Lets rank the Freshmen!!!
Now that the B1G regular season is over for the team, what freshman, how do you rank them?
For me, I am ranking by who I think will have the best year next year, heavilly weighting on this season's play.
1) Aubrey Dawkins: He seperated himself from the pack down the stretch. His athleticism is a shade below GRIII's, but he probably already has a better stroke. Seems to have a lot of power. He just had the dunk of the year for for the team.
2) Kam Chatman: His play doesn't merit this, but the light started flickering down the strech, and the recruiting rankings were there for a reason. One of my favorite things about Coach B is how he'll let struggling players develop in game (Walton being a prime example). I think Kam reward's Beilein's investment next year.
3) Ricky Doyle: First frosh to break out. He also plateued. Too bad we needed him so bad, I think a quasi-redshirt would have been good for him, where he focused more on his body than the next game. This offseason is huge for him.
4) MAAR: My favorite frosh, he's had some breakout games, but I wonder if defenses have adjusted?
5) DJ Wilson: He was the most intriguing prospect to me. Hope he comes back big next year.
6) Mark Donnal: Disastrous year. Looks like he could be a rare Beilein miss in scouting. Needs a huge offseason, but I'm not even sure his frame will let him get there.
Edit: forgot a very important member of the class. Appologies to all.
7) Austin Hatch: Last in the rankings, first in our hearts. I would guess he gets a medical this year. We didn't want a 7 person class, so it was cool to see him play and even score points.
So did even Stanford - coached by Johnny Dawkins - not offer Aubrey?
This is the correct ranking.
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Based on what they did this year, I agree with this. Your comment about Caris is silly though. The sky will not fall even if Caris goes.
Stauskas was a liability on defense his freshman year. Dawkins has the edge on him. At times this year, Dawkins had to carry this team. Nik never had to do that as a frosh.
Would be huge to get elite production out of the 2 again.
Doyle and Wilson (and Donnal) are probably the most important players to our success next year. If we can get solid improvement out of one or both, we will have a chance to do big things next year.
Then there's Chatman. If he can build on these last couple of games, we're looking at a quality forward.
Finally, MAAR. I think he has great potential, I just don't think he's the most important player to our overall success. With Walton back, we can rely more on walton and spike to run the offense. MAAR's continued improvement will do more for our depth, which will certainly be important, just in a different way than the other freshmen.
Dawkins looks to be a stud. I'm not as down on Donnal as others; big guys take time. Chatman also should see a nice rebound next year.
Chatman was impressive today. I am thinking next year he can be a 10ppg guy.
Interesting question - another tangent question is how EMO would you be if - as most wanted to do, including myself - to bank 1 or 2 scholarships. If 2, this class would only have been been Doyle, Chatman, and DJ Wilson and we banked the 2 remaining scholarships for 2015. Or at least banked 1.
Not only would 2014-2015 been a disaster (imagine how bad it would be without Dawkins AND MAAR) but we'd miss out on those 2 completely in that scenario down the road. And things would be pretty depressing right now with Doyle being the only guy who really did anything of the 3 recruits.
For OP, I'd put it at
- MAAR/Dawkins
- Doyle
- Chatman/Wilson
- Donnal
Wilson is an INC but glad he redshirted - he looked lost vs non conf type teams a top 100 player should be having a lot of fun against. Chatman I am just hoping to be a good role player down the road - he doesnt have any elite athleticism but supposedly has a good eye and passing skills so I hope he becomes a facilitator of sorts but as of now he is backing up Dawkins in 2015-2016 at the 4. He seems to be a decent rebounder - any offense at this point I would consider a luxury.
MAAR is difficult to judge because already being 20 years old his ceiling is a bit more limited - he a good slasher and his future will be determined by his ability to have teams respect his outside shot which needs developing. But I am loving we have him for 3 more years - I think he is going to be a very a good 6th man type down the road and seems like the best perimeter defender already.
Doyle was good against mediocre competition early and then hit a wall. Big men take time. In a normal year he'd have redshirted - but I already like more of what I have seen of him than Donnal.
Donnal is a 4 masquerading as a 5. Maybe if Wilson bulks up enough next year our primary 5s are Doyle and Wilson and Donnal can go compete with Chatman for backup 4 minutes.
I still wish this team recruited a pogo stick 4 (maybe its Wilson maybe not) but I think we are going to be pleased with having upperclassmen down the road - we have been missing that tremendously and a JR Chatman or Doyle is going to be a luxury - one could argue having a JR and SR player of that mold might be better for UM long term than these 2 and dones constantly rolling through. Of course it would be nice to have a mix of both to balance.
1. Dawkins - His combination of athleticism and shooting is great and he is pretty strong too for a freshman. If he has a really good off-season he could be on NBA radar next year which is crazy!
2. Doyle - Had a lot of freshman moments but I thought he put himself in some good positions and played solid defense against a lot of more experienced players in the B1G. Our big men need to have a great off-season.
3. MAAR - Really torn on ranking him after Doyle because I think MAAR had a really good freshman year but I settled on ranking him 3rd. I love his game and he has a great shot. Hopefully he gets stronger in the off-season but he is a great player.
4. Chatman - It appears the lights are coming on after a very disappointing year for him based on his ranking and what was expected of him. But he is a freshmen and in a perfect situation we would not be relying on so many freshmen to have big seasons. I really think he could be at the top of this class next year although Dawkins is brilliant.
5. Wilson - Injured but seemed like he was poised to have a very good year before that. He had freshmen moments but I think if he was healthy he would have gotten better with every game. I am really excited to see him healthy!
6. Hatch - I did not expect him to do much this year so I ranked him above Donnal based on expectations at the start of the year. Love this kid and cheering for him big time.
7. Donnal - I was really surprised that he just didn't contribute nearly what I thought he might. He really needs to hit the weight room and get his strength up.
Overall this freshmen class is awesome and Dawkins and MAAR were total surprises. What they have given this year compared to expectations is amazing. Our coaching staff really knows how to get he most out of young players. I cannot wait to see this team next year.
We all love Austin Hatch's story, but anyone counting on him to contribute meaningful minutes while at Michigan is fooling themselves.
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1. Hatch
1. Dawkins
2. MAAR
3. Doyle
4. Chatman
5. Donnal
TBD. Wilson
the rest of us most of the year to see it too.
Chatman will make the most improvement next year. This year he was lost, then slow because he had to think too much and now he is starting to hit his stride. Watch him fly next year.
Doyle is going to be a force as a Big Ten center, but probably not until his junior year. He will be good enough next year for us to win a lot.
Dawkins went from "Who" to and early NBA entry. I hope we get 3 years from him.
MAAR is going to have a hard time finding playing time next year, but he will be very valuable to us.
Donnal will exceed what most think he is capable of, but like Doyle, it may be as a junior. It will also depend on what position he plays.
Wilson could turn out to be one of the best in this class with the ability and skill set that he has. He will need to bulk up.
Hatch will be the inspiration that propels the team to greatness.
I said that weeks before this recent explosion. I stand by this assessment.
I doubt he bolts too early, as well. Johnny Dawkins has him learning from JB and co for a reason. He's not just a former pro - he's a head coach.
I had my doubts about this thread because it seemed like an invitation to rip on kids, but the thread seems to be going okay so far.
I called it before the season ever started, i get three cookies
if he can stay healthy and stay with it.
Quite a bit of Tim Hardaway Jr in Aubrey. If he can tighten up that handle & learn how to create more off the dribble next year, watch out.
I think what I'm most excited about next year is with the depth and talent we have, the guys can worry about things other than just filling out the rotation. This year, any contribution was welcome, and with two walkons in the rotation we needed guys eating minutes.
Next year, I think guys like Irvin and Dawkins will need to be more complete players to keep there minutes. Hot shooting is nice, but theyll need to board and defend, too. If Caris is here, no chance he should lead the team in all categories like he was before injury. I hope he comes back and wants to lock down the other team's best player, then pick his spots on offense.
I can see us being a lot more aggressive on defense, and maybe not even be amongst the fewest fouls in the nation next year.
He's not a bust yet, but his redshirt freshman year couldn't have gone much worse. Agreed?
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