of the difficult-yet-necessary-work will have been already done. At some point he'll want to leave to run for governor or US senator or something anyway. The athletic facilities will be set for a generation, and yet the student & season ticket holders will need some serious fence-mending once Brandon is gone. Hoke is known as a "player's coach", so you get him to step back and become a "fan's AD" to basically rebuild the goodwill of the fans. People say one of Hoke's greatest assets is just being a giant cheerleader for Michigan. I could see him being an excellent "peace ime" AD for the school.
|1 week 1 day ago||For the 2015 Season||
As others have said, due to school policy, as well as some common sense, unfortunately MSU and OSU are out of the mix for the night game.
It's clear that the early trend for UTL games is that they are huge advantages for Michigan--home field advantage "plus." It's an advantage in beating whoever we play in that game, plus an advantage for visiting recruits.
If it's between Oregon State, BYU, or Northwestern, I think ultimately it comes down to BYU.
My guess is that BYU as more of a national draw than Oregon State, and I think their record has been somewhat better than Oregon State over the past 2-4 years. For recruiting purposes, BYU also has a draw of Mormon athletes (kind of the Mormon version of Notre Dame football I suppose) and a particular draw from the Polynesian community. There's some pretty solid recruits that come out of both those communities. So, you may get some additional extra eyeballs checking out the game from the West Coast, which may help with our national recruiting profile (so long as we start getting our act together and winning generally). For those reasons I'd say BYU > Oregon State.
As for Northwestern---they are in the Big Ten West division, so they don't factor nearly as much in terms of us playing for a slot in the Big Ten Championship game. Plus I don't think we typically are competing with Northwestern for recruiting purposes. We already have a solid enough presence recruiting-wise in Illinois and Chicagoland in particular. Plus Northwestern may end up being even more of a tire-fire than Michigan is next year, so I don't feel like we'd need the intimidation factor/night game advantage as much to actually win the game.
Tl;DR version: BYU > Oregon State > Northwestern
|1 week 1 day ago||No Doubt||
I'm no connoisseur of football game announcers, but even I could tell the crew was pretty lame.
They kept repeating the same few data points over & over again (no doubt leaning heavily on the handful of game notes they were provided ahead of time). They kept saying once Gardener was out that the only explosive player on the Michigan's offense, when Funchess, Norfleet, etc. were still in the game. They spent an amazingly long time later in the game NOT announcing the game in front of us but simply speculating about teams that should be in the top 4 playoff spots, etc.
I've gotta say, the App State game with Beth Mowins and Joey Galloway that everybody was dreading didn't seem half as bad as the guys last night.
|1 week 1 day ago||Don't think the first one was||
Don't think the first one was that bad. I assume their goal was to try to get PSU to jump offsides for the east first down then we called the TO when they didn't.
|1 week 6 days ago||FWIW, Dave Brandon is a||
FWIW, Dave Brandon is a public official, making any libel claim much harder to prove. The courts generally require famous people or public officials to have somewhat thicker skins since they are offering themselves into the public eye. I would be utterly shocked if DB sued anybody over this. Plus, truth is the ultimate defense if push came to shove.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||I think the OPs point or||
I think the OPs point or question was whether looking at the UofM online postings might be an early indicator that DB's or Hoke's job is now open. If so, it's worth keeping an eye on. However, I'd think that there's so much interest in this story regionally and nationally, there's bound to be leaks and rumblings from other sources first. Camping out at the job postings will not be the early indicator if a firing is imminent, IMO.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Mass demonstrations can work||
Mass demonstrations can work but they need to be very organized and focused. After the PSU night game risks drunken fans being, shall we say, not so focused and organized.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||The D may be giving up, but||
The D may be giving up, but it can also fatigue. We go 3 & out. They march down the field. Sooner or later their D will just be more fresh than our D.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||I disagree as well. The||
I disagree as well. The lifetime undergrad scholarship offer I think also gives a competitive leg up on some of the other conferences, at least for kids who have their priorities right. You get injured? You can still make something of yourself with the scholarship. Leave early and blow out your knee in your first NFL mini-camp? Come on back, finish that degree, and become a local sports hero with a solid white collar job.
Compare that to some of the pressure cooker SEC teams with the full "up or out" mentality after just a year or two in the program.
Could the system still be gamed? I suppose so. The kid is a perpetual 4th stringer, maybe the coach urges him to be "too injured to play" and they drop him from the roster but the kid still gets to get his degree--that sort of thing.
But overall it's a good step forward. Very few kids get to play ball at a big time D1 program. Even fewer get to play in the pros. Even fewer still last in the pros long enough to bank enough income so that they can retire off it when they quit the sport at age 30 or 35 or whatever.
The durable scholarship offer is a benefit that any kid (if he has the maturity to take advantage of it), can use to improve his life in lasting and substantial ways that will far outpace his basketball/football career in most circumstances.
|3 weeks 9 hours ago||Ditto on everything, but why||
Ditto on everything, but why Maryland? It's months away. In the meantime fans are supposed to attend the other home games and pretend all is well. PSU was supposed to be the marquee home game of the season. Boycott THAT and it will get people's attention.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||Not to mention the rash of||
Not to mention the rash of ACL tears and other injuries we seem to get every spring/summer ball. Are these outside the norm of other major college football programs? I don't know--maybe somebody could track that down as I'm too lazy to do it.
But if it IS above the norm, I think it's more evidence that the "toughness" thing is getting misapplied. As we've said in prior threads, clearly the mental thoughness isn't there. And then instead theres this macho physical toughness going on that perhaps is out of proportion. Obviously you want guys to be able to gut out fatigue and minor injuries. But by putting TOO much of an emphasis on it, guys will lie about injuries, downplay them, push even harder to "play hurt" and thus exacerbate injuries, etc. Clear the message is there--if you stay on the field despite injury, Hoke smiles upon you. If you don't, you get the stink-eye.
Morris knew yesterday's game was his big shot at starting this year. He wanted to impress, and that included demonstrating how "tough" he was after taking those monster licks in the 4th quarter.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||I think this is the crux of||
I think this is the crux of the issue right here. What are the rules RE: who can call a time out in college football? If Nuss cannot, then he either needs Shane to hit the ground--which Shane refused to do, or get Hoke's attention and convince him to call one. Nuss clearly did #1 but it's unclear if he tried to do #2. And if he DID attempt #2, and yet a time out was not called, was it b/c for some reason he couldn't get to Hoke fast enough (i.e. why was Hoke MIA just then)? Or did Nuss talk to Hoke and Hoke refused to stop the clock because Nuss was not clear enough to Hoke as to the situation? Do we know for a fact that Hoke looked at the Ref and proactively refused to call a timeout?
Same thing with the botched substitution two plays later. Who makes that call? Once Cleary couldn't find his damned helmet and it became clear we either had to call a time out, burn Speight's redshirt, or send in Morris again, who's call is that? Nuss? Hoke?
And if at that point they thought Morris may have had a head injury, why doesn't the medical staff immediately take his helmet away from him and issue him a test on the sideline? Who directs the medical staff and makes those decisions? Nuss or Hoke?
Was it pure incompetence? Or was the reason Morris not fully put out of commission and administered a test was becasue they didn't "want to know what the answer was.' (i.e. don't ask, don't tell) so they could send him in just in case?
All speculation at this point, but I think relevant questions.
EDIT: Excellent point about the next play being a pass play. Was that Nuss who made the call? How much is Hoke meddling here? A lot? None? Is this all on Nuss, or is he getting over-ruled at each step as Hoke feels his coaching tenure slipping away?
Also, it's clear that Hoke's emphasis on "toughness" is at best getting mis-applied. The mental thoughness isn't there. And yes it's importatnt for guys to fight through fatigue and minor boo boos, but if you stress "toughness" too much you get guys pushing through injuries, lying about or hiding/minimizing injuries, and then exacerbating minor injuries into major ones. You end up harming yourself and your team long-term just to prove you're tough enough to play a few extra snaps in the now.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||Too Much to Argue About||
It could certainly be the reason they were arguing, but it's all speculation at this point. With the way the season is going, there are a ton of things that they could've been arguing about, and this debacle of a game was merely a flashpoint.
I have no idea what Hoke saw or didn't see RE; the Morris debacle. I have no idea how much Hoke is or is not meddling in the Nuss' offensive scheme or playcalling. I have no idea as to which coach was pushing for Morris vs. Gardner or vice versa. I have no idea why Cleary was so sloppy he couldn't find his own helmet--thus forcing Hoke to decide between burning Speight's redshirt over one play or risking Morris again.
The one small, small silver lining in this enitre disaster is I'll be looking forward to reading John U. Bacon's follow-up book from "3 and Out" with the inside scoop of this whole thing once it's finally passed.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||The entire broadcast is||
The entire broadcast is HERE:
At the 5hr. 23min mark is where the broadcast describes the ensuing events.
That's exactly what appened. Brandy says that Nuss is instructing Morris to go down/take a knee so they can get an injury time out (and presumably pull him), but then Morris waves him off.
Now, you can criticize Nuss there--he likely needed to be more assertive, call a real time-out, and then tall Morris to get his ass over to the sideline so Gardner has time to get out there.
But it's clear Nuss saw Morris go wobbly and instructed him to stop the game.
I have no idea where Hoke was, what/if there was any interaction between Hoke & Nuss at that time, etc.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||For what it's worth, I wasn't||
For what it's worth, I wasn't able to see the rained out finale of the crappy Utah game last week. When I came back about an hour later, the entire thing including several hours of rain delay static screen were already available. So if last week was any indication, pretty darned quick. Don't think you can start it if the game is still in progress like a buffered DVR though. I think it's either real time or wait for the whole thing to end.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Exactly||
GMatt's exact words:
So the likelihood that he lets people run Hoke out on rails, and then remains behind to stay as DC, interim HC, or even permanent HC--essentially directly benefiting from Hoke's misfortune in some respects---I think it stretches the bounds of reality.
|5 weeks 1 day ago||Marcus did quite well.||
Marcus did quite well. Explained a lot, but knew when to just let his PBP guy talk. Not too homerish, but I couldn't help notice his subtle maize & blue outfit in the booth. Blue jacket, blue dress shirt, and maize tie & pocket square.
|6 weeks 3 days ago||Kind of crazy, I'm actually a||
Kind of crazy, I'm actually a bit more worries about JMFR at MLB and our front four containing Golson than I am about our OLine at this point.
|6 weeks 3 days ago||Upvote Collector Post||
So apparently up votes get counted inky in replies and not OPs? I guess you learn something new every day.
I'm not at a computer right now and only know how to post a photo from that (not my ipad or mobile device).
Once the UofM onesie is on, I'll post a photo prior to the game.
As for the "take the first feeding" advice---she is breast feeding. Although I've got Man Boobs, sadly, I can't help her directly in that department yet. Maybe we get bottles once were home but we don't get discharged from the hospital until tomorrow morning.
|6 weeks 3 days ago||To be fair, the Irish Envy||
To be fair, the Irish Envy guys I think were not sure what it meant. They spent a good couple of hours over analyzing and debating the emoticon that he used. Some said it meant happy/grinning. Others said it meant angst and nervous anticipation. I don't think they have any idea.
|6 weeks 5 days ago||I don't know. Usually when I||
I don't know. Usually when I see athletes get the yips, it's in the context of a very isolated motion that is preceded by relative inaction. So a golf swing, tennis serve, baseball pitch, basketball free throw, etc. Allows a person to think about what they're going to do. All eyes are on them at that moment and they know it, etc. With a pass in football through, it seems like a movement that simply takes place after much more dynamic play--rolling out, dropping back, going through progressions, scrambling, etc.
|6 weeks 5 days ago||That was my bachelor party.||
That was my bachelor party. Couldn't have picked a better one. I'll never forget it. Absolutely electric that night.
|7 weeks 4 hours ago||I tend to agree. You'd think||
I tend to agree. You'd think if they were going to clear one or more players, they'd have sped up that process so they could fully rejoin the teamp ASAP prior to Michigan week.
But, out in the ND forums, there's a ton of wishful thiking that one or more players will be let off the hook once anything is officially announced this week. Particularly Russell.
|7 weeks 5 hours ago||Good to know. Still getting||
Good to know. Still getting the hang of this creating threads thing.
For reasons that will become clear later this week, I'm not going to be around a ton in the next few days, so what I've done is just make this the "rampant speculation" junk thread, and then when real news comes out, maybe somebody else just makes a fresh thread with the actual links/updates on Tuesday or Wednesday whenever it hits. That way nobody has to remember to dig this thread up from the 2nd or 3rd page.
Or, you could always delete this one if you don't think the topic merits its own thread this soon.
|7 weeks 5 hours ago||It's all just speculating||
It's all just speculating right now. Some wishful ND forums are saying that one or more will be exonerated. But others in ND forums are saying Williams basically admitted he cheated and will be definitely be out at least for the UofM game. Most ND fans are saying that Russell is the real blow to their strength, and they're hoping he's cleared this week.
But at this point I don't think anybody knows anything definitively. It's all just rampant (but amusing) speculation.
|7 weeks 5 hours ago||You are not high. No new||
You are not high. No new information. But I figured I'd create this pre-emptively, since:
1) My understanding is they are going to announce something in the next day or so, at which point the OP title will be updated and links to actual news provided, and
2) The general game week thread was getting polluted with people asking/speculating about the ND academic investigation, so I figured it'd be best to carve it out into its own topic.
If the mods hate the idea, they can delete it.
|7 weeks 5 hours ago||Tom Hammond||
Tom Hammond has always given me the willies when I watch his broadcasts. Football, Olympics, you name it. Every time he stops talking and turns to look at his broadcast partner, he just stares at them in the strangest way and invades their body space.
|7 weeks 1 day ago||I think that's the nature of||
I think that's the nature of the position. WRs are more inherently downfield while RBs blocking are often in the backfield or at the line. So really there's more opportunity for Chesson to pick up speed and really clock somebody. But I agree whoever said it earlier in the thread--pound for pound maybe the best blocker on the team.
|7 weeks 1 day ago||And imagine our backfield is||
And imagine our backfield is strong enough now that we can afford to redshirt Weber next year.
|7 weeks 1 day ago||Chesson = the WR version of||
Chesson = the WR version of Vincent Smith
|7 weeks 1 day ago||A few things: First||
A few things:
But this was App State. Things are looking about as well as we would have expected in the most perfect scenario. Only time will tell, but it is fun to fantasize/speculate about being at the dawn of a successful era of Wolverine Football.