JH and UM agree to suspension / case closed
November 16th, 2023 at 3:46 PM ^
So is this case closed? Or does this mean an endless vindictive water boarding still from the NCAA?
November 16th, 2023 at 3:51 PM ^
This is just a settlement between Michigan, Harbaugh, and the Big Ten. The NCAA was not a party to the litigation.
Frankly, I don't understand why Michigan and Harbaugh settled, as the only perceived benefit is that the Conference is not pursuing the matter further.
November 16th, 2023 at 4:00 PM ^
UM settled because the B1G sportsmanship policy is so poorly written that P retains essentially unlimited punishment power. All he needs is the JGEC (Joint Group Executive Committee) to approve the proposed punishment, and the JGEC has rubber stamped P's proposal once already.
There was very real risk that JH could have been further punished and/or UM financially sanctioned with little or no recourse available to UM outside the courts. This settlement took that risk away.
Next steps for UM are to get the sportsmanship policy written very tightly to limit the commissioner's power and then exact retribution against the cabal of conspirators.
I hate this had to come down this way, but I understand. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
November 16th, 2023 at 4:12 PM ^
I was afraid UofMs legals arguments wouldnt end up working. I just wish theyd gotten it back down to 2 games. Looks like we just caved in exchange for the Big Ten saying theyd stop
November 16th, 2023 at 4:19 PM ^
I think you're right. Not getting the TRO last week gave a strong indication that Michigan might not get an injunction after tomorrow's hearing either. Combine that with not knowing when the court will decide either way, the coaches would have to prepare two different scenarios for the Maryland and OSU games (with Harbaugh and without) which I'm sure has an impact on stuff like backfilling Moore as the OL coach.
I also suspect that Michigan made this decision a couple of days ago when they realized they might not win, and it's only coming out now because it would be obvious tomorrow when the hearing got cancelled.
November 16th, 2023 at 4:44 PM ^
There was very real risk that JH could have been further punished and/or UM financially sanctioned
How? The Big didn’t do any independent investigation, any NCAA punishment is still coming. I’m sure the BIG “closing” its nonexistent investigation doesn’t supersede any new information that may come out. It was a game of chicken and we blinked, simple as that.
November 16th, 2023 at 5:58 PM ^
Almost seems like there's some other factor(s) at play here that we don't know about.
November 16th, 2023 at 5:17 PM ^
Next steps for UM are to get the sportsmanship policy written very tightly to limit the commissioner's power and then exact retribution against the cabal of conspirators.Next steps for UM are to get the sportsmanship policy written very tightly to limit the commissioner's power and then exact retribution against the cabal of conspirators.
No I want that thing so fucking open ended so when the asshole commissioner looks at ANY OTHER team in the B10 they can face the same bullshit. Or can be called out for doing NOTHING when he has every power in his hand along with his 4 henchmen. Forget about narrowing it.
Did I read correctly that PSU has TWO of the FOUR people on JGEC
Why is a JGEC only represented by 3 schools?
November 16th, 2023 at 5:32 PM ^
The only membership I've found for the JGEC was in a Big Ten handbook from '17-'18 that IU had posted for some reason. That year, it was 2 from PSU, 1 from OSU, and 1 from Northwestern. I haven't seen it confirmed anywhere what the current make up of the board is.
November 16th, 2023 at 5:29 PM ^
Nothing seems to get corrected in college football unless it's right after Michigan got fucked by it.
November 16th, 2023 at 5:51 PM ^
Yes but this was always the case. Why put up such a strong fight to begin with to only walk away with our tails behind our legs now? I think there is some information that the public is not yet aware of
November 16th, 2023 at 6:16 PM ^
”Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.“
Says the guy arguing for us to exact retribution.
Jesus. What have we become?
November 16th, 2023 at 4:00 PM ^
Double the anger, double the post.
November 16th, 2023 at 4:03 PM ^
When a Sherrone Moore-coached Michigan crushes OSU (think 4+ scores), it will not only humiliate OSU but also anyone and everyone who argued that Michigan's success has had anything to do with the alleged advanced scouting.
OSU will absolutely play in fear of this, and Michigan will play with determination, focus, and fury—which will both contribute to this actually coming about.
Whatever else went into this decision, I have to believe that these considerations also played a part.
November 16th, 2023 at 4:04 PM ^
The only downside to the above scenario is that we might inadvertently get Ryan Day fired. And none of us wants to see that.
November 16th, 2023 at 4:10 PM ^
It will really suck if OSU wins this game with no Harbaugh on the sidelines.
November 16th, 2023 at 4:10 PM ^
It will really suck if OSU wins this game with no Harbaugh on the sidelines.
November 16th, 2023 at 4:12 PM ^
I know we have a loaded team but I think not having Harbaugh on the sideline really hurts Michigan against OSU. Whether we like it, or not, Day is a top coach in college football. Him being able to go in and coach against a guy with two games as a head coach is a huge advantage.
One of two things is going to happen. Michigan loses the game and we are clearly devastated over having our chances at a national championship blown by burgers and some idiot with a cell phone OR somehow Michigan still wins and Day is fired.
November 16th, 2023 at 6:03 PM ^
I wont say its an advantage per say, but I think this keeps the team pissed off, and pisses off the fans even more. 2021 may have been the most hostile crowd I've ever seen in Michigan Stadium, and I think this year just might top it.
November 16th, 2023 at 5:18 PM ^
It will be interesting to see how the fanbase responds next week. Will they be loud and angry or shocked?
November 16th, 2023 at 5:18 PM ^
This makes no sense.
There were lots of good lawyers rendering opinions including writing an Amicus brief with a lot of our signatures on it.
I sure hope that Michigan didn't withhold information that would have changed minds to say nothing about writing the Amicus brief which was no small undertaking. The verification of hundreds of alumni alone who were signatories in support of the brief was a big job.
Based on the statements that Manuel and Ono made, I have to think something new must have come to the forefront. If the University decided to rely on precedent and fall on its sword, they will have pissed off a lot of alumni who are questioning the reasons behind what has transpired.
November 16th, 2023 at 3:47 PM ^
Wow, it's like Schlissel is still here. SOM.
November 16th, 2023 at 3:55 PM ^
Or stay with me the President doesn’t matter as much as people want him to in these matters
November 16th, 2023 at 4:10 PM ^
This news just makes me more confident in my recent decision to be constantly drunk all the time.
November 16th, 2023 at 4:10 PM ^
This news just makes me more confident in my recent decision to be constantly drunk all the time.
November 16th, 2023 at 4:52 PM ^
Double post checks out.
November 16th, 2023 at 4:12 PM ^
Maybe there is more to this? UM announces this today and JH sits out MD game this weekend. Drama dies down. Then BIG 10 announces Sunday/Monday that due to cooperation from UM they have reduced the suspension to 2 games and he's back on the sideline for OSU. May be a negotiated face saving tactic they both agreed to? Who knows.
November 16th, 2023 at 4:21 PM ^
I don't think even Tony P is that dumb, but maybe!
November 16th, 2023 at 4:29 PM ^
WTF^WTF.
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November 16th, 2023 at 4:48 PM ^
See ya.
November 16th, 2023 at 4:54 PM ^
get a grip man
November 16th, 2023 at 3:26 PM ^
The fuck?
November 16th, 2023 at 3:27 PM ^
This makes no sense.
November 16th, 2023 at 3:33 PM ^
New evidence was uncovered per the insiders. Still no evidence of Harbaugh involvement but we could lose another staffer.
November 16th, 2023 at 3:34 PM ^
Can you elaborate more?
November 16th, 2023 at 3:41 PM ^
I shared everything that I saw. Balas wont tell who the staff member is but it's not clink or minter.
November 16th, 2023 at 3:47 PM ^
Oh, this from Balas? Forget it then - not buying what he's selling.
November 16th, 2023 at 3:37 PM ^
Clinkscale?
November 16th, 2023 at 3:39 PM ^
Yeah, reading between the lines it seems like the NCAA/B1G have evidence that someone else was involved in the operation with Stalions.
Sidenote, Coach Clink’s twitter account was taken down today.
November 16th, 2023 at 4:03 PM ^
Why would the conference want to pull out of the investigation if there was more (worse) evidence though?
November 16th, 2023 at 4:23 PM ^
It was taken down like three days ago actually.
November 16th, 2023 at 3:38 PM ^
So in the WakeyLeaks and Baylor cases the NCAA didn't care in the least, but when it comes to Connor Stalions' escapades, anyone involved must be fired immediately?
November 16th, 2023 at 3:44 PM ^
Had to have been Jaybaugh for Harbaugh to fall on his sword.
November 16th, 2023 at 4:21 PM ^
Only makes sense if BIG threatened to make Michigan inelligible for the Big Ten Championship game. Obviously beating OSU without your head coach is more difficult, but if the title game was on the table it may be better to cut your loses and put all your efforts into preparing for that game knowing who is and is not available.
Obviously all speculation.
November 16th, 2023 at 3:27 PM ^
Ummm...That wasn't on my bingo card.
November 16th, 2023 at 3:27 PM ^
Hmm.. why