Spielman on Hoke and players development
Accroding to Chris Spielman, Hoke and his staff should do a better job of developing the talents that they recruit. A point that I completely agree with. UM players are not getting materially better.
Edit: Spielman did not say "poor job" as initially posted.
December 24th, 2013 at 8:54 AM ^
December 24th, 2013 at 9:17 AM ^
December 24th, 2013 at 10:21 AM ^
December 24th, 2013 at 10:52 AM ^
I agree, the problems with the offense we've seen this year should have been what we saw in 2011.
December 24th, 2013 at 9:02 AM ^
Apparently Urban can't develop O-line talent either because I saw Taylor Decker get beaten like a drum against Buffalo. Admitedly, it was against a high-caliber NFL prospect, but Decker's reactions after seeing another sack were hilarious. And Decker was the 19th rated tackle and 165th ranked player overall according to 247 Composite.
What's that you say? He's a redshirt freshman? He'll get better? Linemene take time? Uhh, ok.
December 24th, 2013 at 9:52 AM ^
December 24th, 2013 at 10:05 AM ^
I was recently cataloguing my collection of Mich football videos and during the 2000 Orange Bowl, was struck by the comment that Mich had 34 graduating seniors after the 1999 season. 34! When Hoke reaches comparable levels, ask me then if he's still not developing players.
December 24th, 2013 at 10:26 AM ^
December 24th, 2013 at 1:30 PM ^
December 24th, 2013 at 10:37 AM ^
I am sooo sick of this shite, "well Wisconsin and MSU have 3 star players whoopin Hokes 4 and 5 star players" This is a load of crap being spread with political procision. It takes to long to explain it away than just saying "Hoke can't coach cause his 5 stars are being out played by 3 stars".The players all know and have said out loud (GOOD LUCK) to 5 star players who say they are going to come into the league and tear it up. A 3 star fifth year SR will look into the eyes of a five star freshman knowing full well he will dominate them. Maybe on a play or two the five star will show he has alot of potential and beat the 3 star guy. A few plays does not make up a game. But by the third year of the five stars eligebility he will make a fool out of fifth year guys on most plays, not all, but most. This is not rocket science people its just the way it is, Woodson got beat occasionally by 3 star players its just a matter of having seen this or that play or move so many times and have practiced against it so many times they can do it in their sleep. So good luck to the five stars who say they will come into the league and tear it up but its more likely they will hold their own. Second third year yes they will make fools of alot of three star kids especially the ones who are forced to play due to the player ahead of them is hurt. I had as long of a talk as I could stand with a Sparty at Target yesterday he finally saw the light of my arguement but I could tell he was just going to keep saying that SOS till its believable and hopefully they can sway some recruits. Luckily the kids UM recruits are far to smart follow some idiots reasoning.
December 24th, 2013 at 11:03 AM ^
December 24th, 2013 at 11:07 AM ^
Spend half the year reveling in the glory of yet another 4 and 5 star laden top ten recruiting class......spend the other half of the year making excuses for why all those top rated recruits can barely beat Akron and U-Conn and get dominated by three star laden programs like MSU, and Iowa.
December 24th, 2013 at 11:24 AM ^
I was unaware that our 2014 recruits played during the 2013 season. Interesting. Hopefully they didn't lose any eligibility.
December 24th, 2013 at 11:37 AM ^
from the buckeye mafia
plant seeds of doubt in recruits minds, expect Herbie to have some "breaking" news soon.
December 24th, 2013 at 1:02 PM ^
I know we’ve gone over this and over this, but apparently it’s time to reiterate. M’s offensive line consists of the following scholarship players:
- Two redshirt seniors who’ll play their final game for M on Saturday
- No seniors
- No redshirt juniors on scholarship (Burzynski might get one, who knows?)
- No juniors
- Three redshirt sophomores, one of whom started the season at two different positions (Glasgow), one who started and was later benched (Miller), and one (Bryant) who started a couple games (MN and PSU) before his relegation to the bench.
- No sophomores
- Four redshirt freshmen: Bars (who did not see the field as an offensive lineman this season), Braden (got into the CMU and Ohio games), Kalis (started at guard for the first 6 games, was a backup for four games, came back as a starter for the final two games), and Magnuson (started IU, MSU, NE, NU at one guard position, then moved to the other guard position when Kalis was reinstated as the other starting guard).
- Six true freshmen, only one of whom, Bosch, saw the field in 2013 as a starter or a sub from the IU game on). The remainder—Dawson, Fox, Kugler, Samuelson, and Tuley-Tillman—all redshirted.
In other words, the coaching staff spent the entire 2013 season trying to find a combination of redshirt sophomores, redshirt freshmen, and even true freshmen who could effectively play the interior line positions. By the last game of the regular season they might have finally figured it out. Green, Touissaint, Smith, ran for 152 net yards against a good defense (okay, Gardner got 33 of those and Funchess 5, but that’s still a lot better than the O-line’s previous efforts).
As we all know, the paucity of upper-class, experienced centers and guards is not this staff’s responsibility. They did the best they could to make lemonade from the lemons they inherited.
December 24th, 2013 at 1:34 PM ^
Also, I'd simply add that Glasgow was a walk-on.
December 24th, 2013 at 1:25 PM ^
December 24th, 2013 at 1:35 PM ^
They get 4 or 5 star kids every year
That's true, as far as it goes, but maybe it's worth looking at the historical numbers. Rivals again:
- Year: 5-stars/4-stars
- 2002: 1/10
- 2003: 1/12
- 2004: 1/10
- 2005: 1/9
- 2006: 2/9
- 2007: 1/5
- 2008: 0/12
- 2009: 1/12
- 2010: 0/6
- 2011: 0/5
- 2012: 1/8
- 2013: 1/16
An average Michigan class in the internet era has 0.8 5-stars and 9.5 4-stars. 2010 and 2011 put together was barely an average class, and that's before attrition.
There was always good reason to expect this to be a below-average Michigan team even before half the 2010 class walked out the door.
December 24th, 2013 at 2:13 PM ^
December 24th, 2013 at 3:37 PM ^
Until 2015 at the earliest. If these 4 and 5 stars flop, then yes Hoke cannot develop players and Hoke will get the boot!
December 24th, 2013 at 7:53 PM ^
Although, at that time the 2015 class will only be freshmen. Would it really be fair to judge hoke before they are juniors. We need to be patient. 2018 is when we will really know.
December 24th, 2013 at 3:40 PM ^
Michigan's 5-stars are a redshirt freshman lineman, a freshman running back, a freshman quarterback, and a sophomore defensive tackle with an ACL tear. Spielman talks s*** about Michigan on broadcasts and to other media, and frankly, I don't give a rat's patoot about his analysis of Michigan. I usually don't listen to him when he's broadcasting Michigan games. I just turn off the volume.
December 24th, 2013 at 7:41 PM ^
That is how I feel about your cute little sight. I especially love how you come to here to beg for readers to come your way.
December 24th, 2013 at 6:03 PM ^
I can't listen to Spielman, or the yes man that works play by play with him normally "Duh thats right Chris" but I am already long winded enough here. Spielman actually saying "their best play is a Qb draw" which having a talent like Gardner on the field was what made it somewhat true. We went to him everytime we got into a hole. Then you watch the Bucks play and even though they used their tailback with some success it was the same thing, when they got into a hole it was the Qb draw or the option read, just like UM to bail them out. So he lost any remaining credibility I might have been willing to give him. I think that was the Akron fiasco or the U Conn. fiasco I dont remember which. They were equally unbareable to watch but I have watched enough football to see our (UM) heads weren't in it, but it was not so much a lack of talent or quality coaching. I do though, in all fairness understand the hate mail he must recieve if he doesn't bash UM with regularity. Having been at "the Game" in the shoe talking with their fans and having some cousins that live just outside of Columbus, they are rabid.
December 25th, 2013 at 9:26 AM ^
December 25th, 2013 at 9:46 AM ^
Hoke gets a pass for first few years. Next year better not be more of the same sloppy play.
December 29th, 2013 at 11:11 AM ^
Seriously - Why does he not communicate with the booth, why does he seem to be observing - he puts the game in his staff's hands and then is out of touch during the game at critical times. I don't get his style - He is not effective. He does not see the gap adjustments from the sideline on either side of the ball. He just says things like "we need to do a better job ..."
Bill Snyder gets the most out of his team with less and he is engaged in the game and in game adjustments and ongoing planning.
Hoke doesn't make any sense. His approach has been ineffective.
Look at Ohio State. They lose one game in 24 and there is a meltdown. They ran off one coach, demoted a long time assistant, and are hiring a new DC. They manage every single play, and they were communicating and recognized the 2 pt. play at the end of The Game and communicated it.
Michigan has players. The interior lines of communication and coordination are not there.
I am not here to bitch. I am asking a serious question. Does anyone know why Coach Hoke does not wear a headset and why does he manage games as ineffectively as he has? Other coaches do not behave this way. Successful ones who keep their jobs and have solid staffs don't anyway.