Where will UM be in the BCS standings?

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Now that the games are over, we can fully discuss UM's BCS chances.

Some things went according to plan: LSU and OSU blowouts.

Somethings did not go according to plan: MSU close loss, Baylor blowout.

So where does UM project in the latest BCS standings now?  Who knows a lot about this stuff?

patrickdolan

December 4th, 2011 at 12:24 AM ^

As long as UM is in the top 14 a BCS bowl can pick 'em. It seems the consensus is that if the Sugar Bowl can, it will. Would have liked to play an undefeated Houston, though.

Frequency

December 4th, 2011 at 12:25 AM ^

Absolutely nobody on earth has any clue what will happen.  Chances of us getting to a BCS are... decent?  i think?  i dont know.  Im not smart enough to figure out any of this.  I need smarter people to explain it to me, but I don't trust them either.

CLord

December 4th, 2011 at 1:01 AM ^

we extrapolate based on facts:

1. bowls look to maximize money and tv exposure.  it is paramount.  OSU cheese last year is exhibit A.

2. while bowls do factor rankings in selecting their at large team, they factor making money more.

3. money equates to traveling fan bases and tv ratings.

4. no available at large top 14 team this year touches Michigan in re 3 above.  our only peers are ohio state, notre dame, oklahoma, texas, nebraska, usc, tennesse and penn state in terms of traveling fan bases and tv ratings, and incredibly, we are the only one of them who will be in the top 14 this year.  unbelievable.

thus, assuming lsu v bama, and given there are 4 at large berths available this year (both sugar spots, fiesta spot, orange spot), it is safe to assume we will be one of the four selections.

CLord

December 4th, 2011 at 12:26 AM ^

My random guess:

1 LSU
2 BAMA
3 OK ST
4 STANFORD
5 BOISE
6 OREGON
7 ARK
8 KSU
9 USC
10 WISC
11 BAYLOR
12 MICHIGAN
13 TCU
14 CLEMSON
15 VTECH
16 GEORGIA
17 SOUTHERN MISS
18 HOUSTON
19 OKLAHOMA
20 MSU
21 NEBRASKA
22 PSU
23 WVU
24 MISSOURI
25 FLORIDA STATE
 

lhglrkwg

December 4th, 2011 at 12:30 AM ^

Baylor all the way to #11? A find it hard to imagine that a 9-3 Baylor team would jump 6 spots and pass a 10-2 Michigan team just because they beat a very mediocre Texas team at home. I think it's more likely to see Michigan at 11 and Baylor at 12. Also unlikely that MSU falls that far. They'll probably be around 16 or 17

CLord

December 4th, 2011 at 12:40 AM ^

Can't edit, but flip MSU and Oklahoma. I think MSU outranks the Sooners by virtue of such a close game.  I think Baylor jumps us for the same reason we added games later in the season - the "what have you done for me lately" syndrome that nudges voters to vote for winners they saw win big that week more than dormant teams.

enlightenedbum

December 4th, 2011 at 12:28 AM ^

We cannot play Alabama because of the pick order.

If Okie State passes Alabama, the order is:

Sugar Bowl (replacing LSU)

Fiesta Bowl (replacing OkSU)

Fiesta Bowl (rotating first pick, they've got it this year)

Sugar Bowl

Orange Bowl

Sugar would take Alabama, obviously.  Fiesta then has the next two picks: Stanford is guaranteed a spot for finishing #4, TCU probably gets in at #16, West Virginia as the Big East winner and then basically between us and Virginia Tech, and we win that comparison.  So Fiesta takes us and Stanford because: duh.  Sugar then might take WVU over TCU, it's hard to say.

Calculus if Alabama gets the nod:

Sugar picks first to replace LSU and goes with us becuase we're rich.  Then Fiesta picks someone to play OkSU who is there for sure because of Big 12 contracts.  They take Stanford.  Then Sugar picks between WVU and TCU as before.

greymarch

December 4th, 2011 at 12:28 AM ^

 I hate to say it, but I think Michigan finishes #15 in the BCS:

- Because of the close game, MSU stays ahead of UM.

- Despite getting crushed by Ok.State, Oklahoma will stay solid in the computer polls, drop in the human polls, but still stay ahead of Michigan in the total BCS rankings.

- Baylor will pass Michigan in the BCS.  The computer polls love the Big Eight.

- Michigan will pass Houston and Georgia.

Add up all of the above, and Michigan moves up one spot, to #15.

I hope I am wrong.

AMazinBlue

December 4th, 2011 at 12:29 AM ^

Clemson dominating Va Tech will certainly move them into the top 15, maybe 14.  MSU playing very well tonight could be a huge problem.  The BCS doesn't seem to love UM so much, dropping them despite winning last week.  MSU could stay ahead of Michigan because of their head-to-head even with three losses.

Baylor shouldn't jump us, but Oklahoma may stay ahead, because they are ...well...Oklahoma.  If Oklahoma drops out, Baylor might replace them on the strength of RG III's popularity and Heisman swag.

It will be close and I think we........get 14th...or...15th.

MSU is a good team and they played well.  Although Lewis did a boneheaded thing, that was a fairly lame running into the kicker call.  I think MSU would fair batter than Wisco against Oregon, but both would get embarassed in the end.  Wisconsin will not be able to keep up with Oregon, I don't think.  Their defense will get gashed.

After watching Houston get thrashed, I wish they would have won and we could have played them.  I think we could have pounded them.  Keenum's ability to pass for so many yards and TDs had me rooting for Southwest Missouri.  If we get in, who will we get.  I think if we get in now, the opponent could be tougher than Houston.  If we get Arkansas, that might not be a good thing.

superstringer

December 4th, 2011 at 12:33 AM ^

Dropping behind us:  Virginia Tech, Oklahoma, Georgia, Sparty, Houston

Possibly leaping us:  Baylor  (i be like DANG those guys can play this year)

Personally, I'd put the Pokes in the NCG, so Bama in Sugar, UM plays Stanford in Fiesta.  (My undergrad v. my grad) (and there's no twinge of conflict in me, I bleed Maize n Blue).  But if its Bama vs the Mad Hatter, then we play TCU in Sugar.  Either way.. SUH-WEEEET!

pfholland

December 4th, 2011 at 12:34 AM ^

These teams rated above us lost:

#5 Virginia Tech (by 28)

#6 Houston (by 21)

#10 Oklahoma (by 34)

#13 Michigan State (by 3)

#14 Georgia (by 32)

These teams ranked within 6 spots of us won:

#17 Baylor (by 24 over #22 Texas)

#18 TCU (by 47 over UNLV)

#20 Clemson (by 28 over #5 Virginia Tech)

For us to make the BCS we must net 2 positions.  Of the teams ahead of us that lost there's no doubt Oklahoma and Georgia will drop behind us, and I think there's a good chance Michigan State and Houston do too.  I also don't think there's any way for TCU to jump us (UNLV is just too bad for the win to mean much).  

So even if Baylor and Clemson both jump us we're in as long as either Michigan State or Houston drop below us.  I like those odds.

exmtroj

December 4th, 2011 at 12:37 AM ^

For everyone who is just so thrilled at the possibility of a match-up with Bama in the Sugar: it isn't a good thing to think our growing team with a first-year coach would benefit from getting their teeth stomped out the back of their heads against what is probably the only team in the country (including some NFL teams) that could match up with LSU.  It would be humiliating and would probably only serve to psych Michigan out before their game next year.  It's the first year of a new coaching regime, a win in the BCS would be so much better than a royal ass crushing.

cp4three2

December 4th, 2011 at 12:56 AM ^

You realize that 80% of the colts would start on LSU right? Sure, maybe Jefferson over Painter, maybe Honey Badger plays kick returner and they have a guy or two on the line, but NFL teams are all All Conference or close to All Conference players.

Swazi

December 4th, 2011 at 12:36 AM ^

Currently:  16th

 

No. 6 Houston: Destroyed by no. 24 Southern Miss.  One loss with the rest of their joke of a schedule wll cause them to plummet down the polls.  UM will be ahead of them.

No. 10 Oklahoma: Destroyed by no. 3 Okie St.  Will they drop far enough to fall behind UM?  Unsure.

No. 13 Sparty: Lost in epic SPARTY NO fashion to No. 15 Wisconsin, should fall below UM with three losses, however, no. 15 Wisconsin will move up.

No. 14 Georgia: Destroyed by LSU (in the 2nd half anyways), will fall below UM.

Depending on how badly they shoot up Clemson for beating VT again, and what they do with Baylor, I'd pin UM at around 13, should certainly be in the top 14.

AAB

December 4th, 2011 at 1:02 AM ^

that the computers are 1/3 of the vote.  Baylor will be miles ahead of Michigan in the computer polls (and, in fact, was miles ahead even before they thumped Texas).  If they're close to Michigan in the human polls, that's probably enough for them to jump us.  

MGoBlue96

December 4th, 2011 at 12:43 AM ^

little nervous to be honest.  I think UM should pass Houston, Georgia and Oklahoma (provided the human voters drop them way down like they should). Not so sure they pass MSU and  Virginia Tech though. Both Baylor (even though they don't deserve it) and Clemson could pass UM. That is what makes me nervous, because regardless of what ends up happening it will be close.

I still think it is  joke that K-State is in front of Michigan, based on what I have seen watching a couple of their games. They basically have a slower bruising version of Denard at QB, worse skill position players than Michigan and a defense that is statistically worse than UM's by a good margin.

BlueinLansing

December 4th, 2011 at 12:45 AM ^

you couldn't play in the National Championship game if you didn't win your conference.  Michigan had its shot to beat Ohio, then it was someone else's turn.

 

This year you don't have to win your conference because the BCS is infected with SEC bias and flat out bullcrap lobbying.

Bodogblog

December 4th, 2011 at 1:04 AM ^

in debate, which is why legal doctrine is so often based on it. It does not rule arguments, but it certainly contributes to them.

Michigan was #2, lost by 3 to the #1 team in the road, and was passed over largely because 1) didn't win the conference, 2) "they had their shot".

This is very relevant to the current scenarios.

ak47

December 4th, 2011 at 12:47 AM ^

Just so you guys know the stuff used for the computers doesn't use margin of victory so the amount sparty lost by doesn't really matter, I guess it could impact the human polls but they are really gonna get hurt in the computers, close lose or blowout just doesn't impact the computers.

SF Wolverine

December 4th, 2011 at 12:51 AM ^

The savaging we have been taking b/c of the "politically correct" computer rankings (which ignore how close the game was) will now work in our favor.  Three-loss Sparty should drop, and there will be a decent number of pollsters who drop them beneath us for the same reason.

SF Wolverine

December 4th, 2011 at 12:49 AM ^

Even if the BCS does not ditch the LSA/Alabama rematch (which it should; OK State made their case today), the delta between the teams dropping and teams moving up should get us to 14.

Swazi

December 4th, 2011 at 12:49 AM ^

Why is everyone thinking we won't jump MSU?  They are a three loss team who got destroyed by two teams we beat.  Losing late is always the worst thing to happen to one's BCS dreams.

greymarch

December 4th, 2011 at 12:54 AM ^

MSU defeated UM by two scores, and MSU barely lost to Wisconsin.  MSU is well ahead of UM in both human polls.  It's unlikely MSU will drop behind UM in the human polls.

Which team is more worthy, a team that is 10-2 or a team that is 10-3 but beat the 10-2 team by two touchdowns? To many voters, that is a tough call.

Gorgeous Borges

December 4th, 2011 at 12:49 AM ^

My prediction:

1. LSU

2. Alabama

3. Oklahoma State

4. Stanford

5. Boise State

6. Arkansas

7. Oregon

8. Kansas State

9. South Carolina

10. Wisconsin

11. Baylor

12. Michigan

13. TCU

14. Clemson

15. Michigan State