What is college football anymore (and what should it be)?

Submitted by crg on

I'll try to keep this brief (but likely fail) and prefer to let the board do the talking (and if people don't want to get into a philosophical/existential discussion or a sports blog, that's fine too):

Is anyone else bothered by what college football (at the D1 level at least) is becoming?  The board is all aflutter about the Ole Miss transfers and other impending commits (which is great for the team), but it seems like people are too concerned about roster management and making the playoffs above all else (or most else).  It seems people are concerned about having "the right guys" in place and those who aren't should be given a firm handshake or feel compelled to go elsewhere for playing time.  Shouldn't college (I.e. school) sports be about doing the most with the guys that are there now - making as much improvement to their lives as possible and helping to develop a sense of camaraderie and community?  So a kid doesn't make 1st team - he shouldn't be ignored or made to feel that he needs to leave (or God forbid driven off like at some schools), but encouraged, supported and challenged to work harder and do his best.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I get the impression that it's (all major CFB) becoming all about just wins and losses and money (and "playoffs or nothing") - only concerned with immediate on field success and no longer about developing upstanding young men to do good in the world.  I don't believe UM is as far gone as other programs around the nation (including in our conference), but I see it going that way.  And in that case it just becomes NFL-lite; corporate and without any real personal connection or loyalty.

This is not against any current/former players or staff and I know that many of these guys are doing great work out there in the real world (really admire what Vincent Smith has done, just as one example). But am I the only one getting this impression?

Mods delete if this is a waste of time, or let the board neg away, but I am curious how other UM fans/alum/players/family/friends feel about this.

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

December 11th, 2017 at 6:27 PM ^

The remaining issue is that allowing players to be paid by third parties for their likeness essentially makes the Brian Bowen situation 100% OK in the eyes of the NCAA.  Should the UCF kicker be allowed to set up a YouTube channel?  Absolutely.  Should schools be allowed to facilitate autograph sessions or put a name on a jersey?  Probably. 

But should shoe companies be allowed to steer players to certain schools?  Not only no, but fuck no.  And I don't see how you make that illegal if you allow players to profit off their likeness.  Some really sharp lawyer would have to write up a set of really arcane-ass rules to make that happen.

sdogg1m

December 11th, 2017 at 5:58 PM ^

I think this solution is preferable than the University cutting a check to a player. One drawback is a players commitment to those contracts and the amount of time taken away from studies. The contracts could remove the need of getting a separate job but time constraints create a temptionation regarding study and grades. If Nike requires you to attend a photoshoot but you have to study for exams, what are you going to do? Nike is paying you and the school is not.

The best solution is for the NFL to create a semi-pro league and allow high school graduates that want to play in it to do so. No graduate that is able to be marketed and earn profit should be forced to attend a university. The NFL will never do this though because they already have a free league to evaluate talent in college football.

 

Meant to type foolhardy not full hard. Apologies. 

Tuebor

December 12th, 2017 at 1:50 PM ^

Honestly, the best players should be playing in a pro league that doesn't discriminate against players aged 18-21.  If that is a competitor the NFL or a collaborative effort with the NFL we need it.  There are too many kids who miss out on football because they aren't academically qualified so they miss out of the opportunities to get high level coaching, training, nutrition, etc.  And there are too many kids who go to college but aren't really interested in the student part of student-athlete, and they rightly shouldn't be.

Ron Utah

December 11th, 2017 at 5:42 PM ^

I believe there are ways to farily compensate--or provide the opportunity for compensation--for players.  The reality is that it's happening already, and ought to be moved out of the shadows and into the sunlight where it can be an educational opportunity.

Without too much detail: requiring courses on the business of football; establishing trust funds for the welfare of the athletes, and opening opportunities to learn how/why the "bagmen" system is actually representative of how our economy often operates.

The sport will never return to its pure, amateur format.  Time to evolve.

DrMantisToboggan

December 11th, 2017 at 5:48 PM ^

I definitely agree that there needs to be some reform in terms of the educational requirements and offerings for athletes. Special courses, lecture series on money management during and after professional life, athletes who want to be coaches/scouts should be able to study their sport in school, things like that.

sdogg1m

December 11th, 2017 at 6:03 PM ^

Realized my mistake after it was too late to correct the post. I hope infinite time to edit posts is a nice feature of the new site that will come out in 2025.

I disagree with an expanded playoff as it will add a potential four games to the season. The season already starts in July and currently does not finish until January. Powerful interests demanded an undisputed national champion but all we have created is a large mess in trying to determine one.

PopeLando

December 11th, 2017 at 5:30 PM ^

The incentive structure is in place, and you can't blame people for playing the game they're in. However, I think there's plenty of emphasis on being a good person. And I think there are plenty of fans who care about these kids as people. Don't forget that stupidity is often loud and confident, especially on the internet. Don't let the bastards get you down.

BossHawgzGoinHam

December 11th, 2017 at 5:39 PM ^

 

Not being a asshole but this is competitive sports this is not Pee Wee football where you’re guaranteed a chance to play because it's the rules. If we started telling kids to kick rocks after 1 or 2 seasons then I could see the beef for damn sure. In reality these kids are more than likely going to graduate with a great degree and be connected to a university that stretches all the way across the planet. I mean you can't beat being 4 string QB at Michigan then graduating and more than likely moving onto a very successful career after you have earned your degree. Sounds a hell of a lot better to me than flaming out in HS and working at a fast food restaurant until your 30. There are pros and cons to everything in life. The best guarantee these kids have is knowing Harbaugh is a straight up person and I believe he has too much pride to just BS you to your face. Come play for a HC that has your best interest at heart and If you don't end up the starter or contribute in a meaningful way so be it at least you have a degree that's going to take you further than your football career would have. 

Bambi

December 11th, 2017 at 5:35 PM ^

College football, football in general and sports in general can be a great way for people to grow, mature and as you say develop in to upstanding people. But that has never been the point of college football. The point has always been wins and losses. There's obviously a line to be drawn. Baylor or PSU are examples of the win at all costs mentality going too far. There are also individual cases of players getting processed out unfairly for the sole purpose of winning. There are clear injustices players have to deal with that need to be fixed. But CFB is about winning. I love when Michigan has a guy who helps his community. Guys like Myron Rolle at FSU who went to be a Rhodes Scholar are awesome "Rolle" models and the type of person everyone should strive to be. But being a Rhodes scholar doesn't put butts in the seats. A player getting a 4.0 isn't saving a coaches job. We don't pay and care so much about Michigan football to see players develop as men. We pay to see them win games. Once again, this shouldn't be and generally isn't an at all costs thing. Brady Hoke was by all means a good guy and cared about his players. He developed high character guys and helped them grow as people. But he couldn't get the job done on the field and was accordingly fired. As fans we should want good guys on our team. We want these guys to grow and have lives beyond playing football. But that's not the main point of football. That's to win. There are ways to grow as people that aren't intertwined with a hundred-million dollar industry. It's always been like this. It's a little worse now, but we've just started to notice more due to the increased media attention.

corundum

December 11th, 2017 at 5:39 PM ^

Good write up.

 

One thing it seems many are neglecting is that winning games and producing quality young men aren't two mutually exclusive startegies. You can have both, and that's why we are paying harbaugh the big dollars.

jsquigg

December 11th, 2017 at 5:38 PM ^

Ah, the myth of the purity of college football.....  Winning has been the only morality for years and paying the players wouldn't change a thing from the fan's experience.  If no one told us that the players were compensated in addition to getting a scholarship, I doubt anyone would notice if nothing else changed.  I guess everyone is happy with what has changed college football in the worst ways which is ADs and executives getting revenue from the sport.  I say pay the players, go back to a traditional/regional structure, and if you don't like the playoff go to an EPL style competitive structure.

Reader71

December 11th, 2017 at 10:42 PM ^

Problem is it’s being replaced by another myth — that there is a system that truly decides the best team and any other teams have failed. I’m all for paying players (a stipend so that everyone gets the same salary, to avoid free agency). I just think they should do away with the idea of a true champion, which is nonsense with so many teams and so few games.

Erik_in_Dayton

December 11th, 2017 at 11:07 PM ^

The current focus on the playoffs is decreasing the fun of the sport. Everyone who doesn’t make the playoff is seen as having failed, so we’ll make it eight teams and then sixteen. And then we’re not arguing over who has a legitimate claim to the title - what the BCS and then the playoff was meant to decide - and instead we’re arguing over who has the rightful claim to No. 8 or No. 16. Exciting! The pre-BCS was great. Michigan could go 9-2-1 and win the Rose Bowl, Miami could go 11-1 and win the Orange Bowl, and an SEC team could go 10-2 and win the Sugar Bowl. And then several fan bases spent the off-season basking in the glow of a triumphant year’s end. College football was understood to be mostly regional (plus consistent match-ups like Big Ten vs. Pac 10), so we didn’t have to fret over how, say, Georgia matched up with OSU. It was enough to control your area of influence. The national championship is an absurdity. I’m not optimistic about this, but I’d love to go back to implicitly acknowledging that reality.

grumbler

December 12th, 2017 at 6:11 AM ^

That's because the championship was mythical... just like the championship today.  The basis for the myth has changed, that's all.

I'd be perfectly happy if the Big Ten and the Pac Twelve got out of the championshiip business and just had their champions play in the Rose Bowl.  If someone wants to name the winner a national champion, so be it.

Reader71

December 12th, 2017 at 8:43 AM ^

You didn’t get a half-championship. You got a championship of a certain organization. Same thing you get now, except now teams with worse seasons are eligible. The BCS and playoffs were created to solve a problem that didn’t exist, and just created more problems AND work against the goal of picking the best team. Bad for the game.

NittanyFan

December 11th, 2017 at 5:39 PM ^

and that will always be a draw. 

The business side of the sport --- it is what it is.  I tend to ignore a lot of it.  I don't understand folk who are NOT directly associated with the football program placing so much importance on our favorite school's wins and losses. 

I would honestly love the sport even if my favorite school went 3-9 every year.  But I do feel I'm a minority, not the majority.

trueblueintexas

December 11th, 2017 at 6:03 PM ^

Sadly, D3 isn't really fun anymore due to a different kind of cheating. For the past 20+ years, there have basically been only two teams who have had a chance to win it all: Mount Union & Wisconsin Whitewater. What fun is that? Both of those schools chose to basically put the whole team on scholarship despite the written and unwritten rules for D3 athletics.

Zoltanrules

December 11th, 2017 at 9:47 PM ^

How can those schools get away with that? My son plays two D3 sports and my daughter a D1 club sport and those teams are what student athletes are all about. Playing for the love of the sport. No money, no big crowds, lots of team bonding and kids don't play if they don't have their school work done (and coach is okay with it). 

If you like the topic, John Feinstein wrote a book about Patriot League basketball called "The Last Amateurs" about 15 years ago. Worth a read.

I love UM football but make no pretense that I am watching the same student athletes that played the game 50 years ago.

BlueAggie

December 11th, 2017 at 5:50 PM ^

I agree!  It's an affront to the historic honor of college football to improve the team through transfers!  How dare this Yost guy bring in a transfer like Willie Heston!  Doesn't he know that Michigan wins with Michigan men!

Wait, what were we talking about?

Don

December 11th, 2017 at 10:53 PM ^

"In the summer of 1901, Heston received a letter from coach Yost advising that he had been hired as the football coach at the University of Michigan and inviting Heston to continue his education at Michigan. Heston initially declined, but subsequently agreed and joined Yost at the University of Michigan in late summer of 1901. Heston was enrolled in the law school."

Heston was 23 years old when he began his Michigan football career.

BlueAggie

December 12th, 2017 at 9:54 AM ^

Yeah, when I posted, I didn't realize that he had graduated from San Jose St and was more like a grad transfer.  My point remains, Yost would've absolutely taken the Ole Miss transfers; the 'good old days' that the OP is harkening back to never existed.

cletus318

December 11th, 2017 at 5:55 PM ^

It's always interesting how people can have this idyllic notion about the purity of college football while not batting an eye at the increasingly exorbitant salaries of coaches and administrators.

trueblueintexas

December 11th, 2017 at 6:12 PM ^

What does it matter what the coaches and administrators get paid? 

I often hear coaches and administrators saleries thrown out as justification that x,y,z should happen. I'm really interested to hear your thoughts since you brought it up. Why does Jim Harbaugh's & Warde Manuel's salary suddenly make college sports un-pure?

cletus318

December 11th, 2017 at 7:05 PM ^

P5 college coaches are paid pretty much at parity with NFL coaches, dwarfing the salaries of college presidents, despite college football teams generating far less in revenue. You can't both pay coaches professional league salaries and pretend this is amateurism. Well, I guess you can do it, since it's exactly what happens.