OSU Redditor attempts to discredit McMurphy
https://old.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/94wx7f/facts_only_a_lawyers_deep_dive_into_brett/
Wanted to share this because it's hilarious. An OSU Redditor on r/CFB attempted to completely discredit Brett McMurphy by saying that McMurphy updating his report with accurate facts, without blatantly mentioning it, makes McMurphy's reporting inaccurate and thus means that Urban Meyer's answer during B1G Media Day wasn't technically lying
August 5th, 2018 at 10:15 PM ^
Back, and to the left!
August 5th, 2018 at 10:15 PM ^
I’ll admit that I’ve been a fool. I used to think I could make a mistake and that was that. But now I realize that I can erase my mistake if I attack the person who notices it. It’s a whole new world!
Are you L. Ron Hubbard reborn?
August 6th, 2018 at 11:24 AM ^
Semantic (pedantic?) point: a mistake is an oopsie, like completely forgetting that you were tasked with picking up a couple things for dinner (ahem). There's no malice in mistakes. Urban didn't make an oopsie. He made choices that he has to own.
August 5th, 2018 at 10:20 PM ^
As Bruce Feldman pointed out, Urban talks in absolutes. Either something is black or white.
McMurphy initially reported that Zach Smith had been arrested in 2015 for domestic violence. That was false. He updated it later to reflect there was an investigation, but no arrest.
So the way OSU and Urban will spin this is: Urban was referring to the "arrest" as "nothing there."
August 5th, 2018 at 10:29 PM ^
You waste no time. Must have CTRL-V locked and loaded to respond to anything regarding your St Urban
August 5th, 2018 at 10:35 PM ^
One doesn't respond like the way he did if he thinks in such a black and white manner.
“I can’t say it didn’t happen because I wasn’t there,” Meyer said of the 2015 allegations at Big Ten Media Days. “I was never told about anything and nothing ever came to light. I’ve never had a conversation about it. I know nothing about it. First I heard about that was last night … and I asked some people back at the office to call and say what happened, and they came back and said they know nothing about it.”
He claims he heard nothing, but then he also reported it in 2015? That's a straight up lie
August 5th, 2018 at 10:41 PM ^
That's not what he said.
Starts at 0:38.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ev0uN0cuYg
Dude, he said he lied. Not sure there is any spin regarding his statement. Quit defending a guy that everyone outside his homer fanbase realizes he is a D-Bag and a win at all cost coach.
I cannot find this quote. Do you have a link?
August 5th, 2018 at 10:36 PM ^
It won't be as simple as that, there's texts and pictures of her bruises. There's texts from Shelley Meyer saying she's afraid of Zach and questioning if Courtney had gotten a restraining order yet. There's texts from Zach admitting he abused her. There's the 20 min. Interview of her explaining the whole situation how she was pressured not to press charges, and a portion of the interview was about a conversation she had with Shelley Meyer and Shelley said "you Know I'm going to have to tell Urban, right?".
I know you are grasping at straws to feel better about your team, but this thing isn't going away that easy.
August 5th, 2018 at 10:47 PM ^
Urban has admitted he knew about the incidents in 2015 and "reported it through the proper channels"
If he's telling the truth, he's safe. If not, he's probably fired.
And the fact Zach Smith met with Gene Smith about this, I'd say it's pretty likely Urban told someone.
Seems pretty clear cut to me.
August 5th, 2018 at 11:10 PM ^
It's ok, you can admit that you're more nervous than a hooker at a baptism.
That's exactly why you've been glued to a rivals board during this mess that your coaches created.
August 5th, 2018 at 11:56 PM ^
Hey buddy here’s one no one has said yet. If he heard nothing, how did he also report it the same year? Oh go JABLOME!!!
You lie, and pretty badly. This post directly conflicts with your post four lines above. Which is it?
August 5th, 2018 at 10:47 PM ^
heywood, earlier this evening mabel had a great comment to you: if you are so concerned about title IX and women's issues, maybe you could change your trash name. any answer to that, or is your defense as contradictory as the name you use with it?
August 5th, 2018 at 10:49 PM ^
I don't give a shit about title IX. And I don't like the current political climate we're in where every man is assumed guilty before the facts are in.
August 5th, 2018 at 11:23 PM ^
You're a sassy one.
August 5th, 2018 at 11:25 PM ^
how do you expect anyone to take you seriously on this or any issue when you have a foolish, sophomoric, misogynistic name, and you make desperate arguments against reason?
and 'guilty' is a bit strong - he definitely lied, and lied 9x about an important topic, one that had been so important just two days before that he fired the abuser. he has a history of bad actors in his program. if you don't believe, see the post yesterday in the diaries by arb lover, the one about external data and discipline. your program is dirty, very dirty, and sold its soul to the devil. congrats on that deal with satan, in the long run it never works out. satan always gets his price....
Well said. One day, EM, I'm going to figure out how to buy you a beer.
whenever i'm in town i always look for that convertible miata. glad to meet at a local place, though with football basically starting this week for me and my 4 oldest sons, its going to be hard to find time many nights. lets plan on it one way or the other, even if its after the kids' season.
August 7th, 2018 at 10:34 AM ^
Deal!
That works. My son is starting Pop Warner and my daughter Volleyball so the kids season might be a bit busy for me as well, but it would be fun to do afterward! I'll have to see a way to get you a non mgoblog contact. :-)
which team is son on?
maybe meet at sledders if that is close to your work/route home.
August 5th, 2018 at 11:44 PM ^
Yeah, but you're guilty and so is your coach and your morally bankrupt program.
Reminds me of when I clerked for a Judge. Guy was being arraigned on a PPO violation. (Wife was the respondent) Judge advised that he change his shirt for the hearing. Shirt read "All stressed out and no one to choke". You're get what I'm saying here? You think nothing about "Heywood jablome". Kind of shows your respect level toward women. And now you are saying "every man is assumed guilty". No they aren't.
August 6th, 2018 at 11:45 AM ^
I think you said the quiet part loud there.
August 5th, 2018 at 11:41 PM ^
It wasn’t false, from what I can see. The initial police report from 2015 said Zach Smith was arrested.
The Powell PD then said there were no reports. After Murphy showed there was, suddenly they found the report. Only now, there was an alteration. It no longer said Smith was arrested. The Powell PD acknowledged changing it. They said the original report was “inconsistent with what originally occurred.”
Makes sense, right? “Who are you gonna believe? Us or your own lyin’ eyes?”
So anyone who says Smith wasn’t arrested therefore Urban didn’t lie is full of shit. At the time he lied, Urban could only have possibly known of the original report which said he was arrested and not the revised report issued after he lied.
Or i suppose fans could argue there’s no evidence Urban saw the initial report. Which would mean he was aware of Smith getting the cops called on a domestic violence incident and he opted not to view the police report.
August 6th, 2018 at 10:06 AM ^
"As Bruce Feldman pointed out, Urban talks in absolutes. Either something is black or white."
Not sure if you realize what that means.
If that's true. "TREAT WOMEN WITH RESPECT" is either true, or it's complete BS.
"Nothing there/never heard about it," etc. are either absolutely true in all sense of the words, or they are lies. Because he knows damn well what those words mean, what the questions are, and what the real issues are. For a sanctimonious football coach who talks about and pretends to care about character, Urban Meyer is talking like a sleazebag lawyer trying to get himself and those in his "circle of trust" off on technicalities.
August 6th, 2018 at 10:19 AM ^
"Urban talks in absolutes."
So he's a Sith.
August 6th, 2018 at 11:25 AM ^
Talks in absolutes, Urban does. Maybe he's a short, ancient Jedi with pointy ears?
August 6th, 2018 at 10:33 AM ^
Lesmerises: The 2015 reported incident - are you saying that you don't know anything about that, or do you believe that that didn't happen?
Urban: I can't say it didn't happen, because I wasn't there. I was never told about anything, never anything came to light, I never had a conversation about it, so I know nothing about that.
L: So anything about that did not factor into your decision -
U: No.
L: Because -
U: First I heard about that was last night.
August 5th, 2018 at 10:21 PM ^
Sounds like a good opportunity to farm downvotes over there.
August 5th, 2018 at 10:29 PM ^
News from OSU. They expect the investigation to be completed in 14 days. Sounds like enough time to negotiate a buyout.
August 5th, 2018 at 10:34 PM ^
Buyout talk is nonsense. Either Urban is fired for cause or they're keeping him.
You're nuts if you think OSU will pay him even $10-20m (of the $40m he's owed) to not coach.
August 5th, 2018 at 10:53 PM ^
Maybe they know they won't have to pay the buyout but they'll negotiate in good faith with Urban because of his accomplishments. Plus they know if they fire him outright Columbus will burn.
August 5th, 2018 at 11:03 PM ^
lol, yeah. Because major institutions are in the business of handing out 10s of millions of dollars.
Like I said, either they find a way to fire him for cause, or he's not getting fired.
If they do try to fire him for cause, I'm sure he'll sue and then they'll probably settle down the line. But they're not working on a buyout in the next 2 weeks, I can guarantee you that.
"If they do try to fire him for cause, I'm sure he'll sue and then they'll probably settle down the line."
And this is better for OSU than reaching a buyout agreement how?
The threat of firing for cause strengthens their position in negotiations, but firing for cause can be very expensive. You can never be certain how litigation will turn out as OSU learned with Jim O'Brien. You can never be sure of what bad PR will arise from it either. At the very least, dragging the process out is a distraction for OSU and their football program. There are various, unknown costs. It's irresponsible to head down that road without considering a buyout, even if you have a strong case for firing for cause.
San Diego State recently spent $11 million to fire their women's BB coach for cause. $4 million was for the settlement, the rest was their costs. How much was left on her contract when she was fired? Less than $1 million.
Yeah, that's exactly what OSU would want is this to creep back up at a later date with UM suing them for firing him.
Tell that to Rick Pitino. It didn't even take 14 days for that fiasco/termination/buyout to come to fruition at Louisville.
August 5th, 2018 at 10:40 PM ^
Right. I mean, 14 days should be long enough for a decent enough investigation. But it would make a poor story that they actually investigated. I think the 'resignation' is on its way, if that is true.
August 5th, 2018 at 10:46 PM ^
I'm thinking they have a clear idea of Urban's fate, now they're looking to do clean up in the football staff.
August 5th, 2018 at 10:35 PM ^
Speaking of Brett, he’s reporting OSU says the investigation will be completed within 14 days :
https://twitter.com/brett_mcmurphy/status/1026290500796645376?s=21
edit: oops, I see Sione beat me to it above
August 5th, 2018 at 10:49 PM ^
I didn't know McMurphy had covered the announcement.
August 5th, 2018 at 10:36 PM ^
Then why did Meyers admit that what he said was wrong?
August 5th, 2018 at 10:40 PM ^
Not just wrong, a "failure."
August 5th, 2018 at 10:58 PM ^
Which is funny when you consider according media reports the Powell PD wasn't releasing the files from 2015.
August 6th, 2018 at 12:51 AM ^
The Twitter statement by Meyer was a bad move. He admitted to lying while also driving a bus over many of the other staff/AD. In doing so, he is stating that he is working at an institution that enables/ protects domestic violence offenders. Why would anyone knowingly do that?
Faux Pelini sums it up nicely.
Even though Meyer admitted he lied...