OT: Bucks Protest Game 5 to Protest Jacob Blake Shooting [re-LOCKED]
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29747523/bucks-not-taking-court-game-5-vs-magic
"We're tired of the killings and the injustice," Bucks guard George Hill told The Undefeated's Marc J. Spears.
Us too, George. Us too :(
[EDIT @6:10pm]: I'm taking the unusual step of locking this thread until 7:30pm. Emotions in the thread are getting way too heated with insults being tossed left and right; I'm going to remove the most offensive comments.
"DonBrownsMustache" has been banned.
I'll reopen the thread at 7:30 and then hope to keep it open for meaningful discussion.
Everybody please calm down and maybe reflect upon what led to these postponements, what led to the protests and unrest in Kenosha and elsewhere.
---rob f
[Edit #2 @ 7:20 pm]:. I'll be removing the lock shortly. I've removed 3 or 4 comments but when I did, some direct threaded replies disappeared with them. I've also edited out some insults in about a half-dozen posts. Two accounts have been banned and a couple others are on thin ice.
Let's see if we can turn this into a civil MGoBoard discussion about an important major sports development, instead of yet another session of shit-slinging, Ok? If we can't, it'll quickly get permanently locked and more heads WILL roll.
[3rd and final edit] Re-locking (or should I call it "red-locking?) this thread. It's essentially run its course, and though I wish to thank the large majority who kept the discussion civil once I reopened it @ 7:30, I don't dare risk it going off the rails overnight, and I certainly don't have time in the morning to weigh in. Also don't want to leave a mess for the other mods to deal with tomorrow.
Again, my appreciation to the many who made thoughtful contributions.
August 26th, 2020 at 8:32 PM ^
If they boycott a game that no one was going to watch anyway, does it even matter? Also if they lost their pay for the games they boycott would they still do it, I doubt it!
August 26th, 2020 at 8:58 PM ^
You're so brave.
August 26th, 2020 at 10:20 PM ^
Hey bob, we get it, you were a cop and you hate the NBA and their entitled athletes. You made your point like 5 times. Give it a rest. You probably better start working on your excuses for the law abiding citizen that was bravely defending local businesses before them damn Kenosha protestors made him open fire.
August 26th, 2020 at 9:12 PM ^
Mgoblog is a comical mess.
August 26th, 2020 at 9:14 PM ^
Not sure that a violent weapon was found.
August 26th, 2020 at 9:18 PM ^
He literally told police he had a knife
August 26th, 2020 at 9:27 PM ^
I hadn't heard that. Not saying that you are wrong, I just hadn't heard it.
August 26th, 2020 at 9:17 PM ^
Nice edit to remove all of the false statements you made
August 26th, 2020 at 9:50 PM ^
He was indeed a violent criminal. He supposedly told police he had a deadly weapon. Riots ensued. Better?
August 26th, 2020 at 9:55 PM ^
Did the cops know at the time he was a violent criminal? Who was killed by the way? You didn't address that one.
August 26th, 2020 at 10:09 PM ^
Ya know, the dead guy, Mr. Blake - the stuff this refusal to play nonsense is about.
August 26th, 2020 at 10:17 PM ^
You know Mr. Blake is not dead, right?
August 26th, 2020 at 10:52 PM ^
Oh wow, so the rioting and refusal to play is even LESS warranted. Got it.
August 26th, 2020 at 10:17 PM ^
This is how ill informed you are.... the guy isn't dead.
August 26th, 2020 at 10:56 PM ^
Lol everything else I said wasn't misinformation. They're actual facts. I just saw that some felon guy resisted arrest and got shot 7 times which is pretty par for the course in that situation. I guess I shouldn't be surprised pointless rioting is happening when death isn't even the original outcome. My b
August 26th, 2020 at 9:21 PM ^
I see a ton of criticism of the officer who shot Blake. So, what would you have done differently? You have a violent felon carrying a knife whose already assaulted you and states he's going to get a gun and reaches into his car.
Do all you critics just wait to get killed? Because that's what it sounds like.
August 26th, 2020 at 9:26 PM ^
Not only did he have a knife in his car but last time he was arrested for fighting a police officer he had a gun under the driver's seat of his car.
A subsequent search of the SUV turned up a black handgun on the floor behind the drivers seat. A box of ammunition was also found, and two loaded magazines were discovered in Blake’s coat.
https://racinecountyeye.com/police-k9-dozer-helps-subdue-man-who-pulled-gun-at-bar/
August 26th, 2020 at 9:40 PM ^
I wish all the facts would come out before all the imbeciles burn down cities. This guy was out of control.
August 26th, 2020 at 9:51 PM ^
The people of Mgoblog will call you racist for daring to post something so insensitive! Lol
August 26th, 2020 at 10:21 PM ^
According to the Wisconsin DOJ, he wasn't carrying the knife, he said it was in the car. Police found it there after shooting him. And there was no mention of a gun, and one wasn't found. That's from state law enforcement. Where are you getting this information about a gun?
August 26th, 2020 at 10:26 PM ^
How about not let him walk all the way around his car in the first place? That would be my inclination. It’s easy to play Monday morning QB, admittedly, but god damn that cop opened fire inside a car load of kids. He’s lucky there was no collateral damage.
August 26th, 2020 at 9:23 PM ^
Nobody is watching anyway but the point I want to make is that anybody, black or white, fighting with police, threaten them with violence, grabbing at their weapons..... is going to get shot.
August 26th, 2020 at 9:40 PM ^
Glad to know they support a criminal with a lengthy history with authorities. /s
August 26th, 2020 at 10:13 PM ^
Pretty much every comment you make on here is garbage. If you don’t understand the reasons these players are protesting, you’re either dumb or purposely ignorant.
August 26th, 2020 at 10:39 PM ^
I'm in agreement.
The ice beneath him is disappearing faster than the Arctic ice cover.
August 26th, 2020 at 11:14 PM ^
Or you refuse to believe the false narrative that police officers are hunting black people.
Obey the directives by the officers and your chance of getting shot go down by 99.9%.
Don't fight with police, don't try to grab their weapons, don't threaten them. This used to be common knowledge. Actually is with most of us right? Why does it not apply to certain people?
Why aren't the players saying that? Because they live in a figurative bubble. They don't know facts. It's just emotion.
Anybody acting like SOME of these folks, black or white, you WILL be shot. Race is irrelevant.
The police will need some re-training to deal with these situations but the people also need re-training...
August 26th, 2020 at 9:43 PM ^
Hmm, what to do? Read nearly 300 making pronouncements about how other people should live their lives? And most of those nearly 300 suggestions also declaring what's wrong those who disagree one's pronouncements?
Or not.
August 26th, 2020 at 9:44 PM ^
This is an unfortunate incident with blame to go around on both sides. Blake should have obeyed the cop's orders. However, even if Blake was grabbing for a gun when he opened the door, he didn't deserve 7 freaking shots in the back.
The boycotting athletes is annoying. People watch sports as a distraction, but more and more, politics is being thrown in our face during games. I guess it's just as well... the NBA, NHL and MLB are all weird to watch without an audience anyway.
August 26th, 2020 at 9:52 PM ^
I am not 100% sure what the legal standard is for excessive force. I would think that if a police officer both objectively and subjectively feels a threat to life or limb, then the use of deadly force is probably justified from a legal standpoint. If he actually was reaching for a gun in close quarters after being tased, then I think it would be a justified shooting by the cop...open and closed.
August 26th, 2020 at 9:53 PM ^
A distinction needs to be made between what he "deserved" and what the police were authorized to do.
Nobody deserves to be killed for anything other than murder, but police shootings are not about meting out justice. They are about protecting the officers and/or innocent bystanders.
August 26th, 2020 at 10:01 PM ^
It's as though you don't understand, Hannibal, that one could expect to live in a society where representatives of the justice system are authorized to do only those things that are conducive to justice. The whole point of due process is to prevent innocents from being punished. Institutions that allow the killing of people who might be innocent should be reformed or abolished.
August 26th, 2020 at 10:07 PM ^
Police also need to be able to protect themselves when it is appropriate from an objective and subjective standpoint. I think that is separate than due process--and definitely different than "punishment." If the use of force was justified, subjectively and objectively, then due process was not deprived. If it wasn't justified, then there is a due process issue.
August 26th, 2020 at 10:13 PM ^
True, but their needs to be accountability for those authorized to use force. Our current standard is far too lenient, where officers may escalate situations to the point where they are at risk, and once they are at risk are immune from anything they do next. When that escalation is disproportionately applied, we get situations that are being videoed now.
August 26th, 2020 at 10:30 PM ^
I think that the current standard is probably appropriate, but there are issues of fact in all of these situations. If you believe the cops version of facts, then the cop will be justified when the standard is applied. If you believe the arrestee's version of facts, then the cop will not be justified when the standard is applied. I think that the legal standard is in the cops favor for public policy reasons.
I think that more body cams are the only answer. Or maybe an independent 3rd party monitor that rides along with the police. However, neutrality might be tough to ensure, either way.
August 26th, 2020 at 10:01 PM ^
Yes, you are correct. A large portion of the public cannot comprehend this. I agree with Hannibal.
August 26th, 2020 at 9:49 PM ^
Goddamn good for the Buck.
It's an easy thing: STOP FUCKING SHOOTING PEOPLE GODDAMN POLICE
August 26th, 2020 at 9:49 PM ^
You know it’s weird. I worked doing roofing for a spell, which is far more dangerous than being a cop, but nobody went out of their way to lick my boots.
August 26th, 2020 at 11:12 PM ^
You should have been a roofer on the Death Star. They get more sympathy.
August 26th, 2020 at 10:33 PM ^
The NBA resumed?
August 26th, 2020 at 10:36 PM ^
Proud of all the teams sitting out tonight. I hope that continues.
August 26th, 2020 at 10:49 PM ^
Yes. Indefinitely. Permanently, even.
The unemployed bball players could train to become cops and show how it should be done, for $40K/year.
username03
August 26th, 2020 at 9:02 PM ^
That's an interesting interpretation of what I said, I would guess you know that wasn't what I meant though but why try to have a good faith conversation when you can sling shit instead.
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ajhe
August 26th, 2020 at 9:13 PM ^
I am not slinging shit. If someone thinks that the video doesn't matter in a situation like this, then they probably shouldn't serve on a jury. It defeats the 7th Amendment.
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username03
August 26th, 2020 at 9:18 PM ^
I never said the video didn't matter, you choose to interpret it that way. But of it will make you happy fine:
Dearest Ajhe, I publically and sincerely apologise for engaging in hyperbole while posting on a message board. I hope somehow you can find it in your heart to forgive me and one day I can fully atone for my sin and convince you of my worthiness to serve on a jury.
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ajhe
August 26th, 2020 at 9:23 PM ^
Apology accepted. With a little luck, maybe someday, you too, can get jury duty.
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username03
August 26th, 2020 at 9:27 PM ^
Lord I hope not. I'd semi-proudly do my duty but it sounds fucking awful.
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