Insider rumblings on Michigan's forthcoming response

Submitted by Communist Football on November 5th, 2023 at 11:08 AM

I did a morning scour of reputable insider posting on social media and the paywalled boards today. (Subscribe to those sites to read the exact content for yourself. It's worth it if you are obsessed with Signgate.) Here are some of the interesting nuggets:

  • There is a rumor that video of Michigan practices was stolen and shared with Michigan's competitors. This is why, last offseason, Michigan erected a fence around its outdoor practice field. Michigan may have evidence of who stole the footage and shared it.
  • Insiders say that Michigan has shared with the NCAA how common the practice of sign-stealing is, including Illinois' Ryan Walters having all of Michigan's signals in advance of last year's game, and "someone" allegedly sharing our signs with Purdue, via video, in advance of the B1G championship last year. As we know, sign-stealing is not inherently illegal, but sharing video might be.
  • Isaiah Hole seems confident that Michigan is going to "strike back" in a way that is forceful and narrative-altering, but I will reserve judgment on that until we see what Michigan actually has.
  • In my view, if the B1G hands down this absurd indefinite suspension, Michigan should make a show of considering a departure to the ACC (or, at the very least, adopting ND's approach of semi-ACC affiliation) by leaking that they are discussing it internally.

UMFan1992

November 5th, 2023 at 11:12 AM ^

This is fantastic.  It’s really important to do whatever they can to put all this back into its proper context.  The video sharing doesn’t even have to be against the rules to make it highly relevant to showing the significance of the conduct here in its full context.

Communist Football

November 5th, 2023 at 10:38 PM ^

More from Balas:

  • Michigan knows the name of the PI firm that did Ohio State's dirty work. It is an "open secret" in Columbus, and the PI firm has "proven, undeniable ties" to Ryan Day.
  • The people on Michigan's side digging dirt on opponents "have nearly unlimited funds, and they are determined."
  • "Some of these [Michigan-aligned] entities with extremely powerful ties have vowed to 'go nuclear.'" More:

“They think stealing signs is bad? Well — let’s see how that compares to what we can prove about things we’ve known about for years,” one said.  

That goes well beyond what some have paid kids and their families (pre-NIL), One former Michigan player, a former prep five-star, alleged (in detail) how a school tried to blackmail him when he didn’t commit to their school a week after the visit. That’s not looking for an advantage. That’s criminal, and there are kids who are ready to talk, people ready to investigate if the powers that be won’t. We can only imagine what folks would find if given the keys to the backrooms at some of these places (though, again, the FBI wiretap on the hoops side did a good job of that, too, and not a whole hell of a lot came from that).

lhglrkwg

November 5th, 2023 at 11:12 AM ^

Josh Henshcke on twitter seems to be doubting the 'indefinite' thing some and saying the expectation is the Big Ten's gonna try for a 1-2 game suspension and Michigan will push back on that FWIW

JonnyHintz

November 5th, 2023 at 12:36 PM ^

We should at least consider joining the Ivy League with special affiliation with the ACC for specific sports or join the ACC outright. Make the Commissioner’s office and media partners sweat. 
 

Have the conversation. Leak the conversation occurring. Actually engage in exploratory talks with the ACC. Believe it or not, there are some serious benefits to actually joining the ACC, whether it’s actually realistic to do so or not. 

JonnyHintz

November 5th, 2023 at 3:38 PM ^

You’d think Michigan moving to the ACC would cause the media to consider renegotiation of media deals. Big Ten is less valuable without Michigan, ACC becomes much more valuable.

$25 million isn’t something that’s all that big of a deal for a program like Michigan anyway when you’re talking about being railroaded by conference leadership and your peers. Michigan is in more than a fine situation to tell them to F off and keep their damn money. 

JonnyHintz

November 5th, 2023 at 7:14 PM ^

I would consider UCLA to be in that same tier as Cal, Stanford, ND and Michigan. UCLA is one spot below Cal and a couple spots ahead of UM and ND on the USNews university rankings. And USC is only ~10 spots lower than UM.
 

Curious why you think Cal and Stanford make more sense than UCLA and USC. They’re all within ~15 spots of each other in those rankings. Or are you speaking strictly from a culture standpoint? 

RAH

November 5th, 2023 at 1:00 PM ^

I am still mystified as to how any reasonable person or organization could possibly make such an important decision without a full investigation and providing the defendants an opportunity to conduct their own investigation so they offer a defense. 

Also, it is not at all clear to me that there was any violation of NCAA rules other that the possible in person CMU activity. And it is still not proven that he was acting to the benefit of Michigan then.

UMFan1992

November 5th, 2023 at 11:19 AM ^

Henschke seems to be saying the larger sanction could take too much time.  But it seems to me he could do two games now and simultaneously propose the indefinite suspension in the meantime, with the intent to take care of the formalities during the two-week period.  I have no idea if any of this is going to happen but I wouldn’t put too much stock in the reasoning that the need for the vote of the larger committee is going to be a meaningful roadblock.

TBlue

November 5th, 2023 at 12:58 PM ^

No it is not ridiculous to consider leaving the B1G.  The B1G is a partnership, albeit it a competitive one.  If our “partners” are treating us like this, it is time to explore finding other partners.   Ones where mutual respect is near the top of the list of priorities.  

JonnyHintz

November 5th, 2023 at 1:10 PM ^

Is it? If we’re not going to be given a fair shake by our peers within the Big Ten, and arbitrary punishments are going to be handed down based on mob rule, I don’t think it’s ridiculous for those questions to be raised and discussion to occur. 
 

The ACC isn’t a horrible fit. Michigan would have academic peers with the likes of Stanford, Cal, Virginia, UNC, Duke, Pitt, and BC. Renewal of the ND rivalry. Quality basketball and football with Michigan one of the elites. 
 

Maybe Michigan goes through with it, maybe they don’t. But I don’t think it’s ridiculous at all for those questions to be raised. 

djmagic

November 5th, 2023 at 3:15 PM ^

as a threat?  it's almost as ridiculous as the conference taking punitive action in the absence of evidence proving rules violations took place, just because a few other coaches are some combination of faux-mad, scared, and insecure.

 

the posture taken towards michigan by multiple actors appears to have been extreme unprecedented, and Michigan is entitled to respond in kind.

Blusqualo

November 5th, 2023 at 3:28 PM ^

Is it?

The big ten was just fine with dirt bag after dirt bag dominating the conference in Columbus… yet somehow if a low level staffer in Ann Arbor allegedly runs afoul of an out dated obscure rule in spirit… then its time to act in ludicrous speed?

If ND were facing the same issue, they would only have the NCAA to deal with.

Michigan is a world-wide brand, more so than ND, if we sprinkled our sports and academic entities in several different strategic places we could make more $$$ than we currently do giving Rutgers the same share that we get.