January 26th, 2018 at 1:31 PM ^

MSU jerked ESPN around in court related to open records and unredacted info. For a long time. I think we can count on ESPN to be pretty vindictive and unrelenting in their takedown of MSU


January 26th, 2018 at 2:58 PM ^

Both PSU and MSU covered up a pedophile, both of whom abused a large number of young people.  What is different about MSU is the pervasive culture of enabling of and indifference to sexual assault.  MSU found a way to one-up PSU.  The whole rotten mess needs to be dismantled and rebuilt from scratch.


January 26th, 2018 at 3:37 PM ^

To me, the biggest difference is PSU had an outsider allowed to have access that let him bring kids he groomed through his non-profit. Sandusky was protected before and after people knew irrefutably. With sparty, this was a staffed doctor that fell under the pervue of the Athletic Department, and involved students the University is obligated to protect through legal edict. 

The victims of either don't give a damn about severity, so we shouldn't either, in my opinion. Both are reprehensible and should never have been allowed to go on that long. Good people in the right places can keep evil at bay. Evil prevails when good people do nothing, but when good people aren't there in the first place, they invite evil into their 'home'. Now the check is on the table and it's time to pay.


January 26th, 2018 at 2:48 PM ^

I have actually heard that type of comment from several MSU people that I know. They feel like Michigan fans are coming out of the woodwork hoping that some kind of sanctions come to MSU because of sports.

I have no response to that other than "have you been paying attention?"

yossarians tree

January 26th, 2018 at 3:03 PM ^

I'll tell you who keeps coming up as a rat in these investigations--the Ingham County prosecutors office. There's even an incident reported here where the woman who said she was raped by Payne and Appling was told by the county's assistant prosecutor that they were not pursuing charges because they didn't the she, the victim, was strong enough to stand up to the scrutiny. 

But it gets better, because now that same assistant prosecutor is working as an investigator in MSU's Title IX office!

We've long suspected on this board that the cops, prosecutor, and athletic department up there were awfully chummy with one another, but this is just awful. I'll bet you'll find a lot of people from the county and the cops in the nice suites at football games.


January 26th, 2018 at 3:47 PM ^

re: Nassar Title IX report with different conclusions - one sanitized to victim and full one with damning conclusions of cover up to Nassar & superiors - the author of the report was promoted to MSU's Office of General Counsel afterward.


January 26th, 2018 at 6:31 PM ^

This is not an MSU problem - this is scarily more pervasive. MSU may be exceptionally horrible, but there are a lot of places which will let a winning athletic department with square jawed coaches who represent "the brand" get away with this (and the "Branded a Spartan" line made me icky). As long as these coaches win and say the right things, they'll sweep despicable acts under the rug and talk about how the coaches are role models. Penn St and MSU are the more monstrous examples, but I have a hard time believing it's not a lot more pervasive. We got a small taste of it at Michigan with Gibbons - thankfully the University did the rightt thing. I know that there are evil people who'll join successful programs in the future and I damn sure hope the University will continue to do the right things. And I hope for sure the AD will join them next time around.

MI Expat NY

January 26th, 2018 at 3:38 PM ^

That's so incredibly dumb.  Yes, not having Izzo there would make competing against MSU in basketball easier.  But I don't want him gone because of that.  I want him gone because seemingly the only way to make sure that every college program takes sexual assault seriously is the realization that if you don't, not even being living legend Tom f'n Izzo will save your job.  


January 26th, 2018 at 3:01 PM ^


(Not sure how to link in a tweet given that I have no Twitter) but this picture seems indicative of these respective coaches positions. Glad the university is cleaning house. Hope the next regime emphasizes institutional control and attempts to aid the victims of these travesties. Can't imagine the damage these two men have been able to circumvent while in charge (with the full support of the university no less).

Edit: Image is a tweet from MSU's barstool sports Twitter: "BREAKING NEWS: Sources close to the athletic department reporting that Izzo may retire within next few days. Dantonio soon to follow."


January 26th, 2018 at 1:23 PM ^

“Hollis resigned Friday, two days after Outside the Lines asked MSU spokesman Jason Cody and the university's sports information department for interviews with multiple MSU administrators and athletic officials, including Hollis, Izzo and Dantonio.”


January 26th, 2018 at 1:25 PM ^

Since Dantonio's tenure began in 2007, at least 16 MSU football players have been accused of sexual assault or violence against women, according to interviews and public records obtained by Outside the Lines. Even more, Dantonio was said to be involved in handling the discipline in at least one of the cases several years ago. As recently as June, Dantonio faced a crowd of reporters who were asking questions about four of his football players who had been accused of sexual assault. Six questions in, a reporter asked Dantonio how he had handled such allegations previously.

"This is new ground for us," Dantonio answered. "We've been here 11 years -- it has not happened previously."


January 26th, 2018 at 2:04 PM ^

Another quote:

"Allswede told Outside the Lines that about seven years ago, an attorney from the university's general counsel's department came to her office to try to reassure her that coaches were taking allegations of sexual violence seriously. Allswede says the attorney told her how Dantonio, the football coach, had dealt with a sexual assault accusation against one of his players: He had the player talk to his mother about what he had done."



January 26th, 2018 at 2:26 PM ^

This is so, so damning. If this is true and proven true - and to give MSU and Dantonio the benefit of the doubt, I would not be shocked if ESPN is throwing lots of shit at the wall here without a ton of evidence, so it may not be - but if true and provable, Dantonio is gone. This could end with Hollis, Dantonio AND Izzo being gone. Wow. 


January 26th, 2018 at 3:07 PM ^

These allegations aren't coming from Generic Argue Show.

They've been fighting MSU for information included in this for years; sources are public records and interviews; OTL is a legitimate investigative journalism arm that has broken huge stories regularly; ESPN if anything gives the benefit of the doubt to iconic (ugh, but true) figures like izzo because there's a huge price to getting it wrong and the very accusation will hurt the access essential to their business.


January 26th, 2018 at 1:25 PM ^

Outside the Lines also has obtained never-before-publicized reports of sexual or violent incidents involving members of Izzo's storied basketball program, including one report made against a former undergraduate student-assistant coach who was allowed to continue coaching after he had been criminally charged for punching a female MSU student in the face at a bar in 2010. A few months later, after the Spartans qualified for the 2010 Final Four, the same assistant coach was accused of sexually assaulting a different female student.


January 26th, 2018 at 1:27 PM ^

Interesting.  One of my friends (Sparty-alum) texted this AM to ask me if I heard about Enos.  He started gloating, talking about how he's going to listen to Valenti this afternoon to hear him talk about Harbaugh...It's been crickets ever since.