NFL Combine Day 2 discussion thread
As a reminder, here is the list of all Michigan players invited to the combine.
Day 1 of the combine is in the books with DL and LB having worked out.
Michigan's invitees were Kris Jenkins (results) and Junior Colson (did not work out).
Day 2 sees the DB and TE groups work out starting at 3pm ET. Michigan has the following players participating:
- Mike Sainristil
- Josh Wallace
- AJ Barner
A little late posting this, so results as of now:
Sainristil:
- 4.47s 40 (10th fastest time)
- 1.51s 10yd split (5th fastest time)
- 40" vert (4th best)
- 10'11" broad jump (4th best)
Wallace:
- 34.5" vertical (3rd lowest)
- 10'0" broad jump (4th shortest)
No results for TE yet.
Other random observations:
- Wow, Nate Wiggins is FAST, dropping a 4.29s 40
- Max Melton (Rutgers) and Daequan Hardy (PSU) tied with 4.39s
- Kalen King (PSU) ran a 4.61 - oof... His broad jump and vertical were also below average. Not very impressive.
- Melton seems pretty athletic though and tested well. Top broad jump (11'4") overall so far.
- Sainristil's average 40 and an above average 10 yd split suggests that he accelerates quickly, but lacks a top end. By contrast, Wiggins had the fastest 40, but well below average 10 yd split of 1.59 (second slowest split);.
EDIT: looks like Kris Jenkins had 29 reps on the bench, which is tied for third best (Jordan Jefferson has 34 and Jared Verse had 31).
Sainristil had the 2nd fastest shuttle at 4.01s. Really nice time! 5th fastest 3 cone time at 6.99. He's having himself a good combine.
Does not even being 5'10 hurt Sainristil?
Hi, yes
Not really as he'll primarily play nickel and you're covering smaller, quicker receivers in the slot.
If Mikey were 3 inches taller, he'd be a 1st round lock. While his height might not hurt his future production all that much, it absolutely hurts his draft stock.
It is a pretty narrow curve if 5 inches roughly separates 4th best vertical with 3rd lowest vertical; 11" or roughly 1 foot from 4th best from 4ths shortest broad jump.
Does it really make a difference? I know that some will point out a small difference can mean a tipped ball, pass break up and such, but it seems that being a smart determined player and being in position to make the tip, and pass break is as important.
Sainristil:
- 4.47s 40 (10th fastest time)
- 1.51s 10yd split (5th fastest time)
- 40" vert (4th best)
- 10'11" broad jump (4th best)
Wallace:
- 34.5" vertical (3rd lowest)
- 10'0" broad jump (4th shortest)
In NFL I would imagine every inch can count. Without basis who would you pick the guy who can jump 5in less? You can probably fit a football in that space alone. What you are saying can work out in college but in NFL technique alone cannot make it otherwise lot of Michigan player would have been successful since we have had players being great at college but not so much in NFL. When you are investing millions, every detail counts in my opinion
That’s not just in the NFL.
What if that Bama player on the Wilson catch was able to jump 5 inches higher.
Wouldn’t have made a bit of difference since he was BEHIND Wilson!
Um I'm talking about the the lb that tipped the ball to begin with
And thus you have summed up both how hard it is to win in the NFL and how hard it is to make it in the first place.
When you have the top 0.3% of all athletes in the sport/world, inches or less can make all the difference.
Sainristil made himself some money. That tape with a better than expected 40 and an overall good to great workout. It funny this time of year when the draft people go nuts over some dude running the fastest and his tape is garbage. Tyquan Thornton ran like a 4.25 at 6-3 and sucks.
Jordan Lewis ran 4.55 and starts at nick for the Boys.
I just read that Wiggins hurt himself at the Combine after running (hip flexor) and ended his workout there.
Player Interview Rankings:
Sainristil: 1st
Everyone Else: 2nd Place or Lower
/FIFY
JJ, Blake, Michael Barrett
the whole OL
We've got some huge interview-impact guys...
ooooo that boy polished
Ahem...that's President Sainristil to you. Just a matter of time.
Sainristil had a strong day. He needed to run a sub 4.5 and did. He also had a very good gauntlet drill.
Nate Wiggins ran a 4.28 in the 40. He heard a pop in his hip and groin area. He was seen with an ice pack on his leg; his weekend ended early.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39630803/jj-mccarthy-tout-michigan-wins-nfl-draft-interviews
"You know, like, stats for me aren't really the big thing, and all I really cared about was being the best teammate I could be and being the best quarterback I could possibly be," McCarthy said Friday at the NFL scouting combine. "And the only stat I cared about was W's, and we did pretty good in that category."
all about the Dubs
I'm going to miss him so much.
Flexin'. Like asking Donovan about his OSU TD runs in 2022 or Championship game runs this year...which one?
Why do people still give clicks to ESPN? Same story from FoxSports
Totally random - the fastest safety at the combine is a kid named Dadrion Taylor-Demerson. Brings back memories of Daydrion Taylor and that crazy hit.
Saw that and immediately went down the internet rabbit hole, but near as I can tell, no relation to our Daydrion
While watching a clip of Mike Sainristil speaking with the press at the combine I wondered if he had more yards in interception returns this past year than receiving yards in any prior year. He was close: 232 yards and 2 TDs on 6 interceptions this year; 305 yards and 2 TDs on 21 receptions in 2021.
I have no doubt he would have gotten better and increased his stats if he had stayed at receiver, but he clearly he made the right decision switching to D.
Anybody that makes an all-time Michigan team has to have Sainristil at nickleback. Pure legend.
I have a friend who negotiates player contracts for the Broncos. He won't say who is in what position on the Broncos' board, but he did offer up that JJ is impressive. I forget the term he used, but it relates to the off-the-field aspects of a player's leadership, character, background, etc. It's not surprising, but good to hear that the league is very high on JJ's character (at least the Broncos).
And in case you're wondering, he laughed at the notion that a player's lack of college stats makes much difference in player evaluation (i.e., the idea that a QB's draft stock could be diminished by playing in a run-heavy scheme). The scouts are smart enough to evaluate players in the context of the scheme/team/league/competition, etc.
And in case you're wondering, he laughed at the notion that a player's lack of college stats makes much difference in player evaluation (i.e., the idea that a QB's draft stock could be diminished by playing in a run-heavy scheme). The scouts are smart enough to evaluate players in the context of the scheme/team/league/competition, etc.
Thanks for that. It would be news to some readers here (and maybe some dim player evaluators).
The problem is we don't hear what the NFL scouts are thinking. All we hear are the dipshit opinions of talking heads like Mel Kiper Jr. and Todd McShay, neither of whom ever coached or scouted football players.
I'd imagine the draft boards of teams is rather different than what the pundits think. Outside of maybe "can't miss" prospects.
Sainristil is redefining what it means to 'jump out of the gym'—or in this case, the Lucas Oil Stadium.
Cannot want enough good fortune to smile on these young men and the coaches and staff that brought a National Championship after so many years that it had been looking doubtful.
The embodiment of Team and character displayed provided sharp contrast to the pitiful, naysaying, exposed detractors bleatings. Now we know who to never give credence to and who became lore.
How do you thank these folks enough other than well wishes and vast network support in their future endeavors.
If you combine Mikey's season performance with his combine results I would say he has put himself in the late first round conversation. if your thinking what about his size does that matter? Sure it does but there's more than one way to skin a cat. Think of the play in the end zone on the Stover catch. They threw over the top of Mike and he still made the play by knocking the ball out after the catch. The kid just has it. Somebody's going to get a hell of a ball player.
Antoine Winfield sr. says Hi. Identical size.
Darryl Green would say hi but he comes running by on my left.
Honestly Wallace’s “bad” numbers make his season even more impressive to me. He was still able to cover all those future NFL receivers using smarts and positioning.
Sainristil had himself a day... that's nice to see. And then you see him on tape, and he's so good at making plays that you know he's going to pick up defenses quickly. I think he can be a big success in the NFL.