Exit Davion Rogers
He wasn't on the roster yesterday and now it's official:
Sources close to the U-M football program have confirmed that true freshman Davion Rogers, a linebacker out of Warren, Ohio, is no longer with the program. Rogers, a 6-6, 205-pounder, came to U-M out of Warren G. Harding High School.
No idea why. Rogers reportedly had a Clearinghouse issue earlier this fall so it may be related to that. He wasn't going to play this year since he's skinnier than Roy Roundtree but seemed to have a lot of long-term potential; his departure is another hit to the APR, which seems like it will inevitably drop below 925 now at some point, and another hit to the depth of the defense. Michigan's most recent class has now lost Austin White, Demar Dorsey, Conelius Jones, Antonio Kinard, and Davion Rogers just a month into their freshman years. At some point this has to stop happening, right?
UPDATE: The News confirms and gets someone saying that it was a clearinghouse issue, which means it shouldn't impact Michigan's APR. Tim pointed out that if he was out before the drop/add deadline he wouldn't have counted against the APR anyway. Still, Michigan and Rodriguez have to do a better job of identifying players who will get on campus.
September 17th, 2010 at 4:04 PM ^
Spelling isn't your strong suit, is it?
Also, it's MICHIGAN. Arrogant? Damn right. Why? If you graduate, you have EARNED your arrogance.
September 17th, 2010 at 5:06 PM ^
It's people like you who make it hard for me to defend us U of M grads when people ask why we're so damn arrogant, so thanks. Have some humility dude.
September 17th, 2010 at 4:08 PM ^
Isn't that part of the cache of rooting for UofM--prestige, history, all that? I know it is for me. And as an aside, there are very few schools that offer what Michgan does across the board. I'd say five or six if you're a student athlete.
September 17th, 2010 at 5:10 PM ^
However, in my experience with job seeking and whatnot, Michigan is just another school to most. Sorry to break the news to everyone. Doesn't mean I don't love the school and think it's outstanding, but this is my experience...
September 17th, 2010 at 6:38 PM ^
The point is that Michigan is a great school, certainly one of the best when it comes to academic and athletic excellence. It's not particularly controversial, or elitist
September 17th, 2010 at 3:56 PM ^
falls to you to explain the laws of market economics to them
Even if they do make it to the NFL, the average career is staggeringly short (3-4 years). You need that education, degree, and alumni network either way
September 17th, 2010 at 4:25 PM ^
Due to your avatar, every time I come across a post of yours I read it as if you are yelling it in a monotone voice. It gets me through the day.
September 17th, 2010 at 3:39 PM ^
After a while it falls on RR's head and this is after a while.
September 17th, 2010 at 3:53 PM ^
I really, really want to think otherwise, and that it's just some sort of freakshow of coincidence and happenstance....but, man.....that's getting more difficult.....
September 17th, 2010 at 3:41 PM ^
What the hell? I hope this is an academics thing and not a "eh, I won't ever play" thing.
September 18th, 2010 at 8:11 AM ^
Ooops
September 17th, 2010 at 3:42 PM ^
done for a while...
...after Terry Talbott.
September 17th, 2010 at 4:21 PM ^
What?????? hahaha, very funny
September 17th, 2010 at 3:52 PM ^
He's probabaly pre-drop add so does he even showing going to school if he didn't take summer school?
I am a bit worried about the attrition but who on the list of transfers has had an "OMG Mallett is leaving!" level of impact? I/we had high hopes for Vlad and JT but it seems none of the transfers had a decent shot being in the 2-deep in the next 2years or so.
EDIT - Reading this it really sounds callous. Sorry - I am torn between feeling for these young man and the loss of a chance at a U of M degree-- and the ability to pick up some really high end recruits if Michigans continues to do well in 2010.
September 17th, 2010 at 3:46 PM ^
especially when you start to look at what factors it could be. No way it's not just simply not enough playing time. There are plenty of big football tradition schools that have their recruits sit the first couple years and the guys stick with the team. So there are only two main conclusions I can come to:
1) Rich Rod is taking too many flyers on kids barely academically eligible and when these kids are starting classes they can't cut it.
2) Rich Rod is making promises and not fulfilling them. I find this one less likely since players have left with good things to say.
It makes no sense to me to like Michigan so much you commit and start the program, see all the improvements and start the season 1-0/2-0 then think "Man, I gotta get out of here"
September 17th, 2010 at 4:05 PM ^
That's correctable, and understandable if UM runs a tighter ship than WVU did. It's also disappointing that it's still happening in RR's third year here, but we should have a big enough pool of players to target without the academically questionable guys.
September 17th, 2010 at 3:48 PM ^
if it was academics related, and he was never part of the team, is it an APR hit?
September 17th, 2010 at 3:52 PM ^
What a shame... and his tape was outstanding, it really was, seeing him chase down RBs who had four steps on him.
September 17th, 2010 at 3:53 PM ^
to list Kinard as a 2011 "commit."
So there's that.......
September 17th, 2010 at 3:54 PM ^
I have to imagine this is a clearinghouse thing, and he was never really on the team. If so, it doesn't hurt APR and doesn't really say anything bad about UM other than RR took too many chances in this last class on academically borderline kids. After consecutive seasons of 3-9 and 5-7, maybe that was necessary. He rolled the dice a few times and missed more than he wanted.
If our season this year is as good as we hope, we should be able to recoop a lot of those with guys in this class who are a year younger but with a higher upside than the guys we lost.
September 17th, 2010 at 3:58 PM ^
RR said the clearinghouse issues were behind him and he was practicing with the team. I guess something else could have popped up but it seemed like everything was resolved.
September 17th, 2010 at 4:03 PM ^
If word gets out that RR is cooping players or worse still, recooping them, the fallout will be ugly:)
September 17th, 2010 at 3:55 PM ^
At what point does Brian or Tim pick up the phone and call the athletic department about these recent transfers? I really like to get some info from the source rather than have to read some of this (often) baseless rumor mongering that goes on on these message boards and others.
September 17th, 2010 at 3:58 PM ^
...this type of attrition is going to come back any bite us in the years to come. I'm not sure why this keeps happening but it is concerning as we will continue to struggle to build any depth or have any upperclass leadership. Sure, most of these guys won't see the field now but when they are RS Juniors and Seniors (ala Greg Banks, James Rogers, etc) we may need them to fill a spot and contribute. While he may not be a superstar these are the types of guys that turn good teams into great ones and we seem to be losing the chance to even develop them.
I wish I knew why this was happening. I hope if it is grades that the staff has learned their lesson. Think about the time, money, resources spent to recruit all of these guys and how it could have been spent on another recruit, maybe not as hyped or guru approved, who could have made the grade and been a contributor.
I really hope this comes to an end because it is starting to be real concern.
September 17th, 2010 at 3:59 PM ^
With all these players leaving, how many scholarships do we have to give out for the 2011 class. I know it was around 16-18 before the DD drama, where's it at now? Anyone......
September 17th, 2010 at 4:00 PM ^
If you want to know why they are leaving, ask the players who are leaving.
September 17th, 2010 at 4:02 PM ^
I wish i had that TOM VH batman signal pic with the "TOM VH" substituted for "MOGOStalker".
September 17th, 2010 at 4:40 PM ^
That is one heck of a revelation for a Friday afternoon. +1 to you for stating the option that is the one least likely to be available to the vast majority of us.
September 17th, 2010 at 4:02 PM ^
What are the penalties if our two-year APR drops below 925?
September 17th, 2010 at 4:05 PM ^
- Teams that score below 925 and have a student-athlete who failed academically and left school can lose scholarships.
- Teams can lose up to 10 percent of their scholarships each year for poor academic performance under the immediate penalty structure.
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/portal/ncaahome?WCM_GLOBAL_CONTEXT=/ncaa/ncaa/m…
September 17th, 2010 at 5:55 PM ^
Name a single player who has left so far this year who meets this criteria. Not Turner, not Emilien, not Lalota. They will affect our APR, but not in a penalty-inducing way.
The only one I can think of last year is Wermers, who may have been academically ineligible when he left.
Certainly not any LOI signee with NCAA initial eligibility (a.k.a., "clearinghouse") or UM Admissions issues, because these guys never enrolled in a Michigan class. They don't even affect the APR.
I don't understand how Rogers could make it onto campus for preseason camp without being cleared by the NCAA as initially eligible, but that seems to be the case...
Anyhow, my point is that we could drop below 925 and still not be penalized...
September 17th, 2010 at 4:03 PM ^
I thought winning was good for the program. Holy crap, at this rate if we keep winning our offense is going to have to start playing both ways.
September 17th, 2010 at 4:08 PM ^
Perhaps the statements about Rogers' character and motivations, as well as speculation as to "what is wrong with RR" can wait until we know why he left. Maybe he did something really stupid and forced RR's hand. Maybe a family memeber died, and he felt he had to go home. Nobody knows.
September 17th, 2010 at 4:47 PM ^
Clearinghouse issue
September 17th, 2010 at 4:08 PM ^
The one who stays will be a champion?
/you have to laugh, to keep from screaming.
September 17th, 2010 at 4:10 PM ^
This isn't the worst thing, since he wasn't going to contribute for several years. We're basically going to be replacing half of a recruiting class that came after 3-9 and 5-7 seasons.
In theory, we should be able to attract much better recruits with a good record this year.
We're not losing a lot of seniors, so we can probably afford to have RS Freshman playing instead of RS Sophmores in 2012.
September 17th, 2010 at 4:12 PM ^
Unrealated to this article, but has anyone heard an ounce of info on Josh Furman. I though for sure he would be, at the very least, on special teams. There was talk about him from GR early in camp and now nothing. Am I just not seeing him on the feild or is he not playing. Not really concerned, just been wondering.
September 17th, 2010 at 4:31 PM ^
I was kind of hoping Furman would redshirt. We've already burned about 12 of them this year.
September 17th, 2010 at 9:44 PM ^
He dressed for the UCONN game but I'm pretty sure he didnt travel for the ND game.
September 17th, 2010 at 4:36 PM ^
That's a long list but they're not all equals. Were Jones and Kinard admitted? We know Dorsey wasn't.
I understand that one's dong doesn't differentiate how those punches feel, but I think these cases pose different questions. From an NCAA perspective too, right? RIGHT?! (desperate, pleading look)
ETA: Thanks for providing some additional explanation in update
September 17th, 2010 at 4:15 PM ^
I'm sure my numbers are not exactly correct, but the general idea is that RR has spent a lot of scholly's over the past two years becasue of all the spots left open by the Mallet's and Boren's, etc.... So his first two real classes have been huge. The 2011 class was supposed to be 17 kids, but with all of the transfers he will be able to go after 24-25 kids, which is a normal, to big , class.
I have to say it, and it's just a conspiracy theory, but what if he's loading up, figuring out which guys fit, then dumping the guys that don't look like they are making the cut. He gets a real good look at 28-29 kids, but he knows only 22 or so will make it. That way he gets a better talent pool without having to give up the scholly's....I could see this being a short term goal, but it will not work long term. Of course, he only needs it to work for the first 3 or so classes.
September 17th, 2010 at 4:44 PM ^
At least I hope not and these transfers don't indicate that he is...
September 17th, 2010 at 4:22 PM ^
I could really use a Hello Dee Hart post right about now
September 17th, 2010 at 4:55 PM ^
That'd be nice, luckly that "DenardHappening" video should get me by until the game on Saturday.
September 17th, 2010 at 4:43 PM ^
This is clearly Lloyd Carr's fault. He totally left the cupboard bare and no reasonable person could expect RR to recruit kids who might actually stay in A2.
September 17th, 2010 at 4:45 PM ^
Honestly I don't get it...
September 17th, 2010 at 4:58 PM ^
Honestly. I don't get it.
Folks here moaned endlessly about the "bare cupboard", yet something is clearly going on with RichRod's own, hand-picked players leaving the team. Maybe we need to revisit the notion that the cupboard was bare...Maybe there is an issue with RichRod not being able to keep stock on the shelf. I don't know the answer, but at some point these departures become much more than a coincidence and turn into a long-term problem.
September 17th, 2010 at 5:12 PM ^
You're an idiot.
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<br>Ad hominens are cool
September 17th, 2010 at 5:22 PM ^
What the hell does one have to do with the other?
When Lloyd retired, almost every position had a 4- or 5-star and then pretty much nothing behind them. Blame RR for having an abnormally high transfer rate, especially on defense. But RR didn't create Mike Williams.
I thought we went over this already?
The hybrid Lloyd/RR class should be juniors now. I am as alarmed as anyone about the defensive transfers and no-shows from RR's classes, especially in the defensive backfield. But considering this team should be made of half Lloyd recruits right now, he's still part of the story.
Just as Carr should get credit for David Molk and Steve Schilling, plus his part in the 2008 haul that should ensure O-line depth for the next three years, he shoulders a big part of the blame for the state of the secondary, unless you think it was coaching that made Mike Williams incapable of playing free safety?
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