Meta: Shitpost Avoidance

Submitted by Swayze Howell Sheen on December 31st, 2020 at 9:52 AM

Science shows that every other thread on this board is titled poorly or has some other basic shit wrong with it, which leads to about thirty replies not about the topic itself but about board norms and other matters of etiquette. 

A suggestion to the powers that be: PUT THE (UNWRITTEN) RULES OF POSTING ON THE POST CREATION PAGE.

For example, by "Subject", put a short note about how to write a good subject.

By "Body", put a note about how to create content (how to add links, etc.).

Finally, I realize the irony in creating a shitty post about shitty posts. For this, my apologies.

Happy new year!

dgloader1963

December 31st, 2020 at 9:55 AM ^

Who gets to determine if it is a shitpost? If you dont like the post or disagree with opinion of post does it make it a shitpost? Confused on who gets to determine that. You?

LSAClassOf2000

December 31st, 2020 at 10:12 AM ^

She helps determine this clearly. I mean, look at my avatar and you can tell:

In all seriousness though, if I thought people would read a Style Guide, I would write it and I am sure the other mods would agree perhaps, but people generally don't even read the Mod Sticky enough to take sufficient warning from those who have walked down the path which they might be walking down as they type. 

matty blue

December 31st, 2020 at 11:20 AM ^

oh, ffs.  it’s about writing a non-shit post title with readable content, not about the content itself.

i mean, seriously.  “big monetary loss in bowl game” is about...kyle trask playing like shit? and “crypto currency” is about... some nfl player getting his paycheck in crypto?

nobody is saying those posts shouldn’t exist, but a useful post title is really not too much to ask.

Blue in St Lou

December 31st, 2020 at 1:28 PM ^

Thank you. I was too busy to read either of those posts when they went up, and now that I have a few minutes, I don't have to. I saw Trask in that game and (1) was able to form my own opinion and (2) don't think anyone else needs to see it because they also probably saw him and, as a member of this blog, are smart enough to form their own educated opinion ... or not. 

befuggled

December 31st, 2020 at 1:15 PM ^

I think it's more that the board does not have a lot of patience for terrible posts. What makes for shit content is the execution. 

If you're going to post about how Jim Harbaugh is looking at a job in the NFL, you're gonna get a bad response if you title the post "Harbaugh" and use some no-name bullshitter on twitter with 113 followers as your source.

However, if you title your post "Harbaugh is looking at the Lions per source with a decent track record" you're going to be a much better response. 

(And no, I have no idea if Harbaugh is looking at the Lions or not. It's a completely hypothetical example, and at this point I would be surprised if Harbaugh went to the NFL after this season.)

theintegral

December 31st, 2020 at 10:10 AM ^

Comments not on topic are dropped to the bottom.  At least for the first 15-20 comments.

Posts that use the word "shit" because the author knows no specific nouns are unacceptable.

 

Blue Vet

December 31st, 2020 at 10:15 AM ^

If every other post is flawed, I see two options:

1) Focus on the flawed posts and spend your time explaining why they're wrong and you're right,

OR

2) Skip the posts that are flawed, and devote your energy to only the best and brightest.

 

 

M-GO-Beek

December 31st, 2020 at 10:23 AM ^

Not sure why this post is getting shit on like it is.  The OP didn't call out any specific posts (IE- is not claiming to be the one and only arbiter of shit-posts) and offered a reasonable, general solution in an attempt to reduce bad posts. Why is this a problem? OP even labeled it "META."

Markley Mojo

December 31st, 2020 at 10:35 AM ^

I actually agree that a short reminder about titles by the Subject on the post form is a good idea. It’s the most visible thing, and even people skipping over it have to see it.

But you don’t want too much content on the form, because people definitely won’t read it. Many won’t even read the short, specific note. But it might make a marginal improvement. If there were enough traffic and interest, A-B testing could see if a brief note improves titles or increases/reduces people’s likelihood to post.

Don’t forget that adding text could clutter the posting experience on mobile. 

BroadneckBlue21

December 31st, 2020 at 10:23 AM ^

As a writing professor, a majority of students suck at writing titles for their papers. Even when we go over title writing ad nauseam, they still lack the understanding of basic rhetoric. Here, perhaps it is because people are in a rush, like students, to get their content out before someone else does (due date v. "first" dibs).

As a writer with editor friends, and as a former editor, even other writers have some shit titles they try to submit for publication. 

I admire the complaints. Yet, we're strapped in a small hamster wheel.

Happy New Year to all.

WolverBean

December 31st, 2020 at 12:36 PM ^

Well there's your problem right there: the majority of students are not a writing professor!

Sorry, had to tweak you there for using incorrect grammar while complaining about incorrect grammar.

(To demystify: the opening phrase "As a writing professor" properly refers to the first subject following the phrase, to wit "a majority of students." This rule is broken so often in both spoken and written English that I doubt many people ever learned it in the first place. As the odd engineer who somehow ended up in a John Rubadeau course, I am lucky to have been shown the errors of my own ways; I am now happy to pay it forward in the form of obnoxious message board pedantry. #TheMichiganDifference)

WolverBean

December 31st, 2020 at 2:22 PM ^

Ask and ye shall receive! Strunk and White, The Elements of Style, page 13:

7. A participial phrase at the beginning of a sentence must refer to the grammatical subject.

Walking slowly down the road, he saw a woman accompanied by two children.

The word walking refers to the subject of the sentence, not to the woman. If the writer wishes to make it refer to the woman, he must recast the sentence:

He saw a woman accompanied by two children, walking slowly down the road.

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/37134/37134-h/37134-h.htm#Rule_7