Bolden & Ringer to be early enrollees - What does that do for recruiting
Article behind a paywall indicating tha Kaleb Ringer and Joe Bolden are both going to enroll early at Michigan so they can go through spring practice. If this is the case that means their scholarships don't count towards the 2012 class and we can sign two more than the Big Ten maximum of 25 guys correct? (so its 27 assuming that the scholarships are available).
September 26th, 2011 at 1:52 PM ^
September 26th, 2011 at 1:55 PM ^
IIRC Jarrod Wilson was planning on it and was on track to do so, so it would put total commits up to 28 if scholarships are available.
EDIT: Beaten to the punch further down the thread.
September 26th, 2011 at 1:58 PM ^
I guess it all depends on further attrition and granting players the 5th year. I'm not sure if we get to 28, but I think that is the max allowed by the B1G as long as we stay under 85.
Also, the Jersey Shore episode of Philly was great.
Edit: pwnd by Brian's faster typing
September 26th, 2011 at 1:54 PM ^
Yeah, Jarrod Wilson. That means Michigan can take 28 if they have the room. Since they've already got 24 slots and a couple fifth years who aren't playing much they will probably have room.
September 26th, 2011 at 2:39 PM ^
including several to walkons (I think we were at 78 or something without walkons) then we couldn't backdate any, correct?
September 26th, 2011 at 3:48 PM ^
That is not correct. The 85 total scholarships has nothing to do with backdating. The only thing that the NCAA checks when backdating is that the backdated scholarships and the scholarships from the previous recruiting class do not exceed 25. We had 20 scholarships last year, so the NCAA would allow us to backdate 5 scholarships for early enrollees. However, the Big Ten has a limit of 3 backdated scholarships per year, which puts our hard cap at 28 scholarships, with 3 of those being backdated.
September 26th, 2011 at 4:07 PM ^
Presumably, several 5th year guys will graduate in December, opening up spring spots for recruits without affecting walk-ons already on scholarship.
September 26th, 2011 at 5:32 PM ^
If a walk-on earns a scholarship, it's often with the understanding that it may be temporary. It's different than how it is for a recruited scholarship player. (This, of course, does not apply to a guy like Kovacs, who has clearly earned a scholarship for the rest of his career.)
September 26th, 2011 at 1:51 PM ^
does this change our chances with Danny O? I hope so, I'd still like to see him sign with us. You can never have too many legit d-tackles.
September 26th, 2011 at 1:53 PM ^
The coaches put the kabosh on DOB. Very unlikely he'll be signing with us.
September 26th, 2011 at 1:56 PM ^
Where did you hear this and why would they do that?
September 26th, 2011 at 2:04 PM ^
The short version is Pipkins is our future NT so we're looking for a three tech. It appears the DOB has not impressed scouts this season and some people project one of our large DE recruits will grow into a 3Tech. So we're taking Pipkins and then sprinkling miracle grow over the larger SDE recruits.
In terms of depth and the way Mattison seems to want to play it makes more sense to take 1 Tech DTs. 1 Techs are the key. Take one every year and those who can't perform as 1 Techs can move to 3 Tech or a DE can grow into it.
Also this year specifically, the team benefits more from using the remaining spots on OL, WR, and true CB than a DT who is getting lukewarm scouting reports (given that odds are Godin can be grown into the next RVB).
September 26th, 2011 at 2:07 PM ^
it doesn't explain why users keep characterizing the situation as the coaches cooling on him or putting the kabosh[sic] as turbo cool put it. I can see that he may not fit what the coaches want or need at this point, but users are painting it like something dastardly has happened or he's a bad kid.
September 26th, 2011 at 2:12 PM ^
I've just heard he looks "meh" in games which is why the coaches cooled. Nothing bad about him, just that he's struggled and doesn't look so worthy of the 4* ranking Scout gave him. Hence the cooling.
September 26th, 2011 at 3:04 PM ^
I didn't mean to imply you were degrading him or any other player. Comments make a lot more sense when they come with an explanation and not just a knee jerk reaction.
Edit: How was my original comment redundant when nobody else has made that comment on this thread? I don't care about the negging, I was just curious if I've hit a nerve or something. I put these here because I couldn't edit the original due to response.
September 26th, 2011 at 3:14 PM ^
I don't see how it was redundant at all. Maybe slightly off-topic since talking about O'Brien specifically rather than # of scholarships. However it does tie into what we have to offer remaining so I don't see why it got downvoted.
September 26th, 2011 at 6:38 PM ^
It was down voted because there are a lot of dicks on the board.
September 26th, 2011 at 7:21 PM ^
Out of the negging options, "redundant" and "overrated" are the two I suspect people feel okay using when they're negging to be dicks.
September 26th, 2011 at 2:09 PM ^
then why wouldn't they have at least allowed Schutt to visit? This team needs more than just 1 NT.
September 26th, 2011 at 2:17 PM ^
No idea on that one. The only thing I can think is the coaches fealt Schutt was just using us to get back at ND. I could see a situation where Schutt was mad at ND rejectign him and thus flipping to their rival. The issue there is Schutt isn't here because he wants to be here, he's here because he hates ND. That's the kind of kid that decommits later when he's had a chance to calm down and think things through.
Also IIRC Schutt wasnted to visit before Pipkins committed. Schutt may have been rejected to show Pipkin's we were 100% focused on him and lock him down as a commit. It may well just have been timing and not wanting to risk Pipkin's cooling when we took someone else.
September 26th, 2011 at 2:29 PM ^
Given the fact that BWC seems to be making progress, some of the SDE recruits will probably be big enough to play DT as true frosh and players like wilkins, I see how you can feel ok at the 3 tech, but tbe NT position is really scary. You pretty much have to assume that either a true frosh or a guy who isn't getting much time now is the starter and that the backup has similar experience. Another option with a DT who could play either interior spot would be hepful.
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<br>Speaking of which, it would be wonderful if anyone in the Pipkins, Goudin, Wormley, Strobel group was going to be enrolling early.
September 26th, 2011 at 5:49 PM ^
Any word if Aziz Shittu is planning on making a visit?
September 26th, 2011 at 1:52 PM ^
Jarrod Wilson, right?
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September 26th, 2011 at 2:02 PM ^
I don't see how you turn away Danny O'Brien. I don't get it.
September 26th, 2011 at 2:02 PM ^
Yeah, it seems pretty unlikely at this point that Terrence Robinson and Mike Cox would get fifth years. That gets us safely to 26, but there aren't any other clear-cut candidates for a non-renewed fifth year. As players get squeezed out of playing time as the year goes on, however, attrition is always a possibility, if not a probability.
September 26th, 2011 at 4:00 PM ^
If Terrance keeps up his "special" play as a gunner, they might want to keep him around for his 5th year. He can be our John Wendling.
September 26th, 2011 at 1:53 PM ^
sweet (i.e. I think you're right). Would be good to link the article though, even if paywalled, so the site can get their publicity (and hits from those w/ memberships)
September 26th, 2011 at 1:57 PM ^
...and so certain ninjas can include said article in Thursday Recruitin'.
September 26th, 2011 at 1:54 PM ^
Boy I'm glad I refreshed mgoboard before I posted mine.
This is what was given for free:
Michigan's 2012 recruiting class is impressive at linebacker. That group may be a little bit better come August 2012, because two of the committed players plan to enroll at Michigan in January.I think we can count the EE for last years class, but I don't think that really changes the overall numbers because 85 is the number we actually have to be concerned with. Either way I'm glad these guys want to get a head start.
September 26th, 2011 at 1:55 PM ^
The issue is the 85 limit. Early enrollees don't change that.
September 26th, 2011 at 1:55 PM ^
The issue is the 85 limit. Early enrollees don't change that.
September 26th, 2011 at 2:00 PM ^
The 85 roster limit is not a concern. Plenty of room for 28-29 new players in 2012 (considering early-enrollees and a couple RJrs graduate and don't come back)
September 26th, 2011 at 2:06 PM ^
You can't sign 29 players in the B1G.
The cap is 25 and then if you have room you can count up to 3 EE for the previous class.
September 26th, 2011 at 2:55 PM ^
You're forgetting about greyshirts, Ken.
September 26th, 2011 at 1:58 PM ^
That is awesome, i cant wait to get Joe Bolden in here! After two of his games i've seen he can be an instant contributer. He will need to bulk up a little tho.
September 26th, 2011 at 2:00 PM ^
I forgot is he being recruited to play MLB or WLB.
September 26th, 2011 at 2:03 PM ^
MIKE.
September 26th, 2011 at 2:37 PM ^
I thought his name was Joe.
September 26th, 2011 at 2:20 PM ^
I have a feeling Bolden is going to be a really good player for us.
September 26th, 2011 at 2:03 PM ^
There are a couple underclassmen who are unlikely to return next year, too, so I'm guessing this will be a full class of 28.
September 26th, 2011 at 2:06 PM ^
Any idea who might leave? Just curious.
September 26th, 2011 at 2:07 PM ^
Yes, but speculation usually gets "negged" or deleted, anyway.
September 26th, 2011 at 2:10 PM ^
You should put it on TTB.
September 26th, 2011 at 2:17 PM ^
I would love to, because it would probably get a lot of traffic...
...but I think it would be a little irresponsible.
September 26th, 2011 at 2:24 PM ^
That is true. I'm sure you don't want to be known for doing that kind of thing.
September 26th, 2011 at 7:45 PM ^
look at the freshman and non-redshirt sophomores and guess which ones might transfer for more playing time. If they were recruited by Rich Rod and they live far from Michigan I would also think that would be a factor in them leaving.
Two people I really hope don't leave are Carvin Johnson and Marvin Robinson. They provide depth at positions we don't really have any and one might turn into a pretty good nickleback. Them living so far away and not having a clear path to starting until their senior years scares me though.