Notre Dame joins ACC W/ Exception of football
http://twitter.com/PreSnapRead/statuses/245879343249780737
"RT @McMurphyESPN Notre Dame will join ACC as full member w/exception of football. ND will play 5 FB games annually v ACC, sources told @ESPN"
September 12th, 2012 at 10:50 AM ^
But it also means Michigan gets to share in the wealth of Wisconsin's Rose Bowl, MSU's Cap 1, and all the way down the line. And two years ago, when we didn't go to any bowl, we got a share of all the other bowls the Big Ten was in, so that was just profit. So it equals out some.
September 12th, 2012 at 11:38 AM ^
We did not lose money going to the Sugar Bowl. The $78,k number in the headline of the story is also misleading. The Big Ten made $4M in profit on the game and it was put into a pool that we got well over $2M from.
While ND gets millions from their TV deal, it's millions less than Purdue gets from being in the Big Ten. I think it's generally agreed that ND is willing to sacrifice revenue to keep their independence in football.
September 12th, 2012 at 11:45 AM ^
But if they go to a BCS bowl (or whatever they will be called once the playoffs begin) and get an $18 million check, they don't have to share a dime of that with a conference.I don't think this is true anymore. Under the deal they have with the BCS, they only get a portion of that amount.
September 12th, 2012 at 2:04 PM ^
can't remember the exact numbers, but nd now gets nowhwere near a full 18 million by getting a bcs bowl. its a nice number, but it no longer dominates the economics for nd.
that, in part, explains why nd started toughening up the schedule. nd can increase its revenue by getting a better tv contract, by really cashing in on neutral site games and by selling the crap. schduling patsies doesn't help with any of those things, so the prior ad's plan of weakening the schedule has been abandoned.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:17 AM ^
Stupid ACC. I always thought one of the reasons the Big East was so weak and easily raided was the partial membership of Notre Dame, as opposed to the strongest conferences (B1G, SEC) where all members are all in and all equal. Given the rumblings going on with FSU and the like, I don't really see how special treatment of ND helps strengthen the ACC.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:43 AM ^
I think the reason the Big East was so weak and easily raided was because the football sucked way more than the ACC's football did, so all the decent football teams moved to the ACC. Also, Notre Dame wasn't the cause of the partial-membership split, they just took advantage of the way the Big East already was, with half the conference playing football and half not.
I agree there are risks for the ACC in abandoning the all-in or all-out ways of the past, the way the B1G still does. But I imagine some of the supposedly unhappy schools, like FSU or Clemson, are placated a bit by access to playing ND. And I'll bet anything the ACC is gambling that partial membership will lead to football membership somewhere down the line. I strongly doubt the ACC makes this move if they think "this is the way it will be forever."
September 12th, 2012 at 10:59 AM ^
Lost in the ND news is that the ACC also raised the buyout amount to $50 million, nobody is going anywhere anytime soon
September 12th, 2012 at 11:03 AM ^
Yes, in a way this story completely buries the lead. Not only that, but it's not a fixed $50M, it's a percentage of "the operating budget" (which I assume is that of the conference) so it's only going to keep going up, and they don't even have to vote to make that happen. Slick.
September 12th, 2012 at 11:26 AM ^
Yes, in a way this story completely buries the lead
Probably because nothing signals conference strength like needing to add exorbitant exit fees to keep teams from leaving. There is a reason the B1G doesn't have exit fees, and it's probably related to why the B1G doesn't have partial members.
September 12th, 2012 at 1:35 PM ^
Not falling apart is not falling apart, no matter the mechanism.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:52 AM ^
With a school from Idaho joining the Big East, and a school from Indiana joining the Atlantic Coast Conference, they really need to rename these conferences.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:59 AM ^
But the Big Ten (with 12 teams) and Big 12 (with 10 teams) are just fine?
September 12th, 2012 at 12:49 PM ^
San Diego State also joined the Big East for football only
September 12th, 2012 at 9:55 AM ^
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September 12th, 2012 at 9:59 AM ^
Might need to add BC to that list as well.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:00 AM ^
is in the ACC.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:04 AM ^
I can't keep track anymore.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:02 AM ^
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September 12th, 2012 at 12:43 PM ^
Here's betting ND in no way wants to jettison the annual M rivalry -- often its highest rated TV game of the year. No team wants to give up such ratings, exposure, tradition, etc. And Purdue, being an in-state rival, will stay. MSU, on the other hand, could go.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:56 AM ^
Not sure which thread to post this in.. but basically
A) ND is promiscuous
B) I wonder what this does for the B1G and PAC rivalries. I'm sure they keep on USC and Stanford, but do they also have Michigan and MSU? BC works out, but I wonder if this might potentially free us up.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:00 AM ^
BYU and Pitt will probably get dropped. Also, they can play Florida State and Miami on a regular basis again.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:01 AM ^
In the ACC.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:02 AM ^
My head hurts....
September 12th, 2012 at 10:52 AM ^
They'll sleep with anyone as long as they get to be on top.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:57 AM ^
ND sports, now more irrelevant than ever.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:58 AM ^
Listen, ND. I was raised Catholic, too. Halfway in counts.
September 12th, 2012 at 9:59 AM ^
Which part of Indiana touches the Atlantic coast? Answer - just the northern tip of South Bend where their pompous noses are so far up in the air, they can justify anything.
Hey what happened to their alignment with the Big East .... hmmm.
Go Blue!
September 12th, 2012 at 10:02 AM ^
September 12th, 2012 at 10:03 AM ^
it's awkward for football; how many games do the rest of the conference play against each other--seven, eight? ND plays five but does not figure in the race, play in the championship, etc. Wonder if this implies a bit of a trial, possible later further integration, maybe when and if ND's latest TV contract runs out?
Also wonder how it impacts schools like FSU that were a minute ago pondering moving to the Big Twelve. Fans here in Tallahassee might relish a regular matchup with ND.
There's a possible superficial rightness about ND associating scholastically with the likes of Duke, BC, NC, and Virginia. . .
September 12th, 2012 at 10:06 AM ^
I like the move for both ND and the ACC. One guy's guess of what happens to their rivalries;
1) USC stays as is and they play every year
2) Stanford falls off the schedule or they play much less frequently
3) M and MSU alternate years in which they play ND
4) Purdue keeps playing them every year
I mean, they already play 4 ACC schools annually (some combo of BC, Pitt, Miami, GT, Duke, FSU, Maryland...).
September 12th, 2012 at 11:03 AM ^
I believe that spokespeople for the University have said that the games with Navy, USC, and Stanford are priority number 1 in retention
September 12th, 2012 at 12:28 PM ^
This could be what their annual schedule looks like:
5 ACC Opponents
USC
Stanford
Navy
Michigan/Michigan St./Purdue rotation
3 at large opponents
I'm guessing they keep some semblance of a rotation of their midwest rivalries, but will also want some scheduling freedom. In my opinion, it'll be refreshing to see Michigan have more opportunity to schedule other opponents. I just hope they aren't usually cupcakes.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:05 AM ^
Does anyone know how much money we make from playing ND? I would love to drop them forever. We have plenty of people to play.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:16 AM ^
We'd make more not playing them, simply due the fact we could schedule home games every year in that slot (as opposed to 50% of the time in South Bend). I'd love to see scheduling where we did something like travel once every three years. Invite out a midmajor team, then do a home and home with someone, get another midmajor to visit, another home and home with someone else, etc. So over a 6 year spread, instead of having three home and three away like w do with ND, we'd have 4 home and 2 away.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:21 AM ^
Thank you. I hope we play someone else. Let them grab their east coast exposure and west coast exposure. Let them ignore the midwest.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:12 AM ^
The move may cost the Irish some traditional opponents in football, as a Notre Dame official said that the school's top priorities in football scheduling moving forward will be to retain a West Coast presence -- games against USC and Stanford -- and the annual game with Navy. That means Notre Dame's games against some of its Midwest opponents could be in danger.
The timing of the departure is "very murky," a Notre Dame official said. The earliest Notre Dame could leave the Big East without penalty is 2015.
The Notre Dame officials said the move will align the university with more like-minded schools in markets up and down the East Coast in which Notre Dame wants to gain exposure. Notre Dame had flirted with a scheduling arrangement with the Big 12 and joining that conference in other sports, but this move appears more logical than playing games in obscure Midwest markets.
"In any short-term way there's no financial benefit," the official said. "If we wanted to do something for money we would have joined the Big Ten. What it's really about is postseason play."
The official added: "It's a really good fit academically. There are sports that we're going to play, the non-football sports are very good and they're going to test us."
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/football/ncaa/09/12/notre-dame-ac…
September 12th, 2012 at 10:21 AM ^
I read the SI article as well. What I don't get is this quote:
What it's really about is postseason play
WTF is that about? Are they eligible for the ACC championship game then?
September 12th, 2012 at 10:28 AM ^
My personal theory is that with the playoffs in the works, the Domers are getting a foot in the door. I bet they'll schedule teams in the Atlantic Division (BC is in that division and the only tough team in the Atlantic is Clemson). Then at the end of the year they can whine how they "won" the Atlantic and deserve a spot in the postseason games (be they conference championships or whatever). At the same time though the Domers get out of cross divisional play and can go do whatever the hell they want. They do love their special treatment after all.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:45 AM ^
that they play teams predominantly from one division or the other. Presumably the signed (or will sign) a contract with the entire conference. The schools in the Coastal Division will want to play Notre Dame. Like it or not, it is a marquee game that all schools would like to host, including Big Ten teams.
Which leads me to another point. MSU and Purdue are not going to dump Notre Dame from their schedule. Having an ongoing home and home with Notre Dame is a great thing for them that they would not be able to replace. No team with the status of Notre Dame would play either on a home and home basis.
September 12th, 2012 at 5:34 PM ^
Notre Dame has to play every team in the ACC once every 3 years. Teams like FSU will be home and home but not back to back years. BC will not be scheduled every year.
As far as bowl games they are now tied into the ACCs bowl list.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:31 AM ^
"If we wanted to do something for money we would have joined the Big Ten."The B1G is probably the only conference that they can't shove around.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:49 AM ^
I'm guessing that the tie up with the Big 12 didn't happen because there's only enough room for one 10 gallon hat in that conference, and it belongs to the Longhorns.
September 12th, 2012 at 4:27 PM ^
I'm pretty sure the quote about postseason play is because for any non-BCS bowl game, ND gets thrown into the ACC mix and is eligible for any ACC bowl-tie-in. So, if ND's record would be the equivalent of #3 ACC, they could go to [Insert #3 ACC Bowl Tie-in Here] Bowl. Whereas, currently, ND is only eligible for BCS bowls, Cotton Bowl, or any other low-tier bowl game that allows At-Large teams and are not directly tied to a conference.
Basically, they have access to many more bowl games after this deal than currently.
I think...
September 12th, 2012 at 10:49 AM ^
The comment section of that link is too funny.
Jmhbalt said, "ND should have stayed in Ireland. Big mistake by US immigration to let them back in the country!"
UTexas1990 wrote, "The ACC is like some bimbo that marries a star athlete. Sure, he'll cheat on me, but, he's well known and has lots of money."
September 12th, 2012 at 10:16 AM ^
Does NBC make money off of its ND football deal? Notre Dame does, no doubt. But is it a good deal for NBC?
CBSSports.com (lol) on the subject of their network rival's negotiations with Notre Dame:
I gotta believe that ND is getting close to an extension with NBC. And was in a position to sell off its other sports to another bidder. For NBC, ND fills their fall Satruday schedule in a way that they can probably work around things like FedEx Cup golf, the Ryder Cup, the Presidents Cup, etc.
But I just wonder if NBC actually makes anything out of the deal with ND.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:19 AM ^
To hell with NBC.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:20 AM ^
After Comcast bought NBC, one of their first actions was to attempt to exile specific ND games over to Versus. So Comcast doesn't appear to consider ND a priority the same way NBC did. Be interesting to see how that reflects in ND's new deal.
September 12th, 2012 at 10:23 AM ^
I think NBC made a little money on the deal. I thought some top exec's are ND alumni at NBC, is why they had the deal with ND.